Rage

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Published: October 10, 2013
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Rudy Gay.  Rudy Gay!  I voted in #NBARank the past two years.  Somehow, despite my input, Rudy Gay ended up with a higher rank than Ryan Anderson, coming in at 55 ahead of Ryno’s 56.

What is wrong with everyone?  Give Anderson 13 shots and you get 16 points.  Give Rudy Gay 13 shots and you have 14 points!  Take Rudy Gay from the Grizzlies and you get a Grizzly team that improves both defensively and offensively.  Put Ryan Anderson on the bench, and you get a team whose offense crashes.  Ryan Anderson actually had his worst true shooting percentage last year trying to carry the offense.  Rudy Gay’s best scoring season ever(three years ago) just barely touches it!

Want more?  Do you think Rudy Gay could do this:

Ryan Anderson Artwork

That’s right!  Official, signed artwork!  Soak in the subtle shading, the hues, the efficient coloring of the background!  If Rudy Gay filled in that background, he’d have used at least 10% more crayon for the same effect!  Ryan even did it for a teammate, showing his unselfish art-game.  You know if this was an original Rudy, it would be signed:

To: Me, Myself and I (Again with the inefficiency, Rudy!  Too many letters!)

From: Rudy

Sigh.  Curse you NBA Rank!  Curse you Rudy Gay!

19 comments
DxM90
DxM90

I agree that Rudy is overrated, but I still have a gripe with the article.  You mentioned how Memphis improved both offensively and defensively without Rudy, but the Spurs exposed their offense in the WCF.  They had no one to create a shot besides Conley.  It may have been a shot for himself, but Rudy would've created shots.  I'm pretty certain they wouldn't have been swept if Rudy was still there (On the flip side, they may not have made it to the WCF if Rudy was still there.).

Also, you can't talk about how Memphis improved defensively post-trade, then just fail to mention how the Pels defense also improved when Ryan hit the bench.  If you're trying to make an argument, at least present the whole case.

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

I'm certain Ujiri is already packing Rudy's bags to leave Toronto as we speak.

BAD TRADE!

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

From the Angry Bird to the Rhyno coloring, this is the greatest post EVER on this site.

Kudos Ryan!

kierantk
kierantk

As much as Ryan is great in the regular season, I think it's best to hold off too much comparison before seeing what he can do in a playoff series against a team who has the time to try and shut him down.  Matt Bonner has had plenty of nice regular seasons, but has struggled to contribute in the post seasons when opponents simply stick a tall wing player on him that he can't take advantage of.  

Bonner is obviously not as good as Anderson, but he also has Pop would have the best chance of anyone to put him in a position to succeed.  I don't want to get too excited about Ryno until we see if he can actually do something in the playoffs.  

lsucpolk
lsucpolk

A pelican beak should have been photo shopped onto that pic.  Anyways, the fact that the Grizzlies were better after getting rid of Gay says all we need to know about him.  A lot of factors contribute to the fact that Rudy is ranked higher.  Rudy is a bigger name for reasons other than his actual play in the NBA.  He went to UConn, where he was in direct competition with the large market east coast Big East teams.  Anderson went to Cal, where exposure is significantly less.  Rudy was a McDonald's All American.  Ryan wasn't heavily recruited going into college.  Rudy was a lottery pick.  Ryan wasn't .  Rudy has carried the burden of being a #1 option on a team.  Ryan was never required to do that.  


I'm sure most reasonable gm's would rather have Ryan Anderson.  I would.

slapdoghoops
slapdoghoops

I'm sorry but Rudy Gay is WAY better than Ryan Anderson.  I am shocked that Gay was at 55.  He should have been ranked much higher.  All Anderson has going for him is his three point shot.  he does not post up nor is he that great a rebounder for a player his size.  Rudy on the other hand is a multifaceted plaer who can kill you inside out and is an excellent perimeter defender unlike Anderson who is completely invisible on that side of the court.

ryanschwan
ryanschwan moderator

@DxM90 I was kinda hoping the tone of the piece wouldn't make people think it was a serious statistical work.  Those who listen to the podcast know I'm virulently anti-Rudy Gay - so I made a half-serious, half-serious post here when I saw Rudy beat Anderson.

See the artwork I included?  Humor!

Better not quit my day job.

mateor
mateor

The people who think Rudy Gay is worth his salary had to be somewhere.

Glad you're here, we are here to help you.

slapdoghoops
slapdoghoops

@LieutenantKumar @slapdoghoops I will have to disagree with you on all accounts. Last season the Toronto Raptors were 16-31 w/o gay.  Upon his arrival, Toronto finished 18-17 and came within four games of the last playoff spot in the Eastern conference. 

Add the fact with his short stint in Memphis prior to that, the Grizzles has the best record in the league at the end of November when Gay was still there.  He also led the team in scoring despite not having his best shooting soon too.  In fact onbe can go as far to say that his leaving Memphis hurt the team rather than help it because they no longer had a player in the perimeter to keep defenses honest and stop them from crowding the paint on gasol and randolph like they do now.

As for him being overrated, that's a complete crock.  In fact it's the complete opposite.  If you look at his numbers and PER he is arguably the third best SF in the league behind Lebron James and Kevin Durant.  If anyone is overrated,  it is  Loul Deng, Paul George and Andre Igoudala.  Those guys are not nearly as productive or as efficient as Gay, but they get all this All Star acclaim.

Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes moderator

@NOH Domination @Jason Calmes @slapdoghoops @LieutenantKumar Someone's expert opinion should not be discounted, but that is not what JT is presenting. He specifically pointed to efficiency and was dead wrong. He brought it up, not me. I am fully aware that there is more to the game than stats. I detest empty statistical support since it gives good statistical arguments less of a platform, but, again, he brought up efficiency. 

JT has been a fairly less than useless poster for years here, albeit with different names. In this case, my "eye-test" is a valid position to stand on. 

I'm all for open dialogue, but simply trying to mislead people and quoting false facts is not in support of real debate. Debunking that nonsense is.

As far as the irony, I didn't attack his opinion. i attacked his so-called evidence and his pattern of behavior of something-between-being-ignorant-and-lying.

As misstep, an error, all that is fine. JT has been a troll for years. You can't see that this is the same guy that's been around doing this for a long time, so you'll just have to trust me that it's a "lifetime achievement award" reaction. 

He's not banned, and that's my support of open dialogue since its possible he'll change his ways. Still, not everyone has the right to say whatever they want to say wherever they want to say it. He can do what he wants on his own site. Here, presenting falsehoods less than innocently is not acceptable.

NOH Domination
NOH Domination

@Jason Calmes @NOH Domination @slapdoghoops @LieutenantKumar The eye test is a fact and if somebody believes Rudy Gay is better than his counter-parts then that is a valid position to stand on. Unfortunately for you basketball is too variable for numerical analysis to paint the entire picture. Advanced statistics are useful for certain, and I'm not supporting a position one way or another, but if you fail to see that there's more to a player than numbers then you're conclusions are incomplete. Dismissing slapdoghoops opinion simply because it doesn't align with your rigorously tested hypothesis then threatening that his thoughts aren't welcome isn't the way you present facts and it certainly isn't how open dialogue forms. Your last paragraph condemning the attack of other opinions is quite ironic in view of your intolerance towards what slapdog has to say.

Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes moderator

@slapdoghoops @LieutenantKumar This is you again, right JT? Have you still not met my friend, "Counting?"

I looked at the TS% of George, Deng, and Iguodala, and they all had higher career totals than Rudy Gay. Deng and Iguodala are actually known for defense, as well, so picking them as examples of efficiency says something about you.

So I am not even bothering with the rest of the imagination creations in your post, but if you post again with some hard data, I'll likely just delete your posts, maybe ban you. Bad bad pattern you have and have had it for years.

There's a place for people who just want to spout their opinions while attacking those of others with supporting information, but it isn't here.