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In the NO Podcast Episode 76: Anderson and Gordon
Some momentous events this week as Al-Farouq Aminu led Nigeria to the Olympics! Oh, and the Hornets sign and traded for some quasi-all-star Ryan Anderson. And Eric Gordon said things that made people mad.
We talk about it all, as well as McNamara’s perfectly reasonable conspiracy theories.
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What's up with the Harden tweet about being traded to the Hornets? I read it in rumors on HoopsHype.com. Is it for real or just a joke? Of course, there's no way OKC can afford to keep Harden and pay him what he's worth. So, there could be some truth in the rumor. It's been subsequently deleted.
LET THAT GORDON GO and use the cap space to bring one or two good players . . . even if that means waiting until next free-agency let´s get phoenix draft picks, and with our cap space we can build arround Rivers and Davis without crying babies arround why keep a player that doesn´t want to be here, and that can go away next year for nothing (and he is no max player)
Suns get: Eric Gordon Hornets get: Robin Lopez Kendall Marshall Suns 1st Pick 2013 Lakers 1st Pick 2013 Give us a young back up center, and maybe out PG of the future... In 2013 we hoepfully when up with 2 lottery picks again and the later Lakers pick. Then sign Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo Anderson/Lopez Davis/Smith/Thomas Aminu/Henry Lee or Mayo/Rivers/Jack Marshall/Vazquez
With no further moves and a healthy Gordon as a Hornet, I don't think 35 wins is our ceiling, I think it's around what we should expect. Which non-lottery teams out West should be better than us next year? Assume all are healthy -Minnesota will definitely be better than us next year -Portland will be better if they can get Hibbert and keep Batum, and might be better if they only keep Batum -GS will likely be better -Dallas was a playoff team that is quickly fading, and I think we're a better team than they are as of today. -Sacramento got a good player in Robinson, but they still have maturity issues and chucking issues. -Houston got rid of both Lowry and Dragic.. Aaron Brooks? Please. -Phoenix is "upgrading" their roster with Beasley. Maybe he can put it together, but I don't see it. Dragic should do well with Gortat on the pick and roll, but still.. If Phoenix can't make the playoffs with Nash running their offense, I highly doubt they can without him. Milwaukee was on pace for 38.5 wins in an 82 game season last year. Yeah, they're in the East, but you don't think this year's Hornet team is at least equal to them?
Good podcast once again guys. In terms of the hypothetical golden state deal, I would rather get rid of jack. Already, Vasquez is a better playmaker. And with guys like rivers, anderson, dorrell, and davis, you need a point guard that has a pass first mentality. The Gordon situation is so stressful. He does make our backcourt so talented but that's if he isn't injured. I'm the biggest Austin Rivers fan in the world so whatever is best for his development, lol. Can't wait to the next one and I think Ryan said the ceiling is 35 games. Brighten up lol
Why do some people use other bad contracts to justify giving bad contract out? Less bad is this bad. Saying that he's making D.West money in itself says he's likely to be overpaid the life of the deal. West was the 2nd best player on this team when we made a strong playoff push. I highly doubt Anderson will ever be the 2nd or even 3rd best player on a team.
I don't understand how you could say that Ryan Anderson is a "bad" contract.. In order to say something is bad, you have to be able to compare it with something. So what is it? let's get something out of the way - Ryan Anderson is a role player. But the word role player is often associated with mediocrity. When people here role player, they usually assume that they are easily replaceable. Which is not true. For me, role players should be players pigeonholed into specific roles (because they have certain deficiencies). Ryan Anderson is that. But don't just assume that his skill set is easily replaceable, because its not. Players with Elite 3 PT Shooting + Elite Offensive Rebounding coupled with the fact that he doesn't do anything outside of his areas of responsibility (a big skill that some people overlook. It is why his TOs are so low). Only one player has averaged > 6 3PTA/G, converted at a clip > 38% and has an ORB/G > 2 (played at least 60 games) --> We got that guy. Even if you remove the ORB/G part, there has only been 29 instances when that happened in the HISTORY of the NBA. Here are some of the names. http://bit.ly/NaSg8K Peja, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Rashard Lewis, Jason Richardson, Gallinari and a lot of them became 8 figure guys. Even those guys that didn't become 8 figure guys like Korver, Bell, JR Smith, Dennis Scott, Dan Majerle, all of them are paid anywhere between 4 million to 6 million. So if we put it into context, Ryan Anderson is at worst, on a decent contract. If Monty can do something about his rebounding and his intensity, then at best this is a bargain. And its not like this is the 1st season Ryan Anderson started throwing 3s. In his 3rd season, he shot 5.3 3PTA in 22 minutes mind you. If we go by his per36 numbers, his career 3PTA goes at 7.5 with a conversion rate of 38.4% I don't understand all these Ryan Anderson being overpaid crap. He isn't. He's moderately priced.
@Mike Wr: And remember that he's only 24 years. Age matters more than no. of years in the league. Jason Smith came to the Hornets as a 24 year old player already on his legally 3rd season (he missed one season because of injury). Players CAN always improve. Subtle improvements, but improvements nonetheless. You may see Anderson get better on PnR coverages, maybe get better finishing around the rim, get better as a position defender. And so what if he depended so much on Howard? Its why its imperative that we keep Gordon. Gordon's drive and kick game in a PnR situation WILL create a very flexible offense because people will have to respect Anderson's ability. Jack is also good in a drive and kick situation. Rivers has potential in DnK situations. @da thRONe: I think you're getting greedy here. You're right, his inability to create will limit his value. But the fact that he's ridiculously super efficient (and I mean RIDICULOUS) at what he does best and that should increase his value a ton. He's a VOLUME ELITE 3 PT Shooter. THAT'S A RARE ASSET. If the market for a 3 PT Shooter is around 4~5 million, then a VOLUME ELITE 3 PT shooter should get around 6~7. Add to the fact that he's a great offensive rebounder and suddenly his 8.5 seems moderately priced. If he can learn how to play better defense than he already is and suddenly it looks like he's a bargain. Again, at worst, he's moderately priced. At best, he's a bargain.
Ryan Anderson hasn't proven his offense is safe staining. The majority of his production is catch and shoot. Which is fine because he's super efficient. However if you can't create your on shot that limits your value IMO. As of right now there is only one person on our roster that we know for certain can generate points. By no means am I saying this is a awful deal, but for where we are as a team and what I know about Anderson's impact I'm saying 8.5 million is about 2 million too much.
Don't oversell Monty Williams' ability to get more out of Anderson, who's been in the league for four years. I'm thinking what you see is what you get. Anderson may be worse or better based on how he fits with others on the floor and schemes. But, Monty isn't going to make him a better rebounder or whatever. At Orlando Howard was often double teamed in the post, freeing up Anderson and others for spot up 3s. NO will not have that kind of post presence, and Anderson will have to get his shots from penetrate and dish opportunities.
I like Anderson as a player, and what he gives a team. At 24 he has his whole career ahead of him. However I don't think he's worth 8.5 million a year. Especially for where we are as a franchise and what the cap penalties will go going into the following season. It may be nit picking, but fiscal responsibilty is going to be a bigger deal for non glamour teams than glamour teams as far as championship aspiration.
Maybe Dell is taking a different approach to dealing with this franchise player (Gordon), because he consulted Paul & West when he first came here, and look what it got him: nothing. They already had their minds made up and it didn't matter if he consulted with them. Maybe he's learned something from those previous interactions and now is changing his tactics when it comes to dealing with players. Also, I feel that a 4 yr contract is not a huge risk to take on Gordon, because if it doesn't work out, we can keep him for 3 yrs and then trade his expiring contract during year 4 to another team. I think keeping him would be a good thing, because Monty and Dell need to get a little exposure to/ practice with disgruntled players. Gordon won't be the last one to cross our paths, and so far, he seems pretty tame compared to some of the more volatile talents in the league. Monty needs to learn how to manage players like this, and now is as good a time as any to start.
The problem with your proposed trades are that we don't get back someone who makes the team as good as it is with Gordon. I'd keep Gordon on the team for a year and then use him in a sign and trade next year during free agency for an elite big.
The bottom line is who and how do get a player for Gordon that makes this team as good as it will be with Gordon on the floor? All I've heard so far are proposals to get two or three guys who are not as good as Gordon. Unless your objective is to repackage those assts to get a player that makes the Hornets as good as, and hopefully better, than the team would be with Gordon on the floor, I think you have to keep Gordon. I just don't see that happening this year.
Great podcast as always. Gordon will have to mend fences with the Franchise and also win over an angry fan base. Also with Howard likely going to the Nets in the next 24-48hrs, could the Rockets turn their attention back to Gordon and do their have the assets to knock the Hornets head over heels?
Great podcast, as usual. I'm interested to see which direction the team will go in with free agency. Personally, I am more inclined to agree with Michael that by this time next week, we'll have one or two more additions to the squad. Can't wait till the 11th.....
Watching Anderson's offensive rebounding right now.. The movement is part of it, but the recognition is really what stands out. He's a big guy that's often crashing from the 3 point line, and thus often goes unrecognized by guys boxing out. When he sees a gap for rebounding position and knows a shot is coming, he sprints to the basket. Once he's there, he has a big enough body to seal his spot (if necessary), and never takes his eye off the ball. The more and more I watch of this guy, the more apparent it is to me that he is an incredibly smart basketball player.