I know we need another player at the 3 or SF spot...how would a sign and trade deal work between the Hornets (Carl Landry) and Warriors (Brandon Rush)? Rush can play the 2 or 3 and is a good shooter and Warriors have shown interest in Landry so lets just swap players? Is that possible?
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Hornets OFFICIALLY obtain Robin Lopez and Hakim Warrick
After two days of confusion, the three-team trade sending Robin Lopez and Hakim Warrick (and $1.15 million) to the Hornets has become official. In exchange, the Hornets will send Brad Miller and Jerome Dyson to Phoenix, and Minnesota will receive the two second round picks that were originally sent to the Hornets in the initial Brad Miller trade.
In addition, the Suns will receive a Wesley Johnson and a lottery protected 1st round pick from the Timberwolves. Robin Lopez (24 years old) will reportedly sign a 3-year contract worth around $15 million. Hakim Warrick (30 years old) will make $4 million in 2012-13, and has a team option for another $4 million in 2013-14.
Though the trade is official, I haven’t talked to one person who understands how or why it is legal. The CBA explicitly states that “teams cannot trade players for two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player’s salary with the salaries of other players for teams over the salary cap.” The Hornets must aggregate the salaries of Miller and Dyson to bring back the salaries of Lopez and Warrick and are over over the salary cap, so the CBA clearly says that trading the two together is illegal. We’ll have to wait and see where the loophole is that makes this trade permissable, no one seems to have an answer at the moment.
UPDATE (7/27/12 at 2:30 PM) – Dell Demps has just provided clarity to the situation at hand regarding the legality of today’s trade. Because Brad Miller was received by NOLA using room under the salary cap (not an exception), they were allowed to trade him immediately with another player. Though it was unclear in the CBA FAQ, the Hornets being over the cap right now does not matter as long as the player being dealt was received at the time by using cap space. (We’ll ask Mr. Coon to include that in his excellent site for future reference.)
I’ve hit you with enough on this trade over the past 48 hours, so I’ll leave it at this for now. Everyone can take comfort in knowing the deal is done, and the Hornets finally have a legitimate center on a pretty good contract despite giving up next to nothing for him! Great work once again by Dell Demps the Chessmaster.
Dell Demps said that the Hornets are close to finishing the roster up. Who do you think the Hornets are going after? Think it'd be a back up SG? I wouldn't mind seeing Willie Green or Michael Redd. Heard we are interested in Mason too.
anderson, davis n smith will all start 2gether. we also need a solid back up sg since e.g. is so injury prone. a solid back up pg is needed also. if vasquez is in foul trouble or hurt we are in trouble. what do u think my hornet fans?
Do we have the cap space flexibility to sign veterans SGs like either Redd or Mason without having to release any current players on the roster? If so do you give up on the X. Henry experiment?
Awesome. Do you think you guys could do a post with a timeline of trades and moves by demps and the guys since the CP3 trade and how each one allowed us to get the guys we have now?
Compared to last year's CP3, Shinn/NBA ownership fiasco, it's amazing the difference 1 year makes. All of this speculation about who will play where and analyzing Demps' wizardry or lack thereof is FUN, pure and simple. It's great to be a Hornets fan again. The one thing I'd like to offer about the line up issue (which this discussion demonstrates is very murky given the various talent the Hornets now have among players 6' 8" and taller) is that starting line-ups in the NBA are important, but are becoming less and less important as the years go by. Assuming the roster is now set (which is a big "if" with Demps in charge) I can't imagine having Davis and Lopez on the roster and not starting them at the 4 and 5. But much more important than starting lineups are minutes and matchups. I do think because of their speed and athleticism Davis and Warrick (and to a much lesser extent Darius Miller) will all play some minutes at SF this year. And Jason Smith is going to do exactly what he did last year, which is to play a lot of backup minutes both at C and PF. And don't be surprised to occasionally even see this lineup on the court this season: Gordon at PG, Anderson at the 2, Warrick at SF, Smith at PF and Davis at C. Of course this would never be a starting lineup, but we're going to see a lot of strange lineups coming off the bench this season, especially while these players develop and gel as a team and while Monty is learning their strengths and weaknesses.
I was beginning to wonder why the lineup was important... Last season's starting 2 and 3 were Belinelli and Ariza.. And in the majority of games where they were the starters we immediately got behind within 3 minutes.. Then on occasions Belinelli would get got and so would Ariza... Another thing that was noticable was Coach's perpensity to rotate often... But we are very long causing matchup problems for other teams.. Let's just say Davis is on the Olympic team and not starting.. The kid and the other kid, Davis and Rivers are one year out of high school now playing with men... I think their preparation will put them on the floor... From what I say you earn your minutes and we don't have to play certain players by default... We now have better players... Whereas last season we lost games throwing bricks and not having the talent nor matchups to close... So Lopez wasn't chosen to dominate at the position and what I have seen Jason Smith is no slouch plus he has a sweet outside shot... It's up to him to determine whether he can be moved from whatever position he plays... We also have reduced our matchup probems and I remember Warrick from college... both needed new digs... Lopez had problems in the rotation playing behind Gortat and Channing Frye... He is coming to a better situation with more money... now we can play faster and shoot better.... let's not mention Eric Gordon....
i think Lopez will have a rather decent season in NOH. He will certainly provide some toughness and strength on the defensive end. He wont be anywhere near his brother, Brook, but he will still be exciting to watch. Robin will probably be mentioned as in the running for the NBA most improved player award.
I'm trying to keep an open mind about Robin. He's priced a little high for a backup, but if he can spell Davis and we can flip him in the 2013-2014 season then he was a fine rental. If he can become half a Tyson, we win. It's a good calculated risk for the team. I'm absolutely fine with the move, but I'll let time tell me the story. It is exciting, and he was cheaper than keeping Kaman.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you. Davis is far better skilled that JKw3ame Brown ever was. just remember he was just a 6'2"point guard in his freshman year in high school before he shot up 9 inches. I think he will not be ready to start right away because I still think he is still trying to get used to his body and although he has wealth, he does not look that he has the strength to battle down low in the NBA game.
Mike D, Just like how Michael Jordan didn't make his highschool team one year as well, but turned out to be the best player ever.
Yes, I agree that AD has some skills which most bigs don't have. Before he had his growth spurt, only one school in the country---Cleveland State, was recruiting him. So, it's not as if he was an elite player before his growth spurt. He wasn't.
Davis will start, he is already our best defensive player. Anderson will start at center uunless we are matched up against a big c. He will take opposing centers out of the lane with his jumper. Lopez is a bench center for now but he will have some run for sure. Hakima can play SF and pf he's just too skinny to play pf ALL THE time. Jason smith will come off the benchas our c or pf. We are extremely versatile. If rivers learns to passwatch out
Anthony Davis is big enough to play PF & C all the time but Hakim Warrick is not not? Also do you think he can play on the wing, because I dont
Who said Davis is ready to play C and PF all the time? It is all about match ups. He can definitely play C against Marcus Camby but can he play against a C like Howard. Hakim Warrick is not big enough to bang with the likes of Duncan. its just matchups. The Heat went through 10 different starting lineups throughout the playoffs until something worked. That is the beauty of their players, LeBron could play C against the Pacers because Hibbert is slow and only has a hook shot. Davis is our best defensive player protecting the rim with his instincts. I would not pull him too far away from the basket as a SF
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Although Okefor, Landry, Jack, Belinelli, Ariza were all nba caliper players, none of them were championship caliper talents. Davis and Gordon might be. We could be one player away from having three. Then we might be able to compete against elite teams!
Oh, that bit about you " not being fully versed in unconventional logic ". Guess that means we are. Don't even know what to say about that other than I hope your tampon supply is sufficient to your needs.
MM, usually enjoy your stuff, not today. Frolo's per 36 stats about 14 & 8, plus he put 21 & 7 on us & looked good doing it. Nobody here thinks he's all star material, but we're glad to have him. Let us be. I read " temper our optimism " as raining on our parade.
For those folks who talk about AD playing SF, why would you take him away from the basket? He needs to be in or around the paint to take advantage of his shot blocking skills, not guarding someone out on the wing. IMO you won't be able to play Anderson and Lopez together very much. Neither guy has quick feet or can guard the rim. I'm also dubious about Anderson playing much 3 on the defensive end unless AD has his back in the paint. Anderson, AD, Smith, and Lopez will take all of the minutes at the 4 and 5 positions.
Is there still an sign and trade with Carl Landry going to the Bobcats and could Henry be part of that trade for cap relief?
Cont. Not saying that Lopez will turn into a double double Center, but we should see improvement! After all he's a 7'0, 24yr old Center with 6 fouls....he should make something happen defensively like a "Roy Hibbert space eating" type mode!
Gentry doesn't develop players. He just lets them play, which is why the players like him but they won't win. The easiest job a coach can have is have a PG that makes plays on the floor. Dragic and Marshall will do that for him. They just don't care about the development of bigs there. Some teams aren't built to develop big men. Phoenix, Golden State, Milwaukee, I could go on. Basically the coaches run plays around their big men and they become trash collectors around the rim. Think David Lee, Channing Frye, Gortat, Biedrins, Mbah a Moute. Ilyasova has some game but that came from being a wing player in Europe.
Gentry is not(and I Repeat) is not a Coach! He has no legit philosophy and his players never develope under his coaching! Think about those players drafted under his staff. Where are they career wise?
or..... Rivers/vasquez Gordon/henry Anderson/aminu Davis/warrick Lopez/smith Lopez, Davis n Anderson have 2 all start together. it makes the most sense n it makes us big. it also makes up for havin a 6'3 shooting guard.
I don't see Lopez starting over Jason Smith. I think it will be: Vasquez, EG, Aminu, Anderson, J Smith AD will play an awful lot, but I think he will come off the bench as well as Lopez. This will change mid year.
Lopez makes 5 mil, J Smith makes 2 mil. Lopez will start whether you like it or not. The bottom line is we'll take our lumps this year while everyone learns their role on the team. We'll have about 30 something wins. Next year, we'll have another lottery pick and add another piece to the puzzle. If we get another #1, it will be Nerlens in Nawlins. We'll see how the draft class of 2013 shakes out. Warrick, Henry and Smith (all have team options or buyouts) come off the books and so maybe Ibaka or another defensive big comes in. Then we get back to the playoffs.
Ps keep in mind that at least one of the scorers davis rivers and gordon will be on the floor at any given time. You gotta keep the offense moving. Monty's job will depend on how well he can keep up the rotation being that all three of our scorers have been injured in the past.
if they dont start Anderson n Davis together, i would start Warrick @ sf. which is an upgrade for Aminu. n i still say Davis @ sf is better then Anderson. Anderson is 2 slow to guard sf's in this league. Davis is quick, can dibble n shoot. My 5 again..... Vasquez Gordon Davis Anderson Lopez
Ok here's the starting five pg rivers sg gordon Sf aminu pf anderson c davis reserves. Vaquez miller henry and lopez thats all you see. Trying to lineup a depth chart is pointless.
Rivers over Vasquez? Maybe in a couple of years but not right away... No smith? He is too good and has progressed so far not to continue to get 20min a game...
Rivers has the quickness and play making ability that Vasquez doesn't. That's why he starts. As far as Jason Smith, he doesn't have an identity. When asked if he wanted to play center he said that he would rather be a PF. Lopez knows his position. He's a CENTER, A 7 FOOT CENTER!!! If you're a 7 ft. PF like Smith, you have to do more than pick and pop, and that about his only offensive skill at this time. One more thing to consider. Davis got drafted because he's the best player in the draft. Rivers got drafted because we need firepower, a player who can get his own shot when Monty limits the number of possessions. Eric Gordon was the only player before the draft who could do this. Now Rivers can. His challenge will be to incorporate Anderson and Davis and spread the floor. Davis would match up in our division with Dirk, Duncan and Randolph among others. He will need help to be a threat with the ball. At this point, he can board and block, and that is needed if Rivers and Gordon will force shots and Anderson shoots 39% from 3pt.
Maybe Lopez will come to the Hornets with a chip on his shoulder. Maybe he'll be excited about the opportunity to be part of something bigger than him and up his game. Monty instructing him will definitely get the maximum out of him. If these dudes come in and jell together, it will be interesting to watch. A health EG with his head on straight can shock a lot of folks. Monty will drive home the TEAM message and won't allow egos to take over. I think we're definitely on the right road. Dell is proving to be a GM worth noting.