Chris Paul Better Than Derek Rose? Huh??

Published: April 26, 2011

A note from Joe- So this guy is responding to the 5×5 on ESPN where I answer a question about Rose.

5. D-Rose was supposed to confirm his MVP status. So what happened?

Joe Gerrity, Hornets 247: At times it appears like he’s trying to prove himself so much it actually hurts the team. Why else jack seven 3-pointers a game and take so many shots on a bum ankle? That coinciding with Paul’s resurgence has really forced the realization that although Rose is great, he’s not even the best point guard.

Kevin Arnovitz answered that same question like this-

Kevin Arnovitz, Nothing, actually. He’s raised his regular-season player efficiency rating from 23.62 to 24.64 in this series. If you’re looking for an explanation of public perception, the answer is Chris Paul. Derrick Rose is an electrifying scorer and a winner, but there is an intuition to Paul’s game as a pure point guard that defies comparison — and that’s not Rose’s fault.

Winksm, the author of what was formerly this post, takes great offense to my assertion that Paul is a better point guard than Derrick Rose. Just for fun, I will respond. Mine are in italic.

He writes…

You must be the dumbest $#%hole on the planet to say that Derek Rose isn’t the best point guard in the league?

Are you sure about that? Because it seems like you are unsure. More likely you just don’t understand how to use question marks.

And you infer that that honor goes to Chris Friggin Paul?? That is absolutely hysterical.

Glad you find it so funny. Who else would it go to exactly?

Look at the stats you moron. Chris Paul only averages a measly 15.9 points per game during the regular season. Derek Rose averages 25 points per game…

I didn’t realize we were living a world of basketball knowledge where points per game over one season were somehow the number one indicator of a players worth. Is it the 1960’s? Oh wait. This has never been the case, ever, at least among those with even a most basic understanding of the game.

and led his team to a league high 62 wins. What’s better???

Judging a players value based on team record is another common argument from people who neither understand, nor care to understand basketball.

You are a f&$%^$ moron.

Here we go. Now your true colors are really starting to shine. I bet you’re a really cool guy in real life! Lots of friends, I’m sure.

Don’t post nonsense like this for the whole world to see. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I’m not, but thanks for taking time out of what is obviously a fulfilling life to tell me how I should feel. I’ll go ahead and not take advice from the individual who spammed the same personal attacks repeatedly.

That’s like saying Jimmy Clausen is a better quarterback than Dan Marino or Dan Fouts.

Yeah, Chris Paul is about as good as Jimmy Clausen. Apparently your ignorance isn’t limited to basketball.

You are a moron. End of story. Watch as Derek Rose leads the Bulls to another title you jackasss.

Thanks for playing, random Bulls troll. Good luck to you. The Bulls remain one of my favorite teams, and Rose one of my favorite players. Fact is, I have repeatedly admitted that he had a better year than Paul did and even argued that he deserves the MVP.

Of course, there is a but. Chris Paul was obviously not at 100%, or even close to it, for the majority of the year. He was coming off knee surgery that removed part of his meniscus and slowed him notably for the majority of the season.

Let’s take a quick look at Chris Paul’s 2007-2008 vs Derrick Rose’s 2010-2011:

Ouch, that must hurt.  The only thing that Rose really wins is points per game, and he does it by taking 3.6 more shots to score 3.9 more points. Those participating at home might realize that if Paul had shot more, he would have scored more points than Rose also.

And all you have to do is take a look at this postseason to see which Chris Paul is on the court right now. Fact is, Paul has been the better player before, and he is performing better right now. Next year he will probably be close to 100%, and he will crush the D-Rosers’ (the new D-Willers) collective souls in the regular season. You can bank on that.

Defensively the game isn’t even close. It’s Paul in a landslide.

This post was submitted by winksm.


  1. Bee4life

    April 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm


  2. 420ftjesus

    April 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    I wasn’t aware that anyone bought the Rose stuff. It seems like something to distract the weak minds of the … errr … weak.

    I suppose if he loses this title, he’ll be a stat inflator.

    If he is injured, then he’s just worse, not good but inhibited from producing.

    If his teammates aren’t up to the task, he is not a leader.

    This is the shit we’ve had to endure all year, and I can’t wait for a year of shit to materialize before the eyes of those ignorant arrogant asses, those narrow minded, short sighted fools, when they realize their brashness has left them exposed before their peers, or superiors, who sat humbly by and just enjoyed play from two great players, with one being far greater.

  3. Cloud520

    April 27, 2011 at 12:40 am

    D-Rose is a great player and amazingly fun to watch. But when CP3 is playing like we know he can, he is untouchable and undefendable. It’s like people saying Rondo is the best point guard in the league. Sure, if you don’t count shooting percentage or FT percentage. And the sad fact is, D-Rose and Rondo have much better teams around them and CP3 gets it done with what he has.

  4. J

    April 27, 2011 at 9:39 am

    We’ve to win game 6 because CP3 future with the hornets is on this game more than ever

  5. NO-CHI

    April 28, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Brilliant and crazy idea to win Game 6:
    #1 Bring Marco Belinelli off the bench and replace him with Quincy Pondexter.
    (Could be used by itself.)
    – Belinelli has a major strength disadvantage against Artest. It meant that if Marco ended up on Kobe. Kobe would have a made bucket. It would be 1 thing if that was the game plan, but it’s not.
    – Artest is buying the Laker Bigs a critical second to grab a board because he’s blocking out Marco and delaying Landry (though sometimes Okafor) a critical second.
    – it would improve our bench. Remember Game 5 where Jack couldn’t hit a shot and the only bench producers were Willie (who showed why it was Marcus who was traded for Landry and not him,) and Gray.
    – Monty already plays that 3-guard lineup and bringing Marco off the bench instead of Pondexter would mean improved production for ALL the bench players.
    – Matt Barnes and Steve Blake are not Ron Artest.
    – Marco can get more points without Artest on him.
    – This frees up some space for Green to continue showing why they kept him instead of Marcus, and it might allow Jack to get an easier shot, which would then be followed with shooter’s mode of confidence and hitting more shots.

    This next 1 sounds insane but makes sense if you stop and think.

    #2 Bring Landry off the bench in favor of Mbenga.

    Reasons why this would be helpful:
    – Landry on Odom works a hell lot better than Jason Smith
    – You now double your amount of starters who understand how the Lakers operate
    – Mbenga plays solid defense on Gasol
    – For all their heralded depth and height, the Lakers are remarkably thin. Odom is the only bench big man that is ever actively for than a couple of games at a time.
    – It means that the Lakers only get production out of Bynum OR Gasol (or nothing.) Bynum’s production comes from him successfully winning the matchup with Okafor. (Mbenga’s on Gasol. I don’t remember Gasol ever scoring with an inside move while being guarded by Smith/Mbenga/Gray.) Gasol’s production means he hits his fadeaway jumpshots. (How can Bynum be effective when they aren’t any rebounds to snare.) No production: Gasol can’t hit the fadeaways as he getting guarded by Okafor.

    #3 Bring Okafor off the bench as well and start Aaron Gray.

    – A Bench of Jack/Green/Marco/Landry/Smith/Okafor is better than Odom with about 10 points of help from Blake/Barnes/Brown. (Brown scares me more than Kobe. Kobe dunks so many times it’s normal, and it means he’s in HOG mode. Brown dunking or hitting 3s means helping Bryant by getting him rest, and taking pressure off of Odom.)

    I firmly believe that if Artest/Gasol/Bynum have to work for their offense other than fadeaways the Hornets can win the series.

    Mbenga drew blood on Gasol and has the run the fastbreak and knows the Lakers. Now we understand why Mbenga was kept, and understanding the reasons has earned my respect. Plus all Mbenga has to do is put of numbers like he was coming off the bench in the point department. The other bigs can take care of scoring.

    If Monty does this, the bench will be improve because of the bench will have more Odom players than the Lakers. (starters who are healthy but aren’t actually starting game to game.) Freeing up Marco, Landry, and Okafor from Gasol, Bynum and Artest will improve their production.

    Screw it Gray and Mbenga just need to give us about 12-18 points a game, as long as they get the rebounds and make Lakers’ offense actually taxing on the Lakers.

    Pondexter just has to provide with about 8 as well. Let Paul and Ariza contribute do most of the work and wear down the last two weapons for the Lakers in Kobe and Fisher.

    On top of that, Smith can be subbed in for either Mbenga or Gray if they get into foul trouble but the Lakers’ bigs of Gasol and Bynum are still out there. (Funny if the Lakers wanted to be as good as possible, it should have been Gasol coming off the bench instead of Odom.)

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