I love Ayon, and think this deal helps him get more playing time than he would have behind Davis and will bolster his career. I hope that is another reason Dell did it this way. When players see that playing for delMonte helps their career (like playing for Poppovich) they won't mind coming to play here..... I'm also happy we got a player ranked highly in efficiency. Besides Okafor and Ayon, nobody on our roster (including Gordon, Smith, and Aminu) are above average in Wins Produced. Davis and Ryan should both be way above average....
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Ryan Anderson to Hornets in Sign-And-Trade
The Hornets’ tensely-awaited first move after July 1, a sign-and-trade for the NBA’s 2011-2012 Most Improved Player, strengthens their bid for 2012-2013 Most Improved Franchise.
The Hornets will officially complete a sign-and-trade with Orlando restricted free agent Ryan Anderson, the NBA’s 2011-2012 Most Improved Player.
The Hornets will send the 27 year-old Gustavo Ayon to Orlando in the deal.
Chuck reports that Adrian Wojnarowski reports that the 4-year deal is worth $36m.
Sam Amick now reports that the deal is worth $34m total, not $36m. With the maximum allowed 4.5% of first year salary increases, the deal is approximately structured as $8m initially with $0.36m raises. If the deal is worth more or has smaller raises, the initial figure is larger.
This deal does not affect the Hornets’ ability to match the offer for Eric Gordon, should that offer be signed. We’ll update the salary figures when the salary structure is released, but as of now we have about $36m committed, and about $44m there factoring in the rookies and the roster charge, with Gordon factoring in another $9.6m at this point. This leaves only about $5m left if we renounce our players, at least until the Gordon situation is resolved. Signing him to a max deal will obliterate the remaining potential cap space.
As the salaries do not match, it could be the Hornets are operating under the cap already, forgoing the use of certain exceptions this season. It could also be that the Hornets will create an exception in a sign-and-trade deal for Eric Gordon for a player and a pick or two. Dudley and Warrick have salaries that fit the profile. This would create a net effect of Gordon and Ayon for Anderson, a player, and a pick or two. There may be other scenarios, of course.
Could it be that this deal hints at the resolution of the Eric Gordon situation?
Ryan James Anderson was born in California and played college basketball at UC Berkeley, leading the PAC-10 in scoring (21.6 ppg) in 2007-2008. He was selected 21st overall in the 2008 NBA draft by the New Jersey Nets, earning the starting job partway through his rookie season. He was traded to Orlando in 2009 where he started at power forward in place of . . . Rashard Lewis.
The 6′ 10″, 240 pound power forward has posted WS/48 of .217 and 0.219 in his past 2 seasons, which should be compared to an expectation of 0.1 (or just slightly under). His true shooting percentage over the same span is 0.590. He hit the 3 at over 39% during this span, with over 8 attempts per 36 minutes, and has a 85% free throw percentage of over 85% for his career.
The 24 year-old’s defense has been fine, and his other “forward” skills are acceptable, but his ability to score from different positions is the distinguishing aspect of his game. He is also a very good offensive rebounder (top 30 in the NBA for those playing at least 10 games in terms of offensive rebounding percentage).
The Ryan Anderson Manifesto breaks down what is and is not good about Ryan as of party through last season.
From Joe, who is working on some Lance Thomas stuff:
Anderson will provide the Hornets with a big man who can shoot from deep- something Monty Williams repeatedly stressed he wanted during training camp last season. A player of Anderson’s three point shooting caliber provides the ability to draw defenders away from the paint, creating more space in the middle of the floor.
A front court of Anderson and Davis would ideally do best with a true drive and kick guy. While Eric Gordon isn’t the greatest passer, he’s definitely capable of finding the open man. If the Hornets do retain him, expect to see a lot of the drive and kick in the coming years.
While some will argue that Davis and Anderson are too small to bang with the true big men in the NBA, there really aren’t too many teams with dominant centers on the offensive end. Expect the Hornets to add a relatively low paid center with some girth and height to contain guys like Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Greg Stiemsma’s name has been mentioned, and he would fit that role well.
This post will be updated as the story grows. Look for a profile of Anderson later by someone else, and I’m sure our own Ryan and Mike will talk about him on the upcoming podcast (unless they did it early).
Updates in the comments are appreciated (appreciate you, Chuck).
– Ryan Anderson was #2 on my list, right behind Illysova. Once Illysova re-signed with Milwaukee, Hornets got a guy who was just as good offensively and is a better fit defensively. Read that link to see why.
– FT shooting is underrated in this league. Dallas was elite for years and won a title, last year, in large part because Tyson actually started to knock down his free throws. OKC and Miami are two of the best at getting to line and converting. Ryan Anderson is, wuite possibly, the best FT shooting big in the league. He hit 88% of his FT’s last year. Davis will likely be in the 75-82% range, meaning that the Hornets can leave their bigs on the court in crunch time. Huge advantage.
– Top 5 players in the league in ‘Simple Rating’? LBJ, Wade, CP3, Durant, and Howard. Most say those are the top 5 players in the league. Guess who was #6? That’s right, Ryan Anderson. Simple rating basically looks at your performance vs. your counterpart. Impressive. Look at that list.
– Can Anderson play SF? Quick answer, no. He actually played far more center than small forward last year and actually defended that position fairly well. Centers only shot 40.5% when covered by Ryan Anderson last year. You ask me “Who starts at center?” If you know me by now, you know I will answer – Who cares? It’s about who finishes, and it will be Anderson and Davis closing out games at the 4 and 5 position.
– The Magic scored+14 points per 100 possessions when Anderson was on the court vs. when he was off. For comparison’s sake, the T’Wolves were +8 when Love was on vs. off
– Ryan Anderson is not afraid of taking the clutch shot. He hit 61.4% of his jumpers in crunch time last year. Hit 87% of his free throws.
– For those worried about Anderson/Davis combo against players like Andrew Bynum, take the time to reverse the question. How will Bynum cover either of these guys? Anderson was fantastic off the pick and pop, easily Bynum’s biggest weakness, and Davis can take Bynum off the dribble all day, beat him in the open court, etc. Much easier to double the post than to try and make your center agile when he is not.
aw man, later Gus :( Welcome white dude! i cant wait to see Smith + Anderson in the court together, whitest frontcourt in the league
I don't think this was a good moved, based on cost. This organization shouldn't be paying any one in this year free agency class 9 million, unless he is a legi center. This guy is not. Nice offense rebounder, but useless on the defensive boards. He has a nice jumper,but that's why we have Smith. However I do trust Dell so I will give him a pass. As they say, time will tell. I was hoping that Gordon would be the only big ticket item on the books this year. We are not a playoff team, so why raise the steaks? Good luck Mr. Anderson; looking forward to you proving me wrong. If he doesn't come through you will hear from me loud and clear. If does come through you will also hear from me loud and clear.
Demps strikes again! This guy is a machine when it comes to making deals to make his team better. I have loved every single trade this guy has made so far as Hornets GM. One could argue that we did not need to trade Gustavo Ayon when Ryan Anderson was a restricted free agent, but just the guarantee that he is on the team next year is good for me. Who knows that come Wednesday, we wouldn't be in a bidding war for his services? I loved what Ayon brought to the team, but Anderson brings a ton more. 6'10" bigs that average 16 ppg, close to 8 boards, shoots 40% behind the arc, and is in his prime, is really hard to find. He is a perfect fit to play with Anthony Davis. Stretching the D out to the perimeter to open things up for him down low is huge. Adding him with Eric Gordon and Austin Rivers give us what we have been lacking, SHOOTERS! 8.5 to 9 million a year to guy with his talent that is only getting better, i.e. most improved player of the year award last season, is not overpaying at all. I think we can make a Davis & Anderson front court work, especially when your small forward, Aminu, is 6'9" 215 lbs. to help on D. Having a 7'0" big in Jason Smith coming off the bench to rest either one is huge as well. I believe he can play both the 4 & 5 in this league. Now we just need to sign another center for the minimum and we will be set. Hearing Greg Stiemsma is a guy we are looking at. I wouldn't mind that signing, since he proved last year to be a nice find for the Celtics. He is a decent center that would help most teams off the bench with his rebounding. If we could, I would much rather sign Carl Landry back instead. Doubt we could since he could get far more than what we could offer or would want to offer. I know he is a power forward on the small side, but I love what he brings off the bench in scoring and rebounding. I would love Anthony Randolph as well, but he is the same size as Davis and might hurt his development. We probably couldn't afford him as well. I know Rivers will probably not start the season at the point, but I hope he does by the end of the season. I watched the draft combine and he was by far the best ball handler of all the point guards there. If Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, and Tyreke Evans can play the point and in their rookie seasons I believe he can. Then trade Jack at some time for another big or wing and shouldn't be to hard considering he has an expiring contract. I was hoping they would just go with Jason Smith at center this year and just sign minimum bigs, cause I really wanted to go after Al Jefferson next year. You never know though maybe it can still happen. I love this lineup of the future minus Jack next year: C- Davis / Stiemsma PF- Anderson / Smith SF- Aminu / Miller SG- Gordon / Henry PG- Rivers / Jack / Vasquez
Great acquisition. Fills lots of needs for the team. Now we have a PF who is a starter in the league. Now, we are a threat from downtown. And we have finally started signing free agents! :) Sorry to see Ayon go. Good luck for him! But, Welcome Anderson! You will be part of a great franchise! I assume Dell Demps used some of the trade exemptions he received from earlier trades (Peja to Raptors). Otherwise getting the contract of Anderson just for Ayon would not be possible, right?
love how there were not sources for 2 days saying what the hornets were doing...just out of nowhere a signing( a really good one at that)....does this remind anyone of the way the saints do it..it sure does to me
What if AD grows 2 more inches before he makes 21...7foot1 inches...240lbs ... swwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeet..
This is great. We have our starting bigs of the future (AD-19, RA-24). We just need to add one more big to round out the rotation. Everything that Jason and Michael pointed out was great.
Anthony Davis is already up to 230lbs from 220 at the combine...Everyone said this kid has to bulk up to be a force in the middle at nba level, and what i like about this guy is that he is working on his weaknesses before he even steps on the floor... Fear the Brow////...
The SI article was written on the 29th, about 3 weeks after Davis weighted 222 at the NBA Combine. So for him to gain 8 pounds in 3 weeks seems improbable. I assume this is an exaggeration of the actual gain. 222 is basically what Davis played at in college, so why wasn't he gaining weight with weight training after the college basketball season ended? During the entire summer? Lance says he put on 17 pounds since the NBA regular season ended. This both illustrates what Davis could have done with his summer, and that normal weight gain for someone with Davis's height and weight is more like 5-6 pounds/month instead of 8 pounds in 3 weeks.
Would love to know your source for your statement that Davis gained 10 pounds in the month since the NBA Combine.
"Sources" say the Language barrier was a Problem for the Team..And I watched teams get frustrated with him from not knowing his Game but they caught on later in the Season and he Hit a Wall..My 3's are already up Ryan!
In the future they might enact criminal charges for coming ahead in moves like this one. It's a bloody coup, is what it is. The Supervillain does it again.
I never forget Stiemsma coming into the Hive and Slapping every shot we threw at the Rim..Sign Him Dell!..We have some Bigs Caliber of Player Eric
Also, with Belinelli possibly leaving, it's nice to see Monty/Dell looking for someone to fill the stat sheet with pump fakes, because Belly was good for at least 4-5 every game. Anderson pump fakes on almost every cut to the basket. We should be good
Monty just spoke about EG to the T-P. It looks like he is doing damage control. My money is on Gordon staying now and on him owing Monty more than ever for his "understanding." Still, EG has a ton of work to do for the fans to ever trust him again.
Just watched all of Anderson's iso defensive plays last year. He is disciplined in trying to stay in front of the defender, typically not leaving his feet on pump fakes, but usually timing his jump well enough to at least try and put his hand in the face of the shooter. Played good defense against our old friend DWest and guys similar to him, but struggled against quicker players. Absolutely cannot defend 3's, unless he has 2 shot-erasers on the floor with him. Can be flat-footed, but smart enough to cover for it and make him a decent defender
Been watching non stop Synergy since the trade as well and I agree with everything you say here; and will additionally say he is very smart when covering the pick and roll. He will not play ANY small forward, even if the Times-Pic says that is his primary position. Another side note- he is only 24, which is the same age Smith was when he got here. Smith is, what, 250% better compared to 2 years ago? Imagine Anderson actually improving on what he already gives you. This could be a real bargain down the line
Hey mike where did you hear we are going to match and keep Gordon. I saw your comment on valleyofthesuns
Getting Synergy was the best decision I've ever made, and I've only had it a few days. It's so much easier to make informed judgments when you can see an entire body of work. I can't get enough of it. I haven't gotten a chance to watch his P&R defense, but I imagine it's much of the same, like you said. He appears to be a very intelligent player. What impresses me most about his Synergy stats is his efficiency in virtually every area of offense, especially cutting and hitting the offensive boards. Everyone knows he can shoot. Looks to be an absolute weapon on offense, and I can't wait to see what his presence will do for us. I am also looking forward to his growth under Monty Williams. Jason Smith absolutely astonished me this year with his growth. Anderson also looks like a class act. Really exciting stuff
I still see Skynet as a power forward, especially in his first couple of years, so I'm really not sure how this helps us tactically in the short run. Perhaps we're only getting Anderson as a trade chip for another, larger deal that involves Eric Gordon.
Think realistic. In 34 min a game, he averaged 16 and 7. He's gonna be our 6th man most likely, especially if we get gortat. He'll finish games when he has a hot hand. But Ryan Anderson is more than a stand in the corner three point shooter. He has expanded his offensive game. Tthis doesn't rule out resigning Carl landry either. A frontcourt of Davis, Gortat, Anderson, landry and Smith is depthful talent. Jarret Jack is a willing passer and even though he is reliable, I'd like Jack to be traded. This team gets better everyday to me. But we still have A LONG way to go. Questions aren't answered
According to Alex Kennedy of hoopsworld.com: "The two teams agreed to the trade on Sunday since Anderson was on the verge of signing an offer sheet with the Hornets. Rather than matching the offer and adding another power forward to their roster, the Magic facilitated the sign-and-trade to land Ayón."
With Davis, Anderson, and smith we have to have the best shooting front court in the nba. Also I'm just picturing with the way we can space the floor now, rivers penetrating and kicking it out to Davis Anderson aminu or Vasquez for a jump shot
I think Dell has to address why he traded Ayon away. (Maybe Orlando forced his hand by requiring an asset for this sign and trade, and Ayon plays at the crowded PF position but was below Smith and Davis on the depth chart.) I think the issue of Anderson's salary is relative. If we can get a serviceable Center for reasonable dollars, it will make the Anderson dollars less of an issue. Think of this roster: PG: Jack, Vasquez, Dyson SG: Gordon, Rivers, Henry SF: Aminu, Miller, Henry, Thomas PF: Anderson, Davis, Smith, Thomas C: Acquisition, Smith, Davis
I have to assume the reason people are rating this down is that I don't have Davis starting. Here is why: Right now Davis is a 222lb, 19 year old, who has played only one year of college ball. I think Dell and Monty know this. That is why they keep talking about bringing Davis along slowly, and not placing too much pressure on him. To me this all means Davis will not start.
Anderson fits perfectly with Austin Rivers as a developing point guard. Rivers greatest ability is getting to the lane and Anderson is money from that corner 3. If rivers can look to drive and dish it could be deadly
I like Anderson. He can play the 3 and 4. I will greatly miss Gustavo Ayon, but I think Anderson is a great player.
Love the move for Ryan Anderson. With this move, what are the chances that Eric Gordon stays w/the Hornets? 24 hrs ago, I was ready to bid farewell to him. But now, I say we keep him & make our team truly potent on offense. If we keep Gordon, I like our chances of winning the SW division.
Couple of points: 1. It seems like your argument is based of the perception that Eric and his agent are employing a strategy and not plain and simple emotional blackmail. You give him points for being strategic and even praise him for trying to gain power over his destiny but don't take away points for the udder ineptitude of this "strategy". In what business world would an employer throw away his most valuable asset over emotions. Donald Trump would never say, "My gold bars don't like me so I'm going to give them away. That way I won't have to worry about their feelings anymore." 2. The lack of a center and the Austin Rivers pick is also a weak argument and can be debunked in 2 math equations. 1. Austin = Point Guard and 2. In the NBA PF > C. 3. Great Players have egos is completely wrong you should write Great Players have pride,. Divas have egos. We did nothing to hurt his pride and treated him professionally. His argument boils down to "the extras weren't good enough." That is some Brittney Spears crap. 4. Gordon was just served some humble pie in not being selected the Olympic squad after winning the championship in 2010. His favorite word is caliber but it turns out that his caliber is what he or coach thinks it is. Harden is better. This should go a long way to bringing his "Ego" down some and bringing him back into the fold. Stay strong Monty and Dell and as soon as he is bought in again, trade him to the bobcats!
Just because he didn't make the Olypics does not mean he is not a "high caliber" player. He is still developing and Phoenix is a perfect spot for him to jack up shots and average his usual 20+ points per game and evertually make consecutive appearences at the All-Star game. I think Dudley is off limits for the trade but Gortat would start center and have AD behind him until he develops and adjusts to the NBA. Some of you are saying "Gortat, Dudley, and 2 picks". I dont think that is gonna happen. Gotat will be paired with either a Suns (unprotected) 1st rounder next season OR 2 Lakers 1st round picks. If it is dudley who is packaged in a S&T, it may come with a Suns (unprotected).
Don't forget that Anderson is, quite possibly, the best FT shooting big in the NBA. Anthony Davis will likely be an 80% type of guy, meaning that the Hornets will be one of the few teams in the NBA who don't have to worry about substituting their bigs at the end of games due to worries about FT shooting. Just think about the Clippers last year and how big of a problem that was for them. If Hornets can get into the penalty early every quarter, they can get a lot of points via FT's. Huge advantage
And there is where Rivers and Gordon comes in. Besides maybe the Heat there isn't a team in the league with 2 elite perimeter defenders who can keep Gordon and Rivers with their elite ball handling skills quiet all game long with a 3rd defender to help on Anderson or a 4th guy to keep Davis off the glass. If Rivers and Gordon can get teams in penalty early, this team could be phenomenal in crunchtime.
I like the pick up just not the price tag. I'm not a fan of overpaying especailly a rebuilding team. I was hoping we would be patient in this rebuild. This is a win now type of contract.
He's 24.. How is it a win now contract? I understand that it's 9 mil a year, but it's not like he won't have 6-7 more years worth of solid ball ahead of him once this contract ends. Espeically with his skill set being so skill/IQ based rather than athleticism based.
I actually completely disagree. Him at $9M per year is a great deal. He's a great shooter, a good rebounder, plays with energy, and is still young and developing. One thing I really liked is you never heard anything out of him in Orlando during all the turmoil last year. There were rumors of Jameer Nelson getting into it with Dwight, Stan Van Gundy losing the locker room, etc. Anderson just went about his business. Seems like a great guy.
I'm with da ThRONe on this one. When will the NBA learn to not overpay guys after contract years? Let's pretend that Ryan Anderson's over-inflated stats (from playing on a team that was completely centered around Dwight in the post) from last year didnt happen. What kind of player is he then? At $9 Million a year locked in for four years? We don't even know who Davis is yet, if Gordon is staying and if he is, how he and Rivers play together. This next season should be an experiment to see what kind of talent we need to surround our developing players but instead we sprung for yet another big man who shoots long jumpers. I'm bummed.