New Orleans Pelicans Afternoon Bullets: Vasquez, Rondo, Bledsoe, Burke, and more

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Published: May 29, 2013
Greivis Vasquez Magic

Rumors and speculation fly fast and furious this time of year, and today is centered mostly on point guards. Let’s take a look at some stories flying around the interweb:

– Bradford Doolittle proposes a Rajon Rondo for Greivis Vasquez and the sixth pick swap in his latest piece. I have proposed something similar recently, but strongly felt that it would take more than that to land an All-NBA caliber player.

– Chad Ford said that the Magic would be willing to give up Aaron Afflalo and take back Caron Butler’s salary just to get Eric Bledsoe. In the past, I have looked into Bledsoe’s trade value, and even had a deal proposed that sent Afflalo to the Clips.

– If Bledsoe goes to Orlando, the door would be left wide open for Trey Burke to become a Pelican. Looking at how the draft stands right now, it is hard to see anybody else in the top five taking him. According to nola.com, the Pelicans would be interested if he were there.

– John Reid proposes a move up to #3 to get Otto Porter. I would be on board with that, with one exception: That trade would be impossible. You can’t agree to a trade that is dependant on trading a guy not even on your roster. Other than that, I like the overall idea of moving up to secure a player that fills your greatest need.

So, a couple of interesting things to discuss. Thoughts?

73 comments
lsutigers33
lsutigers33

Like the Rondo value if his health is good.  

isthisyourhomeworklarry
isthisyourhomeworklarry

Call me crazy...Iverson? 

Pros: Got something to prove. 

Cons: Well, you know...geez....he's...well....

hornet21
hornet21

I've been a Hornets/Pelicans fan for the past 18 years. That being said, this team has made some of the dumbest personnel moves in the history of the NBA.  How nice would it be to have Darren Collison running the point and have Marcus Thornton coming off the bench?  The Pelicans could be right where the Pacers are right now. 

HollisBuckeye21
HollisBuckeye21

Vasquez and and Pick 6 for Rondo is something I would likely pull the trigger. I really like Burke, but I think Rondo has the ability to do some special things and how can we assure Burke is there at six? If point guard were to be the option. I'm a little more hesitant though than I would be a handful of months ago. Rondo coming off the ACL is scary, and we saw what Rose did with his recovery.


That scares me. I don't know if Rondo would do that or not, but I can't help but think it. Rose is likely a Bull for his career. Would Rondo spend the rest of his career in New Orleans? I don't know. That would be tough to lose a year. However, I would still make the trade. I'd just be a little nervous about Rondo's recovery. But, I'd love to add him.

CoReMeGa
CoReMeGa

I wouldn't take Rondo now! He will use next season to pull a Derrick Rose and recover, leaving the Pels with 1 season left on his contract. This draft scares the crap out of me but we hopefully won't have a pick this high again for a very long time.

I like the thought of using Vasquez off the bench, take best player available this yr and trade next yrs pick while other teams think we're still gonna stink. Be smart in free agency and continue to build around AD and Ryno!

ljoseph242001
ljoseph242001

If i can get Rondo then i would do it in a second even though i think it is wishful thinking ...as for the magic deal i was happy when i heard the news i want them to take Bledose not a big fan of his i am content with taking Burke at 6 i think he can be an All Star with his work ethic and Monty as his coach to push him on the defense side of the ball and i know this is off topic but do you think about Tyreke Evans would be a good fit at the three he is long and athlete and won't get max deal in my opinon   

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

No ones talking about Jennings imo i think he needs to be in  a serious coaching enviorment like the Pels. Monty Williams brings a strong christian approch to players would be great to get Cousins he's a bigger center than Lopez and can score.This guy deserve to be in a mature enviorment just like Jennings.

daThRONe
daThRONe

1. Don't think Boston trades Rondo for so little assets. Not sure how Ainge view this draft, however when so many report come out about how so many execs view this draft I can't think it's too high.

2. That trade would be ideal for both parties. Magic can continue their rebuild and have good young players at every position that ideally mature all around the same time. The Clippers turn depth at CP3's position into a player that should fit perfectly in the starting line up with him.

3. Great as I've said all along Trey Burke the best player in this draft.

4. Do not want Porter. His upside is far too low IMO. to take top 7 let alone to trade up to get. No thank you.

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

I know I'm gonna catch hell for this one....

RONDO > BLEDSOE

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

So the Magic will trade Afflalo to acquire Bledsoe?

Then they're DEFINITELY picking McLemore.

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

If the Pels don't upgrade the pg with a veteran well Demps have to b e the dumbest gm in NBA.

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

Rondo for the 6th i'll take it he's an all star and will be ready for opening day wheres the downside?

Josh from downaroad
Josh from downaroad

Dream scenario wold be draft Trey Burke at 6, get a 6'6 3 and D shooting guard to start at the 2, trade EG plus our 2014 unprotected pick for Paul George, move Ryno to the starting power forward spot, and have Anthony Davis start at the 5. We keep Rivers to be a backup pg or trade chip, have GV be our 6th man/third guard and play a Manu Ginobli type role for us, keep Darius Miller as our backup 3 and continue to develop him, move J-Smitty back to his more natural position as a backup PF, and keep Lopez a our backup big bodied center to bang with the big boys. Keep Roberts, Mason, Thomas, and Amundson to round out our roster. This gives us a Playoff team immediately. While also being young enough to improve over the next 3 or 4 years for our championship RUNS. Also our core or Burke George Anderson and Davis would be signed up for the next 4-5 years 

Houpgarou
Houpgarou

As a huge Bledsoe fan, my heart just sunk when I read that rumor because, as other posters have pointed out, the trade makes so much sense for both sides. (My spirits were temporarily lifted when I laughed my a$$ off reading the Reid piece, though I didn't understand why he didn't also propose including x Henry, mopete and bonzi wells to sweeten the deal. Wtf times pic?!?,, you fired two thirds of your writers but moe and Larry keep jobs?! ( curly got promoted to play by play))

Our only hope on the magic front is to swap pieces with them. Gordon, Lopez and 6 for aflalo Harris and 2 and flip aflalo for Bledsoe? If they really like Burke and or Gordon they might

Lopez Vasquez and 6 for Harris and 2? Doesn't get us Bledsoe but this still get Burke in this scenario and maybe pass on Bledsoe.

They do have duplication with Harris and harkless so possibly one of those young studs could be available for 3 hungry team

jsl05
jsl05

It seems that most either love the potential Rondo deal or hate it. I'm somewhat lukewarm about it.

What worries me is the fact that he tore his ACL and that we'll be paying him about $11 million and paying our other guard, who is very injury-prone, about $14 million. That's too much money tied in there and could potentially be a horrid way to spend ~$25 million. I'd rather go with a guard in the draft (CJ, Burke, MCW, Schroeder).

People seem to want to rush the rebuild. We need to take it slow and build a team that will have "sustained success." We don't need to make the playoffs next season; it's only year 2 of the rebuild (the lockout year doesn't count). The key is spending wisely.

Houpgarou
Houpgarou

Ummm, actually they wouldn't. Pacers are where they at because they are long athletic and play fierce d.uch as I love em, those two didn't do that. Indy jettisoned dc cuz he didn't fit into their scheme

daThRONe
daThRONe

@Papa Pelican 

I don't want to pay big money to a guy who needs to rely on his environment to mature. I love guys like Burke, Oladipo, or MKG because they love getting better. You don't have to force them into improving or buying into winning ways. Especially not guards. If this was a big with insane physical gift maybe, but the guy who has the ball in his hands no way.

daThRONe
daThRONe

@Caffeinedisaster 

Why would you catch hell? I don't know how anybody would say right now otherwise.

Now who's better for this team moving forward is up for discussion IMO.

Jared Ennis
Jared Ennis

@Houpgarou I saw/went to a lot of Magic games this year. They really like Harris and want him to play the 4. They also are really high on Harkless. I don't see either of them being moved. They feel like they have a solid core of Vucevic, Harris, Harkless, and Nicholson.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara moderator

@jsl05 Two things I disagree with. 

1.) Gordon should have NOTHING to do with your decision making process. You don't pass on a trade you would otherwise make because you made a mistake on Gordon. Now, you are compounding the Gordon mistake. That deal is done, it should have no effect on the next deal. I hear this all the time when people say "We can't give Gordon away for scraps because he was the key part of the CP3 deal." What does one have to do with the other?

2. "Rush the rebuild" does not apply to a 27 year old point guard in my opinion. Bringing in a guy like Iguodala, an older guy whose game is dependant on athleticism would be rushing the rebuild. Rondo does not qualify IMO. The way I see it, I am 99% positive that Rondo will be better than any of those rookie PG's over the next 5 years. 70% sure he will be better than them in years 6-8. So, if we are talking about being better 9 years from now, then yes, IF those guys pan out, they might make us better at that point, but I wouldn't even hesitate to acquire Rondo if there was even a chance and I highly doubt Dell would either. 

hornet21
hornet21

@Houpgarou 

I was referring more to the blueprint that Indiana laid. I was using those 2 players as examples of the bad trades that they made. 

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

I don't think Jennings is a mx player but if he's willing to take $8 million over $10 million i understand.Bledsoe i would like to see traded because he's under contract and the Pels can extend his contract cheap.

daThRONe
daThRONe

@Caffeinedisaster @daThRONe 

His work ethic is insane, he's coachable, he's smart, he comes from a stable family, he'll skilled beyond his years at his position, and most importantly he hates losing with a passion, but at the same time can still be a great teammate.

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

BTW, I LOVE that the video preview comes up instead of a link.  KUDOS to the guys in the site redesign!

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

@daThRONe @Caffeinedisaster There are lots of Bledsoe fans out there, myself included.  While he's excellent at defense, he doesn't measure up to the leadership of Rondo.

The ACL thing doesn't worry me as Rondo's game is not about athleticism, but craftiness.

If BLEDSOE had an ACL injury, stick a fork in him.

Houpgarou
Houpgarou

Unfortunately when I was dreaming about trades with magic, I hadn't looked at their cap situation and hadn't realized they were saddled with so many bad and or questionable contracts. Can't see them taking on Gordon unless we take crap back, they might not be able to take on Lopez, though he or greivis might be right in the wheelhouse of what they can afford

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara moderator

@Jared Ennis @Houpgarou Those guys ceilings are C+/B- players in my opinion. Teams fall in love with their own guys and miss the window when they have the most trade value. Personally, I don't think Tobias Harris's value will ever be higher than it is right now. He put up fake numbers on a horrible team and is still on a good contract. I would move him ASAP if I was Orlando, but I know they won't

vbamz
vbamz

@Michael McNamara @jsl05 number 2) the Celtics were not really better without him in the season (went 13-16 to end the season after going 8-1 on a home-heavy schedule). Definitely not in the postseason. It was the offense (mid-range jumper heavy) that was ineffective. No other season was he detrimental to their offense; that team (last season Celtics) wasn't very good period (probably because of new players and older players declining factoring in) can't blame him solely.

jsl05
jsl05

My problems with Rondo:

1) He's missing offseason workouts, training camp, and maybe part of the season. The chemistry will not develop.

2) He stops the flow of the offense; that is why the Celtics were better without him in the season.

3) He's a guy that can't be in at the end of the game with his FT shooting.

4) Not a big concern, but this is where the "rushing the rebuild" comes in: What happens to Rivers? Does he get adequate playing time? Does he get to prove himself?

My idea for a rebuild is to use all your draft picks to build a core. No big contracts. Then, go get the big fish to help this developing team reach the top.

The ideal situation would be to do the Gordon-Deng trade. Draft whomever. Let Deng leave next offseason. Get the big fish.

Houpgarou
Houpgarou

Actually, gm dell demps record with trades is pretty damn nice, though he did have to give up some assets to clear all the terrible contracts bower gave out. Noe the hornets salary sheet is a thing of beauty, all team options and value contracts

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

The reason i say the Lakers could be rebuliding and try to trade Gasol at least because with Kobe wont be ready to play agin til january the earliest.After all D Howard could be somewhere else anyway.

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

@daThRONe @Papa Pelican A shoot-first PG can work, but only if done CONSISTENTLY. (see Curry/Westbrook)

Jennings doesn't have that kind of consistency with his scoring.

Lakers will amnesty MWP, and most likely trade Pau. 

Would shock the hell out of me if they actually amnestied/traded Kobe though.  :)

daThRONe
daThRONe

@Papa Pelican 

With Kobe ,Nash, Gasol, and MWP the Lakers can't even being the rebuilding process. They can only amnesty Kobe(not going to happen), Gasol or MWP.

Not sure what markets Jennings had in mind or which cities he view as large markets, however I think I can safely assume that that list doesn't include NOLA.

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

What big market he talking about because he wont be with the Knicks unless the Bucks would be dumb enough to take Stodumire's bad contrace in a sign in trade,the Lakers at this point is in rebuliding mode,the Clips thats CP3 team and Mavs is the last resort for Jennings.

Papa Pelican
Papa Pelican

At the same time i like that the Pels are so much like the Saints because they've high character guys and no one is egotistic.Jennings is a headcase but after everything you've said i perfer Burke in the draft of Bledsoe via trade.

daThRONe
daThRONe

@Papa Pelican 

Of course if you can get Jennings at a great value you'd be crazy to turn that down. However as much as dude has talked about playing in big markets I don't see that happening.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara moderator

@daThRONe @Michael McNamara @Jared Ennis @Houpgarou Fake stats don't mean the guy is horrible, it just means his stats do not accurately depict how good he is. He is not an 18ppg player in this league if he is on a team that actually matters that opponents are actually scouting for. 

When you get on the scouting report and other teams take you seriously, trying to shut you down, and you still put up numbers; then I think your numbers reflect who you are. 

Darren Collison averaged 18 and 9 as a starter for us. Those were fake numbers. He is solid, but he aint 18 and 9. Dell sold him at his peak. I would do the same if I were the Magic. 

Houpgarou
Houpgarou

Caffeine,

I don't ever operate under an assumption that an NBA gm must always be correct. I cant tell you why mil brain trust gave up on him, but I can say that a player who shows he can block shots in the NBA, rebound, and create his own shot at 20 is someone not to be dismissed, regardless of bad team # inflation

504ever
504ever

@Caffeinedisaster @Houpgarou  

Yeah, but that frees up Reddick now and he would be a nice piece for us (quality player and lock presence)  if don't add any other SGs.

Caffeinedisaster
Caffeinedisaster

@Houpgarou Why did Milwaukee trade him?  For a rental of Reddick in a postseason that they had NO CHANCE.

Houpgarou
Houpgarou

I understand the big numbers on a bad team thing, but in this season wether we try and assess the capabilities of 19 and 20 yr olds, it's hard not to raise an eyebrow at a 20 year old Harris who blocked 1.5 shots grabbed 8.5 bds and showed an offensive game which included an ability to get past people and create his own shots. His problem is that lik Bennett, he's a classic tweeter who is too slow to guard at the 3 but is not big enough to bang.

Still I think at his age it's unfair to pigeonhole him into a letter grade when he's still developing and is in the infant stages of his nba career. We'd be ecstatic to see that potential in the 20 y olds on our roster.

He's def a great asset for a gm to have in the war chest. Harkless is more of a classic 3 and Monty type player, but I think he's probly untouchable

macs21
macs21

@Michael McNamara 

I dunno if i'd say they were entirely fake numbers. He was putting up decent ones when he got a little burn for the Bucks at the end of the 11/12 season. Plus he was shooting decent %'s which is usually a reasonable sign that he'd be able to convert his performace to a slightly smaller role on a better team.
However, if we did trade for him I'd imagine you could reasonably expect something like 12/7 on 9 shots a game with similar defensive numbers to Aminu. He'd have to bump his 3 pt shooting up to about 35% for me to really want him starting at SF for the Pels though.

Agree on his value being at an all time high though. That being the case, I don't see us being able to put together something (unless they're interested in Gordon) that they would value high enough to send us Afflalo or Harris + their #2 pick..

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara moderator

@jsl05 Now, those are solid reasons. In order, 2 worries me the most, 4 a little bit, 3 and 1 not so much. 


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