New Orleans Pelicans Free Agency and Rumors Thread


July 16th

Jason Smith has reportedly signed a 1 year 3.3 million dollar deal to join the Knicks. At the time of his departure, Smith was the longest tenured Pelicans player, appearing in 199 games over the past four season. His absence leaves Eric Gordon as the Pelicans player who has been on the roster the longest. Smith was seemingly the face of the franchise for much of the past two years, and he will be missed.

 

July 8th, 1:30 PM

A little interesting nugget came out of today’s Summer League practice, which was opened to the media for the first time.

 

As Fletcher astutely notes, Luke’s absence can potentially mean that a trade is coming. If you remember, Babbitt was with the team, working out, just a few weeks ago. But now, even though he is on the Summer League roster, he was nowhere to be found today. Why is this important? Well, like Melvin Ely, Babbitt has a non-guaranteed contract, which means that the Pelicans can trade him to make a deal work cap wise, but then the other team can just cut him without having to pay him anything or without him going on their books.

Him not being there makes a trade more likely in my opinion, because if the plan was just to decline the team option, we could have signed him right back up for the minimum, and actually given him a raise in doing so. Remember when we had to release Lance Thomas during summer league last year, then we picked him right back up? Could have done the same thing with Babbitt. However, if you trade a player, you can’t sign them again until the following year. So this is why I think it is far more likely that he is part of a trade. Also, the fact that Jeff Withey was there is an indicator as well, because if the Pels were just planning on waiving all holds and non guaranteed contracts, Withey would likely have to go as well.

So, how would it work? Well, Babbitt and Ely count for about $2.3 million (again, non-guaranteed) meaning that the Pelicans would have to attach about $3.3 million to facilitate a trade that would fall within the CBA’s 150% + 100K rule. If they can, say, work on a trade that sends Rivers and Ajinca elsewhere and Babbitt and Ely to Houston, they would preserve Bird Rights on all their players and keep their MLE and BAE. They could also use Bird Rights on their own free agents and do the same thing (which is the ideal scenario). For example, they can send Roberts and Smith to Detroit, and as long as their first year salary is $3.3 mil or more combined, they keep Bird Rights on everyone else and their MLE, BAE, etc.

A final option could be to work out a sign and trade with Morrow using cap room, as he seems to be the Pelicans free agent garnering the most interest. In this scenario, they would have to renounce Bird Rights to everyone and lose their MLE, but they keep Rivers and Ajinca, while also getting the room exception ($2.8 million) to go after a small forward. Still several options here for Dell, but reading the tea leaves, I would expect a trade that facilitates this Asik deal. The only question is whether it will involve Rivers or one of our own free agents.

 

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July 3rd, 9:30 AM

Bourbon Street Shots has learned that Dell Demps has explored some options that will allow him to complete the trade for Omer Asik while keeping his core in place. Immediately after the Asik trade was announced, I wrote this piece about how Dell would have to trade either Gordon, Rivers, or Anderson to make the deal work financially, but Dell might be trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat by doing the deal another way. It could happen if he does the following:

1. Have Houston take the Pelicans non-guaranteed contracts (Ely, Babbitt, and Withey) – this might already be an agreed upon part of the trade. The Rockets could use these as an asset or just release them to create cap room.

2. Sign and trade one of our own free agents to a third team. For the deal to work cap wise, the Pelicans would have to send out a player whose salary starts at $2.4 million or more next year (and if it is $3.2 million, they can keep Withey, $3.4 million for Babbitt)

So, we have heard that the Grizzlies might have some interest in Roberts, the Mavericks might have some interest in Aminu, and several teams have interest in Morrow. Now, Aminu and Roberts (and even Smith) can be signed and traded using Bird Rights, meaning that we can keep our MLE. Morrow, however, would likely have to be signed using part or all of our MLE because we do not have Bird Rights on him. (Edit: To do a S&T with Morrow, the Pels would have to sign him into cap room, which would make them lose their MLE, but would allow the to use the Room Exception) Would it be worth losing our MLE to keep Rivers and Withey? Before you answer yes, remember that we still desperately need a SF. A couple of other small things to keep in mind here – Both parties (the other team and our free agent) have to agree to the deal and that makes this option more difficult than upon first glance.

First of all, you have to give out either 3 or 4 year contracts to guys that you sign and trade. You can’t sign and trade Smith on a 1 year deal, for instance.  Now, it can be a three year deal with only the first year guaranteed, but that is where the player might object. And the other tough thing with going this route is: Why would that third team help us out? They aren’t going to just do us a favor for nothing. And Dell doesn’t have picks to sweeten the deal. But maybe that cash from Houston can be rerouted. That’s an idea. Also, you could see teams without cap room but with trade exceptions being interested in this route.

There are several teams that can absorb our players using a trade exception, so be on the lookout for that. Morrow seems the most likely candidate here, though as I said before, that would cause us to lose our MLE. The Pelicans would be stacked in the front court and the backcourt, but would have a gaping hole at SF, with only the biannual and Bird Rights to Aminu, Smith, and Roberts left to fix it. It is an interesting option for Dell though nonetheless. __________________________________________________________________________ Update July 2nd, 7:30 PM    

We have heard two names now: Jameer Nelson and Troy Daniels. The thing that they have in common is that they are guards who are best suited off the bench that can shoot. Are they possible replacements for Morrow or Rivers? Stay tuned.

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Update July 1st, 9:30 PM

  These tweets are in reference to the tweets Alex Kennedy sent out earlier today. Let me tell you how this happens. A desperate reporter with little to no track record (Kennedy) is so desperate to break something that he believes everything he hears and tweets it a thousand times. Other teams give him this info, knowing he will put it out, to try to make the Pels seem desperate. The Pels then call someone like Kyler, pissed – see this tweet – and tell him the truth. So, long story short, expect Rivers or Gordon. Same place we were days ago. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________   Update July 1st, 7:00 PM

 

After seeing what Jodie Meeks got on the open market (3 yrs/ $19.5), the Pelicans might be assuming that Anthony Morrow is gone. If gone, Daniels could be a nice shooter at a fraction of the price.

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Update, July 1st 9:09 AM

A front office source with another team has told me that the Lakers are shopping Steve Nash hard and are willing to take back deals with more than 1 year remaining. Currently, Steve Nash has 1 year and $9.7 remaining on his deal. So, could the Lakers look towards New Orleans? Eric Gordon is working out in LA, loves the city, and would be a decent fit next to Kobe if healthy. From the Pelicans side, this trade would help them facilitate the Asik deal and/or could really help them get into either this free agent market or next year’s. Let’s take a look at what some options would be if a Nash for Gordon trade gets done.

Option 1: Make it a three-teamer with Houston where we also get Asik and the Rockets get the pick. This would allow us to keep all our Bird Rights, MLE, BAE, etc. Then, hold onto Nash as an expiring trade chip or just let him expire and go into the 2015 Free Agent class with the Core Four, Asik, and 15-20 mil in cap room.

 

Option 2: Add Ely, Ajinca, and Babbitt to the deal and you get a big enough trade exception to just absorb Asik’s deal with a trade exception. This puts you right back where you started this summer with all your Bird Rights and th option to use cap room or your MLE.

 

Option 3: Do Gordon for Nash and have another trade with Rivers that lets you make the Asik deal using the 150% rule (would have to add Ely, Babbitt, etc.). Then, you work on a buyout with Nash and stretch him. If you do this, you can instantly get to about $18 mil under the cap right away. Now you go after Parsons or Hayward or Ariza or Deng. Heck, make a pitch to Lebron! Okay, let’s slow down a bit, but you get my point. You can even just sit there and wait on teams to dump salaries to create more space for those big guys or to avoid the lux tax.

The Core 4 and Asik plus $18 mil to spend – not bad, huh?

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Update, July 1st 8:00 AM

The first night of Free Agency has passed and nothing to report on the Pelicans front. Alex Kennedy, who is never right about the Pelicans, tweeted about Andray Blatche telling people that he thinks he can end up in New Orleans, while a Boston Celtics fan, who is a web designer and runs a little blog, tweeted about the Celtics being interested in Rivers. Due to the desire to just want to consume any bit of information, this got some fans into a frenzy, but there is nothing to see here yet. If Woj or Stein reports something, then we should listen (and discuss), but for right now all is quiet.

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Free Agency starts tonight, and just as we did last year, we will keep you up to date on all the latest rumors and rumblings and have instant analysis once anything breaks.

To hold you over, here is a look at the trades that are most likely to happen over the next few days. And you can listen to the podcast as well if you haven’t already.

What are you hoping for over these next few days and what do you think will actually happen?


89 responses to “New Orleans Pelicans Free Agency and Rumors Thread”

  1. xman20002000 JannyMeza not necessarily.  His contract is enormous and just stops our flexibility.  I know I’m over his comments….it’s about winning and I just don’t think he has what we need.

  2. xman20002000 JannyMeza his raw stats are average, his advanced stats are bad, his splits are terrible, he is an absolute negative defensively, he makes 15 million a year and has played about 100 games in three seasons.  I think there are plenty of reasons to trade him – and he isn’t close to being our 2nd 3rd or 4th best player.  Those guys actually play in games.

  3. xman20002000 DavidLeBoeuf You can’t deny that, last year, when starting, Tyreke was the better player.  That in itself makes Gordon expendable.

  4. xman20002000 DavidLeBoeuf JannyMeza
    He got all that money because DD made a big ole fat MISTAKE.  He has been a mistake from the jump.  He’s been a mistake that DD has been trying to correct for a year and a half now.  
    Perhaps I have season tickets and watched just about every game for the past 4 years.  Perhaps I see him miss layup after layup in transition, play terrible help defense, etc.  Perhaps I know he is grossly overpaid and will never be on this team when it turns into a winner.
    After all the games he missed, if Eric Gordon was a race horse he would have been put down already.  He’s been STEALING money from this team.  A guy w/ a ton of talent and ability but a crappy attitude and a brittle body.  The best ability is avail-ability:  and he’s never available.

  5. DavidLeBoeuf xman20002000 JannyMeza I’m extremely baffled that there are Pels fans that still want Gordon on this team. Lol at this point I’d trade him for a daiquiri and a bowl of gumbo.. wait.. Gordon is definitely worth less than that smh

  6. xman20002000 Gordon our best player? who’s your dealer man because you’re high just saying that.

  7. Gordon in his first year with the Pels he played 9 of 82 games,2012-13 season 42 of 82 games and this past season 64 of 82 games it’s time to move him.

  8. DavidLeBoeuf  An super healthy Gordon in a perfect world would be one of the best SG’s in the NBA

  9. xman20002000 Like Demps and many others thought they were getting an healthy Gordon after his first knee surgery well them grapes turned sour and now they’ve to trade him.

  10. Is there a real possibility that the Lakers would pursue a Gordon/Nash trade? How would this benefit them?

  11. ChancelorBoudreaux If they miss out on their big name targets (extremely likely), the next plan is for them to target guys who can contribute right away on 1 or 2 yr contracts. The question is whether other teams are willing to dump players better than Gordon into that space.

  12. Lebron2Pels2014 LaNative I’ll agree.  He appears so off-putting.  I think he’s naturally somewhat shy but no more than Leonards of the Spurs and even he can manage to feel genuine.  I’m just saying.  He’s a chemical imbalance with our other players.

  13. LaNative  The word is out of place I’ve not seen an player that strange since Ricky Williams.

  14. Michael McNamara ChancelorBoudreaux if Nash retires and a buyout Anyone but Aminu at SF this team got it made.

  15. xman20002000 his efficiency numbers are terrible.  Go look at the numbers.  The least efficient number:  47%.  That’s the percentage of number of games he’s actually played.

  16. Lebron2Pels2014 Michael McNamara ChancelorBoudreaux Nash already said he isn’t retiring.  IF he’s open to playing for us, I think he would be great off the bench running the 2nd unit w/ Ryno, as well as stealing so minutes at the 2.  He’s still a knockdown shooter.  If not, stretching him or using his expiring deal at the deadline could also work.

  17. If the Lakers are shopping Steve Nash, I gotta wonder if they think they won’t get more than 20-25 games out of him this season.  Because otherwise, why not keep him and get that open cap space either next summer or use him to get a bigger chip come trade deadline time?

    But if they’re willing to make a Nash for EG swap, I can’t see why you don’t do it if you’re Dell.  Frees up space, frees up the starting SG spot for Tyreke and gives you all sorts of options in terms of the roster — not just allowing him to keep Bird rights and the exemptions, but in how you handle Nash.

  18. IM BOUT TO BRING UP A OLD NAME BUT IT SEEM LIKE EVERYONE LOST FAITH IN HOW BOUT WE GO GET OTTO PORTER FROM DA WIZARDS I HEARD AT SOME POINT DA WIZARDS WAS TRYING TO TRADE HIM AND I FEEL HE IS BETTER THAN BARNES BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY PLAYS DEFENSE Y NOT

  19. DavidLeBoeuf Lebron2Pels2014 Michael McNamara ChancelorBoudreaux The NBA version of Brett Farve in NOLA

  20. If the Nash deal is on the table, Dell should grab it….A future hall of famer on this team would be priceless. ..

  21. If Asik trade has hit a snag well I can see Monroe for Anderson swap,Gordon for Nash, trading Rivers and Signings of Blanche,SF and re-signings of Morrow.
    C Monroe-Withey-Ajenca
    PF Davis-Blanche-Young
    SF ? Babbit
    SG Evans-Morrow
    PG Holiday-Nash-Smith

  22. I agree that Gordon right now is an albatross but in today’s game good three point shooters are valued, and if someone else handles the ball EG could help a contending team. That would leave the Lakers out but might fit someone else. Asik will really fit in although I think AD can play center this year. If Rivers goes cheaply there might be a lot of regret as he played well at the end. Let’s face it: Demps really has no idea how to build a team but AD can cover a multitude of mistakes.
    If OKC gets the right f.a. piece they will be the favorite next year. We should know soon.

  23. cocorner all gms are entitle to one mistake damn i hate ppl hating on demps he put alot talent on da roster and lets not forget we all wanted eric gordon to come back when demps signed him of course his production greatly dropped but demps have done a good job and  he put talent on the court what more are u asking from him we are a small market team so before u say demps have no idea how to build a team  under the situations and restrictions was placed wit this team when he joined stfu and get off the watever u  is taking before u claim u can do better BTW  OKC IS ALREADY A FAVORITE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MVP NAMELY KEVIN DURANT ON THEIR SQUAD SO CHILL OUT EVERY YR DEMPS PUT A BIG PIECE ON OUR ROSTER I REALLY DO HOPE PPL GROW A BRAIN AND RESPECT THE WORK HE PUT OUT FOR US

  24. Heres the trade that could go down NO-DET-POR
    Pels Get Nic Batum
    Pistions Get Ryan Anderson and/or Gordon
    Blazers get Greg Monroe

  25. I don’t like none of the trades only trade i would like is and parsons trade i like jeff the rookie from last year and yeah u can trade gordon but keep rivers

  26. Twitter is an f’in mess!!! Does Alex Kennedy have any credibility at all?! He looks like he’s about 12 in his pic but acts like he’s got sources out the wazoo???
    And if ej wasn’t enough, where are all these reke haters coming from?? Clearly none of them saw second half of pel season (admittedly he started extremely slow, and training camp injury had him little out of shape and out of step with teammates), doing it all and great chemistry w ad?

  27. Houpgarou Have you noticed we haven’t put one of his tweets up here?
    That should tell you everything

  28. The truth is surely somewhere in between. Clearly he has not performed close to a level that befits the salary he earns but he’s not exactly the worthless cancer he’s being cast as. The oft echoed calls to trade him have snowballed to the point that his name has become a bad word.
    Yes he’s brittle, but before throwing around games played stats, let’s not ignore the context: when we aquired him we were in the midst of a Philly style two year tank. We did NOT want him on the court. His suit resembled those of okafor, ariza, kaman, jsmith, etc. who were all on the bench right next to him!!! (Strangely they not only let farouq play out the whole year but he often had the ball at the beginning AND end of many many possessions) Trading for an injured ej allowed us to get the brow, for that he deserves a little respect.
    Though his condition was undoubtedly exaggerated over the course of the two year tank, there was a knee injury, and it does in fact take time to regain your explosiveness after one of those. Even last year, he’s clearly not all the way back. That is not his fault, unless you accuse him of dogging it in the offseason, a claim I haven’t heard.
    We all saw the games last year and while he did not play like a 20 M wing like Rudy gay or joe Johnson ( sorry bad examples), he shot well spaced the floor and attacked the rim despite a total lack of respect from the refs and fans alike. Defensively, he did not live up to our expectations, but who did? The whole teams stats are filthy( even our saviour) on that end so it’s not quite fair to single him out, though clearly his stats and the eye test were disappointing, he wasn’t exactly a sieve.
    We’re all entitled to our opinions on the man, and he didn’t win us over with the heart in Phoenix shit ( 22 year olds do tend to have lapses in judgement) or his bitchiness about moving to 6th man ( hey at least he still believes in himself that much’), but let’s have a grain or two of fairness when we judge.

  29. Say McNamara? What sources do you guys trust other than Wojo, Stein, Spears, and Aldridge?

  30. xman20002000 For a guy who like Gordon you must really like wasted goods and you want Granger HELL NO!!!!

  31. xman20002000 Lebron2Pels2014 We’re not the Bulls and Gordon has been injury prone since high school.You still living on this hope train with Gordon believe me the guy is a joke and is better off somewhere else.

  32. xman20002000 Houpgarou Jimmy aint no receiver and if he thinks he’s getting receiver money well goodbye Jimmy after this season.

  33. Pelicans not getting rid of Austin Rivers….lol
    would of happen long time ago
    so stop wishing in trying to make the Asik deal make sense
    scratch him off list…
    theres an interview where Monty explains Rivers going with him for the Usa practices and working with him on The Pelican official website.. Plus Anthony Davis is best friends with him

    Anderson is just a shooter, nothing more nothing less…if maybe we signed shooters or allowed this team to attempt more 3point shooting 
    His value wouldn’t be so noticed
    swap him for Greg Mon
    and get to the playoffs for once

    we had anderson for two years now

    he hasn’t made much a difference to this roster but shoot 3’s and have a few couple good games and play no defense

    Peja 2.0

  34. Some people on this fan base can be a joke I want Gordon & Rivers to stay two mediocre players that don’t fit here. Gordon is a strange guy is better off somewhere else and Rivers a total bust and at this point in his career an journeyman like his dear old dad. Gordon & Rivers will hold this team back from any progress. So some of you nuts can be on the Gordon & Rivers train but I got off long ago.

  35. Zed84 Houpgarou absolutely not.  If they were willing and able to take on Gordon’s contract, why wouldnt they just offer Lance a max?

  36. Lebron2Pels2014 polofr3sh
    How is he overrated? did he make the rookie/Soph allstar game? Is
    anyone talking about him? He is unknown 2 be considered even rated lol
    and Monty Williams doesn’t develop players 
    he is the reason why we had to watch Cp3 do it all by himself with no help, which was sad and painful to watch
    i mean Mo pete was the starting 2 ~_~
    our past team (Cp3 era) consist of signing veterans and never drafting young talent to develop them 
    why we been the same Team we are now 
    Fast-foward
    2014 and we still trading away future picks and signing 2nd round picks
    with not upside that only have that see what u get talent like Brian
    Roberts.

    The obvious#

    Rivers is a better shooter than Evans and a better defender than Gordon
    Younger than both
    and has been improving
    Evans is the same slasher no jumpshooting guard since he’s been drafted
    what has improved from his game? how many years has he been in the league now? and

    Gordon is injury prone with a weird personality
    a straight weirdo who has no interest in improving this team , why he thinks he’s is a starter and won’t accept a bench role

    i rather a cheaper younger Rivers thats improving than a overpaid know what your getting guard

  37. Not true, just throwing out idea. Salaries close to match if we take Copeland back while swapping them dirt cheap Copeland clone Babbitt. Indy always wanted Paul George to play 3 so could use a 2, need someone who can put ball in hoop, and of course eg is an indy homeboy.

  38. Lebron2Pels2014 polofr3sh
    How is he overrated? did he make the rookie/Soph allstar game? Is
    anyone talking about him? He is unknown 2 be considered even rated lol
    and Monty Williams doesn’t develop players 
    he is the reason why we had to watch Cp3 do it all by himself with no help, which was sad and painful to watch
    i mean Mo pete was the starting 2 ~_~
    our past team (Cp3 era) consist of signing veterans and never drafting young talent to develop them 
    why we been the same Team we are now 
    Fast-foward
    2014 and we still trading away future picks and signing 2nd round picks
    with no upside that only have that see what u get talent like Brian
    Roberts.

    The obvious#

    Rivers is a better shooter than Evans and a better defender than Gordon
    Younger than both
    and has been improving
    Evans is the same slasher no jumpshooting guard since he’s been drafted
    what has improved from his game? how many years has he been in the league now? and

    Gordon is injury prone with a weird personality
    a straight weirdo who has no interest in improving this team , while he thinks he’s a starter and won’t accept a bench role

    i rather a cheaper younger Rivers thats improving than a overpaid know what your getting guard

  39. polofr3sh Lebron2Pels2014 Rivers was not in none of those all star games he is overrated because a player like Rivers have basketball bloodlines doesn’t mean he’s going to be a great player his father wasn’t he was journeyman. So stop with the Rivers is the real deal talk because no one is going to agree with you.

  40. Golden State says no to Klay Thompson in trade, but still want Love.
    Minny wants Kevin Martin attached to any deal.

  41. ChancelorBoudreaux I think Nash would be easier to get rid of than Gordon.  That would be a trade up for us allowing more flexibility.
    No way Lakers land Bron OR Melo, so this is good for both partys.

  42. xman20002000 Granger is done.  He’s had nothing for the past few years.  The injuries really took it out of him.

  43. bucklezzzman What are you talking about? Xman is on his rant about keeping Gordon I mean the guy logic is insane.

  44. polofr3sh Lebron2Pels2014 Love how Rivers has come along in his 2nd year, but I’d still rather have Tyreke.  When he has spacing, nobody can stop him from getting to the basket or getting fouled.

  45. That def seems like a scenario we could insert ourselves into, gordon and Barnes being the compromise when they realize they can’t get klay. W’s take back martin w love and we take draymond and spare parts like shved, brewer, barea, whatever that allow them to shed needed salary to make it happen and let us take back a little less than ej salary to make room for Omer

  46. Let us all hope that LeBron re-signs with the Heat and Mello with the Bulls or re-sign with the Kicks tomorrow so the rest of NBA can move on.

  47. Re: 7/3 morning update.
    I wonder if question is Morrow and Aminu for about x+$1M or Tucker for x? Maybe Morrow as a long term piece and Aminu as a short term piece better than overpaying to get Tucker?
    And get staring SF by summer 2015. Morrow and Aminu split most of SF minutes until then.
    If Gordon goes, or team setting up for that, Roberts on 2nd team and as free throw shooting closer not a bad piece at around vet minimum.

  48. xman20002000 I know you’re starting an Keep Gordon fan club and since you’re the only member it must be fun those keychain giveaways and I bet your membership cards give fans 10% off at any McDonalds in Phoenix lol.

  49. This is the dullest beginning to free agency I’ve ever seen. And not just related to the Pelicans, but the entire NBA. Nothing seems to be going on. I guess everyone’s waiting on the big free agents to find a team before the frenzy he will begin.

  50. Lets see Babbit will be traded WOW!! come back with better info than this like a move that’s worth wild.

  51. As much as I love Rivers, I feel like I’d rather have the MLE and other exceptions because at this point in our roster building, we have so many guards already that he becomes somewhat of a luxury.  With Jrue, Tyreke, and Gordon already on the roster, there aren’t too many minutes left.  So keeping Rivers (who would be receiving minimal minutes that can be filled by B-Rob/Russ) at the expense of upgrading the SF position is not the best decision IMO.

  52. Alonzo Gee is just a chip to make the Asik trade work. He will be released after the trade is completed……

  53. Ok so just read that we may be hitting Omri Casspi!!! He has been a favorite of mine from his sacramento days!!! I couldn’t understand why byron scott wouldn’t play him when he went to Cleveland!!! I don’t want to get anyones hopes up but he could def. battle for a starting spot at sf… he’s a shooter. Probably another liability on d! But still can space the floor for the starting 5!!!

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