Tenth Pick Tournament: Let Your Voices Be Heard!

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Published: June 3, 2012

What should the Hornets do with the tenth pick? Well this is a democracy, isn’t it? Let’s put it to a vote!

Over the next three weeks we will debate the individual matchups and have YOU determine the winner. All voting will be done on our Facebook page, mainly because the fellas are worried I will tamper with the votes, rigging the vote the way Stern rigged the lottery. Wait, did I just let that slip?

Looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out, the finals will be held on June 26th- right before the draft. And who knows, maybe Dell and Monty will listen.

Ah, probably not, but this should be fun anyway. Enjoy!

 

Postscript:

– Toughest Omissions were: trade down, Barnes, and Drummond. Trade down just isn’t any fun, and I don’t see realistic scenarios in which Barnes or Drummond fall. If you like those guys, vote like crazy for Trade Up.

– Trade Up is not going against Trade for Vet because the same writer is making both of those arguments. Just looks ridiculous to argue with yourself.

– Round one kicks off on Wednesday. First round will have two battles a day (Wed-Sat). Voting ends on Tuesday. Second round is the same, but only one battle a day.

– We will likely allow you to vote on the site and on Twitter as well- for those of you who still dont have a Facebook account.

29 comments
Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes

So a fun way to educate ourselves and fans isn't good? It's disrupting the Hornets draft in some way? I suppose if you have your mind made up, then you can not participate, or just vote based on the arguments made in the context of the tournament, which seems to be something lost on some. I'm not sure what draft stories need revision here, but the facts in these tournament pieces are up to date, as I used combine data in my White story and Mason used a Portland workout in his Zeller piece . . . or are you complaining about things you didn't actually read? It's ok, lots of people do. As far as draft day options, we'll see what those options are once the first 9 are gone, unless we trade up or trade away.

504ever
504ever

Your post is weird, and this isn't the first time you have posted right behind me and distorted what I say (to mislead others?). I never said the Tournament was bad, or that some, later, 10th Pick Tournament article didn't use Combine data. I did suggest starting the 10th Pick Tournament a little later, so writers and fans could incorporate Combine data in their opinions. Everyone updates some of their draft opinions after the Combine. I suggested this site should, too. Shocker! And, as if to prove my point about the lack of focus on the big picture of the Hornets' draft, you never once addressed that point (or my entire 1st paragraph about it). You just distorted it and made fun or your own distortion. Manly! Your (condescending) last line says it all. If we all are going to wait until pick 10 on draft day to discuss the Hornet's options, then most of the articles, including yours, and resulting posts about them are a waste of time. To me, the saddest part of all is you are a monitor of this website. You discuss the boundaries of objectionable posting and you warn posters about objectionable posting. You also discuss what good posts should look like, then you post this. Maybe you were just having a bad day, but I liked your posts better when you posted as 42.

504ever
504ever

Thanks. Michael, I appreciate your post.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

If I would have known that this tournament was going to tear you two apart, I would have never came up with it! I feel so guilty. From my point of view, you each have your points. 504- I will say that I thought about starting it later, but I personally don't think the NBA draft combine should carry much weight. When it does, teams often regret it. These guys have 2, 3, 4 years of tape on them, and that is what GM's should go on, not how they measure or shoot when their is no pressure on them. Therefore, they shouldn't hold much weight when we debate who the Hornets should take. Neither should the fact that Jeremy Lamb shot poorly in workouts or Damian Lillard shot well in workouts. Patrick Ewing, Jr. was one of the greatest workout players I have ever seen. Let's just leave it at that. And, I promise that we will go in-depth on whomever the Hornets pick to a level that no other site can come close to matching, per usual. I would rather have fun with this and engage in a creative idea, rather than run boring bios on 20 guys- 19 of which will never be Hornets. But please, always feel free to voice your opinions/concerns because I know all of us have the goal of making this the best basketball site on the web.

Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes

I think you are the one distorting things here and also not making sense. I addressed your first line. This is a fun thing, an overwhelming success given its goals, and is not supposed to reproduce the Hornets dradft strategy. Distorted, confused. The site will use what the can in later rounds. New arguments for new matchups. This should be obvious. Distorted, confused. Again, these are not supposed to predict the Hornets results any more than a magic 8-ball predicts the future. This process is supposed to inform writers and readers about players in a novel way. Distorted, confused. And not condescending. If you feel condescended, you need a frame a reference that I can, but will not, give you. You can try to act like I'm just bad at everything. I'm not. I do a good job. You are the one that posted something pretty silly and had it explained pretty clearly to you. Same with the math you couldn't do. Pout all you wish, I never saw a post explaining why my calculations were wrong. And vert few people complain about my interjections into such matters, including the other guys you think do such a great job. Distorted, confused. I had a great day and plan on having another. Distorted confused. Feel free to not enjoy the tournament (not my idea) because it does not suit your needs of discussing draft day options weeks in the future. Feel free to express it. I have the same freedoms.

504ever
504ever

I am starting to find the 10th Pick Tournament as fragmenting the Hornet's overall draft strategy. To me, the Hornets' 10th pick needs to go toward a starting (on a playoff team) quality PG (Lowry, Lillard, or Marshall for example. Then they need to acquire another pick, by trading Jack or buying one, to draft a back-up C, since this draft has an unusually large number of quality big men. Also, I feel the 10th Pick Tournament was started a little too soon. It would have been better to write the articles after the 2012 NBA Draft Combine in Chicago. The numbers and performances there recessitated some players' draft status, improved some players' draft status, and lowered other players' the draft status. I hope Hornets 24/7 revises some draft related stories, and does an article focussing on the Hornets best draft day options.

David
David

Don't take Kendall Marshall ... Marshall is a very adept passer, especially in a full-court transition game. In many ways, Marshall's passing and ability to make others look good are distracting. By that I mean that the gorgeous looks he provides his teammates can mask his lack of burst, lack of defensive prowess and inability to score at the rim. Think of the top NBA point guards -- Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker. Getting to the rim is paramount to being a starter, as is the ability to penetrate the defense while on offense. Additionally, backup point guards in the NBA are usually converted scoring guards who come in with the game plan of picking up their mark 94 feet from the basket, pressuring the ball and attacking on offense. This does not bode well for Marshall on defense, and offensively, he is not really a guard who uses ball screens all that well. It is true that Rondo, Parker and even backups like Eric Bledsoe come in with the rep of non-shooters, but they are so quick and athletic that they can get into the defense. Marshall doesn't have either ability. -Doug Gottlieb

chiefyoungblood
chiefyoungblood

Rivers > Waiters Ross > Lamb Trade Up > Marshall Trade vet > Lilliard Sullinger > Moultrie Zeller > Leonard White > Henson ( just more intresting really ) Jones > Jones three

Mac
Mac

Perry Jones 3!! If he is available at ten, we would be idiots not to pick him!

edbballin504
edbballin504

General trade question....if MEM offered us Gay and pick 25 for Ariza, 10, and next year's 1st would you do the deal?

Jordan J.
Jordan J.

^No -He's an inefficient scorer that didn't step up when things got tight with the Clips. I think he and Gordon would clash offensively, and his contract is massive. Maybe if you take away next years 1st rounder...

504ever
504ever

Wish the pairings would have been something other than same position vs same position, especially when the entire right hand bracket is big vs big and the entire left hand bracket is small vs small. I find PG vs big much more exciting than big vs big etc.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

I considered that, but didn't want to compare too many apples to oranges- plus that will make the later rounds more intriguing. Maybe we do a Loser's bracket as well? Starts on Wednesday everyone! Go in with an open mind, but keep the debate fresh by adding supporting facts in the comments. Wanna see these get to Team Jacob vs. Whatever the other Twilight's guy's name is Level!

504ever
504ever

A losers bracket could be cool, especially if it's different positions going against each other.

George
George

Somebody in the nbadraft.net forums said Monty Williams thought Dion Waiters was the second best player in the draft. I can't find a source to back this up would anybody be able to confirm this? Also, I really think the Hornets should float the idea of pairing D-Will and Howard together NOLA with Eric Gordon. Trade Okafor and pick #1 for Howard, Sign D-Will in free agency, keep Gordon, draft Sullinger at 10. This is the best team anybody will be able to offer Howard and D-Will just imagine: PG Williams SG Gordon SF Ariza/Aminu PF Sullinger C Howard This is only if they will say they will sign an extension of course otherwise all is for nothing.

E.Freshly
E.Freshly

Fab Melo n A.Davis aka Twin Towers 2.0

Mr. West
Mr. West

Jones 3rd>Jones White>Henson Zeller>Leonard, Sullinger>Moutlrie Lillard>Trade Marshal>Trade Lamb>Ross Rivers>Waiters All IMO of course. Feel free to change my mind 247. This is a good idea, and will be fun.

Somervillain
Somervillain

Wroten can't get a spot in a field of 16? He is the "may be the most talented pg project" when you have time to develop a guy, and the vet pg in place to do it. I think he is gonna climb like mad over the next few weeks.

jmbell
jmbell

I see too much Javaris Crittenton in him. Big, athletic point guard with loss of potential. But in the games I've seen Wroten play he's been erratic and turnover prone. His decision making is terrible, and he had trouble adjusting to the COLLEGE game. Too many red flags for me. He'll probably fall to a team around 15-20 like Crittenton did to the Lakers unless he just has incredible workouts/interviews.

NOH Domination
NOH Domination

The Zeller/Leonard matchup makes me want to cry. I can't in my right mind vote for either.

Jordan J.
Jordan J.

Well, I'm not gonna do this on Facebook, but I just want a vet or Lillard. I watched a lot of stuff on Lillard today (Interviews, highlights, workouts) because I heard he was on the Hornets radar, and I had already liked him a lot from numerous articles and just stats. If we traded the pick for a vet I'd prefer a PG (Lowry in particular as I had said multiple times).

George
George

Zeller is an easy choice over Leonard. Sullinger also an easy choice over moultrie. Henson over white and I'm still undecided on the rest

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

You haven't even read the arguments yet! Seriously, this will be fun if we all go in with an open mind. Let's at least hear the Leonard camp out- poor guy has to write 800 words trying to sell you all on him as the pick

Mike Wr
Mike Wr

If Leonard ever gets his head together, he will be a very good pro. I saw him play a number of times last year and he has outstanding physical talent. It's the mental side which brings him down. I remember a game at Bloomington in which he thoroughly outplayed Cody Zeller first half. CZ dunked on him start of 2nd half, deked him into a couple of fouls and Leonard completely lost his composure and focus.

Jordy
Jordy

I'm picking Jones over Jones...

Jordy
Jordy

I must ask, why is every match up a position match up EXCEPT for Lillard and Marshall? Seems like it should be those two against each other and have trade for vet vs. trade up matched up.

SP
SP

Any chance we could get another draft podcast based on this bracket? Would love to hear Michael and Ryan's thoughts on each matchup and who they see going all the way in the bracket. Particularly putting Lillard up against a trade for veteran option. Which kind of veterans would be realistic trade targets with that kind of pick? Thanks guys!

SP
SP

Looks like fun, When is the first round???