The New Orleans Pelicans Options Heading Into Free Agency

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Published: June 27, 2014

The announcement of Asik being traded to the Pelicans was exciting, but somewhat limited on Wednesday night, as it was really just the first step of a series of moves that is set to take place masquerading as a singular move in a vacuum. The fact of the matter is, that as currently constructed, the trade of Asik for a future 1st round pick can not be done. The Pelicans simply do not have the cap space to absorb Omer Asik’s salary, so another move has to come first or in conjunction with the Asik move to make it legal.

If the Pelicans were to renounce the rights to all their free agents and team options on players, they would have just under $7 million in cap room, which is a problem because Asik is scheduled to make just under $8.4 million next year. Even if they were to dump Alexis Ajinca, they would still fall close to a million dollars short of the number. So that leaves us with a simple truth: At least one of the main guys (Davis, Anderson, Evans, Holiday, Rivers, and Gordon) will have to be moved or waived in order to bring in Asik.

There is no way around it. There is no magic that Mickey Loomis can help Dell Demps pull off, because this isn’t the NFL. Here, contracts are almost always fully guaranteed. Instead, Dell is going to have to make something happen with one of his six pieces. Process of elimination tells you that Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday are off the table, and Tyreke Evans likely is as well. That leaves us three guys (and four options).

Lets take a look at what the options are.

Trading Austin Rivers

How It Would Work: Moving Austin Rivers and declining Bird Rights on our free agents, as well as the team options on Luke Babbitt and Melvin Ely would allow the New Orleans Pelicans to absorb Asik’s contract into our cap space, as long as we did not take any salary back in the process. The downside of doing this, however, is that Dell Demps would lose his right to use the MLE ($5.3 mil) and his right to use the Bi-Annual Exception ($2.1) . He would be left with just the Room Exception ($2.8).

However, there is an alternative here, as Dell Demps can look for a way to make the Asik deal a three team deal that sends Austin Rivers, Melvin Ely, Alexis Ajinca, and Luke Babbitt to that third team. If Dell is able to do this, then he can maintain his Bird Rights on guys like Aminu, Roberts, Smith, and Miller while also giving him the right to use the MLE and Bi-Annual (but not the Room Exception)

Pros: If Dell can do the second form of the trade (the three-team deal), then he would still have multiple avenues to add one or multiple small forwards. He would also be able to go over the cap to bring back Aminu or Smith as back ups, which is probably a better role for them anyway. Same goes for Roberts or even Miller.

Cons: Losing Austin Rivers hurts, as you could see the signs of him just about to turn a corner. The loss of Ajinca doesn’t hurt as much because Asik is coming in, but Babbitt would have been nice to have as Ryno insurance. But then again, the third team can just decline Babbitt’s option and perhaps he can wind up back here eventually.

Trading Ryan Anderson

How It Would Work: In the eyes of the league, the deal could work as a three-teamer where Asik comes to New Orleans, Anderson goes to a third team, and that third team also sends players to New Orleans. If it is just Anderson heading out, then the Pelicans would be able to take about $4.3 million back in salary (in addition to Asik) in order to still be able to retain Bird Rights for their free agents as well as the MLE and BAE. But again, Dell could attach “fake” contracts to that (Babbitt and Ely) and get that number up to close to $8 million. Throw in Ajinca, and we are close to $9.5 million. Add Rivers and we are up to close to $14 million. So, you are looking at anyone from Gerald Green to a signed and traded Trevor Ariza, Gordon Hayward, Chandler Parsons, or PJ Tucker to a trade for Jeff Green or Thaddeus Young.

Pros: If you are looking at all the options that get you’re the most value in return, this is it. If done properly, Dell can walk out of a Ryan Anderson trade with Asik and a starting small forward, plus he keeps Rivers. Then, he can re-sign Aminu or Smith to give him some backup PF minutes and/or use the MLE to target a guy similar to Ryno like Channing Frye. This option also opens the need for a shooter and could entice Dell to bring Anthony Morrow back.

Cons: A three-headed monster of Ryan Anderson, Anthony Davis, and Omer Asik is impossible not to get excited about. You can split the 96 minutes up amongst those guys and guarantee that you always have two very good to elite big men on the court. Plus, with Omer Asik’s poor FT shooting, it was likely that Anderson would have finished games, and now it is likely that Asik will have to finish them next to AD instead. If you can’t replace Anderson with another stretch four this summer, then it limits your potential for spacing as well.

Trading Eric Gordon

How It Would Work: Again, the Pelicans could submit the trade so that it appeared as a three-teamer, or because Gordon’s salary is so big, they could just do two individual trades if they get little to nothing back from the team accepting Gordon. That would be the ideal, in fact. If the Pelicans could trade Gordon and take $6.6 million or less back, they would get a trade exception large enough to absorb Omer Asik’s contract without sending anything else out (but the pick). This would then leave the Pels with the option of using cap room, Bird Rights, MLE, BAE, etc.

Or, if the Pelicans want to just create enough cap room to absorb Asik, they can release rights to all free agents like in the Austin Rivers example and trade Gordon while taking back between 12.5 and 13.5 mil in salary (would depend on number of players coming back because of cap holds, etc. So, I can’t give an exact number). Doing this would allow the Pelicans to absorb Asik’s salary into cap space, but again would force them to lose the MLE and BAE (while retaining the Room Exception).

Pros: Um… Eric Gordon is gone. We can start there. And if it is the first option where trading him opens up a trade exception that can be used to absorb Asik, then we should all take bow down to Dell Demps. I almost hate to throw this scenario out there because it is too good to be true, but it has to be what Dell is looking for. Maybe he can trade Gordon, Ely, and Babbitt or Gordon and Rivers for OJ Mayo. If he did that, he would get an exception large enough to absorb Asik. Then, he could still have tons of options to add a SF while also being able to retain Morrow if he just sees Mayo as a guy he will look to move at the next possible chance like I would.

And the other option is not terrible either. You lose Gordon (addition by subtraction) and get 12-13 million dollars in, theoretically, somewhat useful players or trade chips, and get Asik too. You keep Ryno and Rivers and have the Room Exception and/or said trade chips to try to get a small forward.

Cons: The player coming back in the trade for Gordon can be even worse (Mayo or Gerald Wallace, for instance). But even then, their salary number is smaller. Sorry, hard for me to list a con when the topic is trading Eric Gordon.

Stretching Eric Gordon

How It Would Work: For over 3000 words on this, you can read a two-part article I did here. To make it as simple as possible, the Pelicans can waive Eric Gordon and stretch his remaining salary over the next five years. This would cut, at minimum, 9 million dollars off this years’ cap and allow them to absorb Asik’s contract while also giving them options with cap room, Bird Rights, the MLE, and BAE. And that is the minimum we would shed by going this route.

The Pelicans can work out a buyout with Gordon that can reduce his $30 million dollar cost and on top of that, when Gordon signs with another team, some additional money will come off the cap. Basically, a little less that half of what Gordon signs for will come off of whatever we owe him. And the less we owe him, the less dead money we have on our cap the next few years. Realistically, the dead money could be as low as $2.5 million per year and as high as $5.5 million each and every year over the next five years.

Pros: Again, Eric Gordon would be gone. And in this case, a ton of cap room could potentially open up as Dell would immediately clear between 9.5 and 12.5 million of the books not only this year, but next year as well. They would be able to absorb Asik and maybe still get to as far as 9 to 10 million under the cap if they wanted to pursue a Luol Deng or a Trevor Ariza. How excited would you have been if I would have told you 3 days ago that Gordon and a 2015 pick would be going out and Asik and either Ariza or Deng would be coming in?

Cons: Having dead money on the cap can never be considered a great thing and Dell Demps would also have to admit a huge mistake by doing this. Also, what if Gordon is planning on opting out next year anyway? You would be spreading money out over 5 years when you might of only had to eat his contract for another 12 months.

Conclusion

The Pelicans next deal will center around one of these four moves, there is no doubt about that. The question is which route is most viable, and the only way for me to know that is to get inside the heads of the other 29 GM’s, which I can’t. But the good news is that I have no doubt that Dell is hard at work talking to each and every one of them. Ideally, something with Gordon happens, as that would allow Tyreke to assume the role as unquestioned starter and could also open up a spot to bring Morrow back.

More realistically, however, we see Austin or Anderson leave and that decision will likely come down to how much value the Pelicans can get in either scenario. If the Rivers scenario causes them to lose depth and makes adding a SF hard, then perhaps Ryan Anderson would be the way to go if they can get a small forward that they like back in the deal and/or a draft pick that could help them move Gordon. At the end of the day, or more accurately by the beginning of July, Dell will have to pull the trigger on one of these four options and we will see the roster of the 2014-15 Pelicans finally take shape.

78 Comments

  1. jsl05

    June 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    If we stretch Eric Gordon, can we trade him to another team? I don’t think it would be too hard finding a team who wants him for that price.

  2. affliction504

    June 27, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    jsl05 when you stretch him he is waived cant trade him

  3. jamrenaissance

    June 27, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Dead money is never a good thing, I will admit.
    With that said, if we view this from the “sunk cost” model, aren’t we comparing having an unhappy, unproductive Eric Gordon to having Asik, $5.5 mill max dead money, and (or perhaps “but”) enough cap space for a solid-but-unspectacular starter and some backups?
    I think the second option is preferable.

  4. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    affliction504 jsl05 correct

  5. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    jamrenaissance While I agree that dead money is never a good thing, either is paying a guy who hurts your team more than he helps 30 mil over 2 years. Might be a necessary evil

  6. jamrenaissance

    June 27, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    Just to make sure I have the timeline right, we would have to waive him before the Asik trade goes through, but he can be re-signed at any point, correct? 
    I found myself wondering if the marquee free agents available this summer would affect how much Gordon could get (and, as such, how much would be taken off of the dead money for us). 
    There’s only one of Lebron James, and one of Carmelo Anthony. There are 4-6 teams at least playing at trying to recruit those two guys. That means 2-4 teams will be disappointed, and will need to throw their money somewhere…

  7. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    jamrenaissance All this would be agreed to over the NBA Moratorium period and then done in a particular sequence afterwards. We can let it be done that we will stretch Gordon ASAP, allowing teams to negotiate with him. Then, moratorium would be lifted, we would stretch him and trade for Asik in this scenario

  8. PatWorth

    June 27, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    How accurate are salary cap projections?

  9. NOEngineer

    June 27, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Michael,
    Near the end you say:  “At the end of the day, or more accurately by the beginning of June”. I’m assuming you don’t mean June 2015, so what date did you really have in mind?

  10. polofr3sh

    June 27, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Is there any chance of us receiving Harrison Barnes as one of those extra players if we trade away Anderson? I know golden state has been trying to trade him and his contract/age /3point shooting fits in well with Jrue and Anthony Davis

  11. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    NOEngineer Just meant to say July. 
    Thanks.

  12. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    PatWorth They might be off a very little bit, but not enough to change anything significantly with us. One of these 4 things will be done

  13. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    polofr3sh I am sure there is a chance, but you dont wanna hear me rant on Barnes. I think he is a below average to terrible player and would be furious if that happened. Now, Draymond Green and we can start to talk but I still need more

  14. polofr3sh

    June 27, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Michael McNamara polofr3sh LOL well im sure we all thought Rivers and Lopez was too….and Monty turned them into decent players. Harrison Barnes has the most upside behind Davis if he was on the roster

  15. Jamdunn06

    June 27, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Do you think if Melo goes to Houston do you think Parsons might become available as a part of a three teamer sign trade with Ryno or Gordon going out ?

  16. jsl05

    June 27, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    I’d definitely do it. Dead money isn’t good, but neither is Eric Gordon.

  17. TristanBisnezzWilliams

    June 27, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    I really believe we can move gordon this summer. Indy and cha could be the potential buyers. Both will be pursuing Lance Stephenson, one or both will lose out. That would leave a void at the 2 for them.

  18. Pecans

    June 27, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    If Pelicans can get to just under 7.4 mil and Asik is costing just under 8.5 wouldnt the reported 1.5 mil Houston is sending New Orleans allow them to absorb Asik’s contract?

  19. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Pecans No. That money helps the Pelicans pay Asik or goes into Bensons’ pocket. It has NOTHING to do with the cap and our payroll in that regard.

  20. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Jamdunn06 They would have to agree to send him to us. I dont think they would. I think getting him is about as close to impossible as you can get

  21. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    polofr3sh Michael McNamara If I responded to that, I would need to censor like 95% of it. So, I will just say that is your opinion and you are welcome to it

  22. lsutigers33

    June 27, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    I assume that Benson/loomis would give Dell the “your zzz is on the line” conversation to get to the playoffs if he approved the stretch.
    Benson eating 5m a year could be made up if we made it to the playoffs a few rounds each year.

  23. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    the Pels have 3 options for Gordon trade him and take not so bad contracts, have him agree to an buyout or play him or sit him out.

  24. bucklezzzman

    June 27, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Is the Stretch Provision similar to the amnesty or will that money stretched still count against the cap?

    I probably dislike the Rivers option most although its the most likely, because we’d pretty much be giving away an asset for nothing. 
    I’d also hate to see Ryno go but at this point he’s just an awesome luxury rather than a necessity like a SF is for us right now. We could bring in a very legit SF if we ship him out.

    Ridding ourselves of Gordon in any way or fashion is currently just an absolute must. Dell should making no calls for Rivers & Ryno until the last minute, imo. Shipping out Gordon is Priority #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5. Lol

  25. nolafredo

    June 27, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    I can’t see any way we can trade Gordon this offseason with $14 and $15 mil still due to him.  Usually, such a salary dump, requires giving up something like a draft pick (which we don’t have) or a young piece (which we’re fast running out of).  And I don’t see any kind of market for highly-paid, constantly-injured star-caliber player who hasn’t lived up to his promise of so long ago.  At half his price? Yes.  But not at his current rate.

    So that, by default, means it’s Austin Rivers who has to be moved in order to make room for Asik.

  26. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Gordon,Ajinca and Ely or Southerland to the Bucks for Mayo, Middleton and Iiyasova and Anderson and Rivers to the Celtics for Jeff Green,Joel Anthony  and 2015 2nd.
    C Asik-Withey-Anthony
    PF Davis-Iiysova-UDFA
    SF Green-Babbit-Miller
    SG Evans-Mayo
    PG Holiday-Roberts-Smith.

  27. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    nolafredo If you trade Gordon to a rebuilding team that’s not going anywhere and take scraps yeah it can work.You buy him out you gave him a chance to go to an contender as rotation player most likely the Bulls. Rose+ Mello+ Gordon=AAU

  28. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Could flip Mayo if you planning on bringing back Murrow

  29. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    bucklezzzman It’s been priority # 1 from the start Benson/Loomis don’t want him on this team period it was a goof by Demps by convincing Benson & Loomis that Gordon is a piece to the puzzle of the team future lol.Now he have to make amends on that mistake.

  30. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Michael McNamara polofr3sh Barnes is overrated he’s and cog of the tar Heels system which has been overrated for years.

  31. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    jamrenaissance LeBron and Mello are going to stay in the east there’s no doubt about it

  32. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    jamrenaissance Dead money would been costly last season if the Saints release Roman Harper but in the NBA dead money is dead.

  33. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    Patric Young to the Pels via twitter

  34. polofr3sh

    June 27, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    Michael McNamara polofr3sh  Don’t see how you wouldn’t agree @Michael McNamara …..Harrison
    Barnes is a flat out physical freak on the level of a Andrew Wiggins,
    He has a better form on his shot release, and he’s cheap. Its a no
    brainer plus because of his age he will be an attractive movable piece
    if doesn’t pan out. Look at our current roster , all overpriced players
    or just second round value.We couldn’t even attract a team to want one
    of our players for a late first round pick.That shows the vaule of our
    roster . Can’t move Evans because he is overpriced , Gordon overpriced ,
    Anderson too inconsistent , He jacks up more shots than the energy he
    uses on defense. Even with all we risked in Asik trade, we still not
    even a Playoff team Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, Thunder, Portland, Dallas,
    Los Angeles Clip are still far more better teams, healthy Pelicans
    roster or not. So looking back at trade, We lost another valuable first
    round pick and another year of not rebuilding in a very important 2015
    free agent draft class. Moves like this is the reason why LeBron left
    his own home to play in Miami….. Demps is not different than the Gm
    for Cavs. So lets just see how long Anthony Davis waits for
    management to get things right. He’ll be out like Shaq did Orlando , or even more recent. K.Love leaving Minnesota

  35. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    polofr3sh Michael McNamara Stop crying Barnes is overrated he’s an scrub,2015 will be an weak draft class and you already pressing the panic button.

  36. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    polofr3sh Michael McNamara CP3 was a crybaby from the start, he was playing for an penny pinching owner (Shinn) and with the new ownership with Benson who knows what this team could be like.They’re some small market owners who are so afraid to deal with their diva player(s) but at least Benson is not Shinn.It’s his way or the highway.

  37. polofr3sh

    June 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Lebron2Pels2014 polofr3sh Michael McNamara No panic button, but do some of you actually watch full basketball games instead of stats? GS gave up on him after his amazing previous playoff performance by signing Over rated Andre from the nuggets. Paul George in his early years was  very similar to what Harrison Barnes is now.

  38. polofr3sh

    June 27, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Lebron2Pels2014 polofr3sh Michael McNamara a sample size of Barnes. No one on Thunder team couldn’t stop him
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWtWykpx0Q4

  39. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 27, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    polofr3sh Lebron2Pels2014 Michael McNamara Barnes what in his third season coming November.I can understand your defense that with the Iggy signing have devalued him but the question could he be an impact player here?

  40. polofr3sh

    June 27, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Lebron2Pels2014 polofr3sh Michael McNamara I think Monty would value a player like Barnes and get the most out of him. Him and AD are very athletic and could cause problems together. Once Barnes sees how hard Anthony Davis works , would do wonders for him. It would just make sense to have him because of his salary , age, and shooting ability. If Monty Williams molded Batum, don’t see how he couldn’t make very productive Barnes.

    Warriors been trying to trade him. So Pelicans should take him

  41. 504ever

    June 27, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    My first choice is trading Gordon, but the Cons there are it is unrealistic, or you likely take back cheaper but longer contracts that are short term gain but longer term pain.
    My second choice is trading Rivers.  He isn’t core to this team, and Asik for Rivers is a deal you do every day and twice on Sundays.
    I wouldn’t trade Anderson, plus his value must be low coming off of surgery, and I wouldn’t stretch Gordon until I know what he will do with his option year.
    I suspect there are some more trade Rivers scenarios where we can keep the MLE and Bi-Annual, I just don’t know what they are.  Wish I could talk to a capologist. (Rivers plus Ely is $4.6M of salary.  So adding $3.8M gets you there. Renounce Smith and Roberts, guys you figure to sign for cheap anyway?)

  42. 504ever

    June 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    polofr3sh
    The same Harrison Barnes  who was called out by his college coach his last year in college for being a wus who didn’t rebound or drive, and only took jump shots?  The Harrison Barnes who never passes? The Harrison Barnes nicknamed “Fools Gold”?  NEVER!

  43. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    504ever Why do you need a capologist? I can tell you anything you want to know. 
    First, your numbers are wrong and/or assumptions are wrong on a few things here. I have laid out the scenarios very clearly in this piece. 
    Ask me a specific question, and I guarantee I can answer anything any capologist could.

  44. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    bucklezzzman It counts against the cap

  45. PelicanSaints

    June 27, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    I like the first Gordon scenario……send somewhere with a bag of cash. Hopefully we can keep on our exceptions……which is paramount to have, so we can bring in a decent SF

  46. 504ever

    June 27, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Michael McNamara 504ever
    What are the cap numbers for Asik, Rivers, Ely, Southerland, Smith, Aminu, Roberts, Miller, Withey, Babbit and Ajinca?  (I assume Rivers is $2.439M, Roberts and Miller are $1.115M each, Withey is $0.816M, and Babbit and Ajinca are $0.981M each.)
    If we trade Rivers, how much more salary do we have to shed to keep our MLE and Bi-Annual? ( I assume around $6M.)

  47. 504ever

    June 27, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Michael McNamara 504ever
    Also, would signing Aminu (or Smith or Roberts) into cap space an trading him for a pick help us keep our MLE, etc. by increasing cap space?  Why does renouncing Bird rights not help us keep our MLE, etc.?  If players we trade are cut, are there limits on when we can resign them?

  48. dalshearer

    June 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    If we do end up having to keep Gordon next season, have him come off the bench for Evans and he’ll almost certainly opt out.

  49. jmbell7

    June 27, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    I was hoping for this but don’t think it would happen. I have a feeling he will be one of this draft’s undrafted players that sticks around the league for a long time.

  50. jmbell7

    June 27, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    I don’t see how Indy takes his contract.

  51. 504ever

    June 27, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    dalshearer I think the same thing.

  52. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    504ever Michael McNamara Okay, you are right – this would be way easier in person. 
    If we go the trade Rivers route, we have to trade Rivers and an additional 3.4 million to keep our MLE and BAE. 
    If you renounce all your Bird Rights, you are doing so to create cap room. If you use cap room, no MLE. So, they are indirectly related. 
    We would have to wait 90 days to sign that player (in this case Babbitt. Would still be before the season starts)
    Your salary numbers above are right. It was Ely that was wrong before. It is 1.4. Your confusion might be that you can take back up to 2.2 by trading it.

  53. 504ever

    June 27, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Michael McNamara 504ever
    Thanks! This helps me and perhaps other readers.  
    So Rivers and Ely plus about $2M of salary need to be traded out.  So could we  sign Miller and Babbitt, unguaranteed, and trade them to get to $2M?  Then if Miller and Babbitt are cut, we can resign them before camp?  
    Does Southland figure in here as a guy we can sign unguaranteed and trade, too?  If so for how much? $0.816M, or can we sign him for $2.0M and trade him to balance this out?

  54. Michael McNamara

    June 27, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    504ever Michael McNamara The issue with resigning guys and including them in the trade is that team would have to want them because it would be a guaranteed contract. “Fake contracts” like Ely and Babbitt work better because they are unguaranteed and the team can just cut them. 
    Why I mentioned Rivers, Ajinca, Babbitt, and Ely as the trade that works in the piece. The third team would get all those players, but only Rivers and Ajinca are guaranteed. Babbitt and Ely can just be let go with no salary reprecutions. .

  55. Jason Calmes

    June 27, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    504, check your email on file with the site.

  56. mojart

    June 27, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    I would love to have the greek freak from the bucks…they have like 3 SF on that roster even if it cost us ryno…

  57. jmbell7

    June 27, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    mojart I would LOVE that.

  58. mazonmafia

    June 27, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Question: If Gordon is stretched, can the team choose the spread of the cap hit each year or is it equally pro-rated over the next 5 years?

  59. DGaines22

    June 27, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    We should look to get CJ Miles as a SF in free agency whether we get another one or not guy can shoot left handed and play Def

  60. 504ever

    June 28, 2014 at 6:08 am

    Michael McNamara 504ever
    Thanks, Michael.  I don’t mind Asik for Rivers.  I see Rivers as an NBA minimum salary type player this past year. I don’t see him being worth the $3.1M option for 2015-16 we would have to choose to pick up this October.  So he might have been gone for 2015-15 anyway.  I see Babbitt as getting cut by the team that gets him in trade and we get Babbitt back if we want him.  I am trying to salvage Ajinca, who I like as a backup C and who is cheap.  Maybe and somehow we acquire a small trade exemption (or a fake contract) we can ship to Houston.  Maybe the big miracle happens and we trade Gordon for enough less salary to keep Ajinca (and possibly Rivers).  Even if we ship out Rivers and Ajinca, I like the Asik deal.  The possibility of keeping Asik longer term is real, and that is a big deal to me.

  61. Michael McNamara

    June 28, 2014 at 8:44 am

    504ever Michael McNamara One thing I have learned is that Dell can replace fringe players, so if he loses Ajinca, I am okay. Our center rotation could be Asik, Withey, P. Young and/or Jason Smith – with AD getting mins. there when Ryno is on the court. That is more than enough, so Ajinca can go if he helps this whole thing go down. 
    Rivers will be an unfortunate loss because he was getting close to below average on offense and getting better while being very good on defense IMO. But I will be happy if he can go somewhere where he can get some time and continue to improve

  62. lsutigers33

    June 28, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Is it possible that dell n Houston have an extra attachment to this trade depending on what happens in the start of FA?
    Anyway Houston can take on EG after melo says yes to Houston?
    Anyway Houston wants EG as part of the trade if Melo says no?
    I would like to know more on the timeline- fa can sign first, then you have to declare your roster and cap, etc…
    For some reason, I feel the Asik trade has a ” if x happens during FA, then we will do y”.

  63. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 28, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Brian Roberts is a free agent.

  64. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 28, 2014 at 11:07 am

    xman20002000 Believe me they want Gordon gone they want Morrow.

  65. Lebron2Pels2014

    June 28, 2014 at 11:09 am

    lsutigers33 He could be traded to Houston and his contract could be stretched there that can be possible.

  66. jmald1

    June 28, 2014 at 11:23 am

    polofr3sh Michael McNamara  havent dell demps proved that players are willing to come here such as tyeke evans and ryan anderson yes they was signed and traded here but who recuited dem dell demps im tired of ppl like u seeing the glass half empty instead of half full this roster have amazing talent and btw evans is not that overpriced he is on a moveable contract we are not a normal small market franchise and plus u need to see dat we have pieces we dnt  wanna move i love da asik trade because asik is proven and a quality big that is very expensive in todays basketball to get asik and have his bird rights what happen if we lose asik we lost a first round pick in a very weak draft class i dnt want anymore rookies on this team i want more veterans for dis team because we average a age of 23 so give dell demps and ask urself dis who else have accomplish what dell demps accomplish we have players dat have been all stars SO I WILL END IT WIT THIS JUST OFF EDDIE MURPHY RAW; HAVE A COKE AND A SMILE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP

  67. jmald1

    June 28, 2014 at 11:26 am

    i pray and hope roberts dnt come back even though russ smith is basically roberts but can actually play solid defense

  68. 504ever

    June 28, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Yes, but I think it is harder as the height requirements go up. There are only so many skilled 7 footers on the planet. And my belief is Ajinca will benefit greatly from an off season with the Pelicans
    I strongly suspect Dell has a plan to allow him to keep Ajinca, of not Rivers and Ajinca.

  69. PelicanSaints

    June 28, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Can’t see the Rockets taking Gordon. ..They could just keep Lin…..

  70. Michael McNamara

    June 28, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    504ever Well I think the plan is certainly to do that, and ideally move Gordon. But if I get Asik and a good SF coming out of this summer, I don’t think I will lose any sleep over losing Ajinca

  71. PelicanSaints

    June 28, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    Dell should call the Hornets and offer Gordon for Henderson……throw in some cash, Ely exception and Babbitt. …..

  72. PelicanSaints

    June 28, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Just read somewhere that the Timberwolves called and offered Kevin Martin for Gordon….Damn I hope that happens……

  73. jmbell7

    June 28, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    mojart I just read that he’s grown to 6’11” from 6’9″. But the Bucks also believe he can play power forward with Jabari at the 3.

  74. PelicanSaints

    June 29, 2014 at 7:22 am

    xman20002000 PelicanSaints Well, first of all his contract is to big considering his production or lack there of…..if we get Martin, he makes half of what Gordon makes…plus his career numbers are better…..his salary would allow Dell to have more options to improve the roster……It’s not personal, just business….he got a max contract because of his potential…Dell’s mistake…but, Gordon has had ample opportunity to show everyone he’s max guy…but it hasn’t happen….Dell can’t afford to wait on him any longer…….

  75. dschmid4

    June 29, 2014 at 10:36 am

    I think another option would be to combine Gordon with one of the other more attractive deals. If you add Ryno and Gordon that is a big chunk of change, but teams like Detroit and Charlotte have 23 mil plus in cap space to trade into. that would be a lot talent walking out the door, but it would give us flexibility to pursue free agents that fit our team’s needs better.  In Detroit’s case maybe they would send us back some small pieces like Caldwell-Pope and SIngler. Charlotte maybe its Gary Neal and a pick. On second though, this really does not sound appealing to me. 
    The only teams i would see trading for Gordon straight up will want to send us their overpaid garbage (gerald wallace), in that case i’d rather keep Gordon. 
    I think we should likely stand pat and play a 3 guard line-up with our two defensive anchors to start and then get, creative when we move Ryno in.  A year from now Gordon is an expiring and if he is still playing more like an anchor that weighs use down than an anchor you pay max money and build around. Cut him loose.

  76. CoReMeGa

    June 29, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    I was thinking the same thing.. I think the new Hornets might strike out on lance Stephenson and a couple other targets.. And we might able to trade Gordon ajinca and maybe even sweaten it with a future 2nd round pick. Maybe get Henderson and some other filler from them.

  77. CoReMeGa

    June 29, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    I think Dell really pulls this one off. Trading Gordon to the Bucks or Hornets for a couple smaller pieces.
    If he can’t make a move… He better just stretch Gordon and allow us to keep Ryno and Rivers. That would allow Dell to fill out the roster with good no names like always and still keep a couple great tradable assets for the next move.

  78. 504ever

    June 30, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Michael McNamara 504ever
    Getting Asik is great, because he is a big time upgrade and a near perfect C for us.  Getting a starter quality SF would be a very good upgrade, too.  
    My concern isn’t limited to Ajinca; it’s losing so much of last year’s 2nd team: Rivers, Roberts, Aminu, Jason Smith, Ajinca, and likely Morrow.  Who are our current projected 2nd teamers?  A ‘coming off surgery’ Anderson, a ‘cancer on defense’ Eric Gordon, a ‘near rookie’ Withey, ‘blah’ Miller, and rookie Russ Smith? And, after the Asik trade, how much money will we have to sign to get better 2nd teamers?
    Everyone in the West is staying the same or getting better.  So our bench becomes a big deal.  Usually when you upgrade, the prior starter (at C and SF in our case) become the back-up.  We may not retain either experienced back-up and lose several other guys.

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