Has anyone heard anything about this kid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov6ysqL9WNk If so, what are your thoughts?
The Missing Piece: Scouting the NBA Combine
By the time the next ‘Missing Piece’ is published, the NBA Combine will have come and gone and the draft lottery will be just three days away. On May 16th and 17th, the top NBA prospects will be put through a series of athletic tests and will have the opportunity to introduce themselves to some of the decision makers in the league. While the combine is only part of the draft process, it has been known to elevate some players draft stock and cripple the stock of others. Last year, Meyers Leonard went from a late 1st rounder to the 11th pick in the draft because of his impressive showing at the combine. Conversely, teams really started to question whether Jared Sullinger could defend in this league after watching his agility drills. As a result, he fell from a potential top 6 pick prior to the combine to the 21st pick less than two months later.
The 2013 draft class is not loaded with stars, but what it does have is a large number of fairly productive college players who have high floors and considerable upside. With the class so tightly bunched together, however, a player could theoretically jump to the top of the class or fall to the back with one great (or poor) combine appearance. There are a few guys, in particular, who will have specific parts of their games analyzed and those results will determine whether they will be in consideration when the Pelicans pick in June. Without further adieu, let’s talk a look at the key players at the combine and what talent evaluators will be picking apart this week.
Otto Porter, F, Georgetown
Important Tests: Standing Vertical Jump and 3/4 Court Sprint
Why: Otto Porter is clearly the top small forward in this class and has shown a much improved jump shot to go with his high basketball IQ and defensive tenacity. But the question is whether he is more Jeff Green or more Scottie Pippen and the answer lies in just how athletic and explosive he truly is at this point. Georgetown’s runs the Princeton offense, so Porter very rarely had the ball in isolation or the pick and roll this year, so there haven’t been many opportunities to see if Porter can explode by defenders. They also don’t get out into transition much, so evaluators don’t have any idea how productive Porter can be in transition.
A fantastic athletic showing at the combine can push Porter into the conversation for the number one overall pick. A poor showing, by contrast, could see him fall the same way Danny Granger and Kawhi Leonard fell in their prospective drafts. A standing vertical of 32-35 inches is probably what is expected. Below that could raise some concerns and a standing vertical higher than 35 inches could do wonders for his draft stock. For the 3/4 sprint, expect something in high 3.2′s, but if he can get under 3.2 (like MKG and Barnes did last year), he will put himself into that #1 pick conversation.
Important Tests: Lane Agility Drill and Height/Wingspan
Why: At this point, nobody questions whether Trey Burke can be an impact player on the offensive end in the NBA. He is one of the craftiest players to enter the draft in the past few years and he has range that extends beyond the NBA three-point line. The question with Burke is whether or not he will be a liability on the other end of the court. Burke is officially listed at 6’0″, with a reported wingspan of 6’5″. As crazy as it seems, an inch one way or the other could mean the difference between Burke being a top-3 pick and falling to the back of the lottery. Ty Lawson and TJ Ford measured just a tad over six feet in shoes, and became first round picks. Meanwhile, Isaiah Thomas slipped all the way to the final pick of the second round in large part because he measured just under 5’11″.
Perhaps even more important, however, is the lane agility drill because it tests a defenders ability to stay in front of his man. It doesn’t matter how tall you are if your man continually blows past you. 11.15 seconds is average for a point guard, and the results of this drill have been a fairly good predictor of defensive success. Last year, Damian Lillard was exactly average, finishing in 11.15 seconds, while Kendall Marshall finished in 12.03 seconds. Lillard figures to be an average defender moving forward, while Marshall will likely always be a liability. For the record, Chris Paul ran an 11.09. Anything similar should bode well for Burke, but 11.25 or over, and teams might begin to worry.
Important Test: Shooting Drill Results
Why: Even if he drills all of these shots, it is not going to completely eliminate concerns about his perimeter game, but it could take it out of the ‘weakness’ column and that could prove huge for Oladipo. But on the flip side, if Oladipo performs poorly in this drill, it will be a major red flag, seeing that good offensive players have either finished in the middle of the pack or higher ever since the combine has started this drill and released the results. Each player takes 25 spot-up NBA three’s, 25 spot-up college three’s, 18 shots off the dribble, and then have a times session where they get off as many 15-18 footers as possible.
Oladipo’s goal should be to shoot 65-70% on his spot-ups and at least 60% in the other two drills for GM’s to feel comfortable with him as a guy who is capable of having an impact in the half court offensively.
Important Tests: Measureables and Bench Press
Why: GM’s need to figure out if Shabazz Muhammad can be a full-time small forward in the NBA. If he can, he will be much more sought after than if he is marginally athletic shooting guard with average perimeter shooting skills. Anything under 6’7″ in shoes will raise some concerns, but an exceptional reach can help offset some of their worries. According to the numbers, height and standing reach are the best predictors of how good of a defender a small forward will be. A standing reach of at least 8’6″ will be necessary to make GM’s feel comfortable about drafting him as a small forward.
Bench press sounds kind of arbitrary and pointless, but it is arguably quite important for Muhammad. Shabazz gets quite a bit of his points in the low post, and while he was able to push smaller defenders around in college, GM’s will have their doubts about him being able to do that in the pros. If he can show considerable strength to go along with solid measurables and athleticism, he can get himself back into that top-5 discussion now that Marcus Smart has pulled out of the draft and the big men are dropping like flies.
Important Tests: Wingspan and Lane Agility
Why: Cody’s brother, Tyler Zeller, started slipping right after the combine due in large part to his shorter than expected wingspan. Zeller’s wingspan was only 7’0″, which was actually a half an inch shorter than his height with shoes. That was more than six inches shorter than Andre Drummond and five inches shorter than Anthony Davis- two guys that measured in at similar heights. His seven foot wingspan was shorter than most power forwards as well, and was shorter than several small forwards like Quincy Miller, who had a 7’1.25″ wingspan. Teams are scared off by a big man with a short wingspan because it usually means that they are going to have a difficult time protecting the rim. The younger Zeller will need a bigger wingspan than his brother if he wants to get himself back into the discussion for a top-5 pick.
Lane agility will be important for Zeller as well, because he projects as more of a power forward in the NBA. He will have to show more in pick and rolls and defend stretch fours in the league, so he will be on the perimeter far more than he was in college. If he can show that he can be a smart, quick defender in the same way that Nick Collison has mastered that role in Oklahoma City, teams will feel more comfortable taking him high. If he has a short wingspan and can’t be one of the more agile bigs in this draft, he will fall in the same way that his brother did last year.
Important Tests: Everything
Why: McCollum hasn’t been seen on a basketball court since January, but reports are that he is 100% after surgery and rehab. Scouts and GM’s will be anxious to see him at the combine, and the fact that he is showing up will be enough to get him back in the discussion for the lottery. Prior to his injury, McCollum was arguably the best scorer in college basketball, and after watching Damian Lillard win Rookie of the Year and Stephen Curry dominate the postseason, McCollum will become a hot name yet again if he shows that he is all the way back on Thursday and Friday.
Other News and Notes
- Nelens Noel (ACL) , Anthony Bennett (Rotator Cuff) , and Alex Len (Ankle) will not be participating in any drills because they are all recovering from surgeries. None of them will be able to participate in individual workouts, either, or play in the Summer League. Basically, a team has to take these guys based on what they see from their college tape. All three of these young men are immensely talented, but bigs have the hardest transition from the college game to the pros, and GM’s need to use every means possible to evaluate their skill set, their work ethic, and their ability to compete. The last one is the most important in my opinion, because the big men in this league who fail often fail because they don’t have the love of the game or the ability to dig deep when the game gets physical. In individual workouts, teams love to pit these guys against each other and see how they respond in certain situations. They won’t get that opportunity now. Oh, and the other reason bigs usually bust? Injuries.
- Cody Zeller could see his stock rise now that these three bigs are unavailable to work out. If he dominates in drills and in workouts against less polished big men, he could become a hot prospect again. But then again, if he gets outplayed in workouts by second rounders, that would be much more detrimental for him than losing an individual workout to Alex Len or Nerlens Noel, so I suppose it could go the other way too.
- People often ask me who I think Dell would target if the Pelicans trade down or acquire another pick, and I think the answer is simple: Jamaal Franklin. There is nobody in this draft that fits what Dell and Monty like more than Franklin, with the possible exception of Victor Oladipo. Oladipo often gets compared to Tony Allen, but if I had to bet on one guy in this draft becoming the next Tony Allen, it would be Franklin. He is the shooting guard version of Kenneth Faried – non-stop energy and hustle, fantastic rebounding and athleticism, and remarkable toughness for a guy who is just around 200 pounds. His lack of offense keeps him from being considered at 5 or 6, but if the Pelicans move back or acquire a pick between 13 and 20, I think Franklin could be the pick.
- Ever since Chad Ford mentioned that the Pelicans have shown some interest in Dario Saric, I have been flooded with questions about him on Twitter. I covered him a bit earlier this year, and Chad Ford went all out hyperbole a couple of weeks ago in comparing him to Magic Johnson. Most mock drafts have him going in the teens, so picking him at 5 or 6 would be a stretch, but I have said for a month now that if the ‘Big Four’ were off the board, then don’t be surprised by anything the Pelicans do. Perhaps a trade down with Utah could work. Utah has picks 14 and 21, plus a young guy in Alec Burks that would be a great backup two. Saric might not be around at 14, but that would be a possibility. Saric at 14 and Franklin at 21 would be a home run for Dell and Monty.
Then again, if Saric can show a more consistent stroke in offseason workouts, or if the Pelicans like the idea of stashing a guy for a year, then maybe Saric could be the pick at 6. If they can stash him, that opens about $3 million in additional cap room and it allows Monty to focus his attention on developing Davis, Miller, and Rivers without having to dedicate extra time to another 19 year old. Bring in some young vets, win next year, then bring Saric over in 2014 after he has had another year of seasoning. Now he just has to be a small piece on a team that is already good, rather than a big piece on a bad team. That’s the way the Spurs do it, and they have been fairly successful I would say.
- Speaking of foreign prospects, most of the foreigners expected to go in the first round will not participate in the combine for a variety of reasons. The only ones who will be there are Rudy Gobert and Dennis Schroeder. Schroeder is one of the hottest prospects in the draft right now after killing it at the Nike Hoop Summit and Gobert is a 20 year old who will likely have the longest wingspan at the combine (7’9″). Both are currently projected to go in the middle of the first round currently, but who knows how high they could climb with impressive showings this week.
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now that the combine is on, get we get a follow up article with some info about how the prospects did on the specified tests?
ok the one I'm suprised to not see here is mcw who definitely will be sweating out the shooting drills. he's definitely someone to consider if we get into a worst case scenario like falling to 6 or 7. rather have him than someone like shabaz. would also think that along with the abovementioned shroder, who looks awesome, and saric, that he'd be a good trade-down candidate.
Do the Pelicans own a 2nd round pick? I'd really like us to get Phil Pressey. I'm a Mizzou fan, but he reminds me, at times, of Mike Conley when he was in college. If he doesn't get picked in the draft, I'd really like for him to work out with the Pelicans.
I'd love to trade down if we dont get one of the top 4 and pick Dennis Schroder. He looks like the exact type of point that Monty and Dell are looking for. 6'2 with a 6'8 wingspan with amazing speed and quickness. Great in transition, pass first, good jump shot, and a smothering defender. If we were to get those Jazz picks I think we should go with Schroder at 14 and then take a chance on potential with the 21st with either another international player or glenn rice
If we are stuck with the 5th or 6th pick, I think we should draft Dario Saric and stash him for a year along with Edin Bavcic. Play out this year and get another high pick next year so that we can draft Wiggins/Parker/Smart/Randle/Gordon/other. If we could trade Eric Gordon, this could be a really young and exciting team.
The two most interesting prospects to me are Dennis Schroeder & Glen Rice Jr. The little bit I've seen of Schroeder, he keeps reminding of Kyle Lowry but with a pass-first mentality. And Rice's stat line & film is way too impressive to ignore
I view Mason Plumblee and Cody Zeller as virtual clones, with the possibility that Mason will be more athletic and have a longer wingspan than Cody. I would not be surprised to see these two get picked back-to-back or very close to it. I hope we don't pick either but including one without the other confuses me.
just read that mcw opted out of those drills, guess his agent felt he was going to lower his stock that way.
Personally, I want to pick up more shooters so I can win some NBA 2K14 games against the Miami spam Ray Allen three's and Lebron. so I say we trade back to 14 and 21. Pick up Schroder maybe trade 14 back some(to like 17-20) if possible pick up a second rounder or a old vet with knowledge to spread or be cut(Rip Hamiltion has a team option). Then at 21 select Bullock(6'7") to be our Klay Thompson at the three with better defense. That may give us too many young guys.But at one point, 2009, OKC had (4)Durant, (2)Westbrook, (1)Harden, (3)Green and (5)Ibaka. That would be one scary lineup now probably that would play a fast paced Mark Jackson's golden state style. Now, with my suggestions (1)Schroder, (2) Gordon,(3) Bullock, (4)Anderson, (5)Davis would thrive in a Mark Jackson style team. As would sixth man Rivers,(7)Miller. (8) Aminu(at power forward) (9)Mason(don't think he's returning)(10) Vasquez as a point forward or 2 remember his half court alley oops to Aminu and Davis (11) Roberts(not a fan)(12) Lance Thomas works hard(and buys fries) so he can fit in any system as a role player. Amundson and smith could work with their effort but would only be for spot minutes. But Lopez, Smith, Mason, Roberts, or Amundson could be traded to a contender needing great role players and we could receive a solid athletic big like Hickson(played the 5 for portland), patterson (kings) or a sniper like Jimmer, john salmons, or Redick(sign & trade?). Amundson and Smith would only leave is necessary to complete the trade. This faster paced system negates lack of height Also a fast paced system puts more fans in the stands because people like exciting basketball. (1)Schroder, Rivers, Gordon, Jimmer (2)Gordon, (Redick?, Hamilton?, Salmons) Rivers, Jimmer (3)Bullock, Vasquez, and Miller (4)Anderson, Davis, and Aminu,(super small Bullock?) (5) Davis, Hickson?, Smith? Amundson? You can't tell me this wouldn't be a fun team to watch or play with on 2K14. Best current online lineup on 2k13 (1)Gordon (2) Mason (3)Miller (4)Anderson (5)(injured)Davis (6th)Vasquez subs 1-3 Geaux Pelicans
Zeller is much more offensively versatile (has a jump shot, more post moves & a nice face up game). Plumlee's a better athlete but his biggest impact will come on the defensive end. Both run the floor well and attack the glass. That's their only similarities. (Oh, and they're both tall and white)
I think there are significant differences between the two. Zellers is a much more skilled player while Plumlee has the better physical attributes.
Plumblee is longer armed, stronger, tougher, older, and a better defender. Zeller is more polished offensively. To me, these are distinctions without a difference. They are both solid but not spectacular second team NBA bigs, like higher draft pick Tyler Hansbrough who averaged 17 minutes/game with a PER of 15 in this his third year.