In the NO Podcast Episode 67: All Eric Gordon

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Published: May 21, 2012

Ryan and Michael talk Eric Gordon. Lots of Eric Gordon. They talk his trade value, his injury history and what it might mean, they trade him, they don’t trade him, he signs for millions or just the qualifying offer. They try to predict where he’ll be next year. If Eric Gordon is on your mind, this is the place to be.


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55 comments
mrclutch
mrclutch

I will start off by saying I Love the site. With that being said, I must say that you guys are Completely NUTS about the proposed Memphis trade... If the Hornets have gay and Allen for Gordon as an option and DON'T take it then Dell is not as smart as I have given him credit for. I like Gordon, but he hasn't proven a THING. sure he gives you 20+. But how many playoff games has he played in again?!!!! Gay gives you the same ppg avg and we would pickup a lockdown defender.... So please stop with the ridiculous talk UNTIL Gordon actually proves he can lead a team to the playoffs and stay healthy while doing so

nikkoewan
nikkoewan

If we're trading Gordon, the best trade I'd want is either the PHI trade or the MIN trade - the MIN trade specifically because we get 3 years of Derrick Williams on a rookie contract and an expiring Darko, instead of a re-signed Thad Young (who I don't actually like at that price), and Turner (who as you said didn't rub teammates the right way). On the whole trading Eric Gordon thing - I must say that I am a little bit attached just because I'll always attach the tag "the guy we got for CP3" (who was my idol up until he left his team, our team, for a similar yet more famous team). Although I like how Rohan from ATH explained Eric G when healthy, is worth the max. You can re-read it over there, great stuff (just like what's posted here in H247). Although injuries are a concern with him (not actually because I think his body is weak, but because his style of play is - as Ryan put it - "wrecking ball"). I've always advocated that a little adjustment in his play would go a long ways to helping him be healthier. Of course, if we win the lottery, this is all moot - AD will be a difference maker right on the get-go (along with maybe Sullinger and TRob). If we win the lottery, you must definitely resign Gordon to a 55/4 contract (leave the 5th year for AD, who I really think we'll fit well with Monty's style and will allow him to reach his potential). I have been a fan of this site since I think, 2005? And you guys just keep getting better and better (even in tooting your own horn LOL). I miss Niall Doherty Anyway, though. Is there a way we can bring him back to a podcast? Maybe get his insights as a previous Hornets blogger. All that, I'd just like to say thank you for everything you guys. With the transition that's happening (Benson), its a good thing that this blog site is keeping pace. Better named blog posts(LOL), better coverage (and even more to come), and such a very educated bunch (debates are great). It was just sad I didn't get a shoutout. SAD. Kidding aside, great job guys! GREAT GREAT! :D Really happy I started reading this blog a couple of years ago, and registered a few months after that. Let's hope for the best on May 30, and hopefully, June 28 follows with more good blessings. After that, its going to be LEGEN - wait for it *andkeepwaitingbecauseimnotgonnastopuntilthehornetsarelegendary* - DARY!

nikkoewan
nikkoewan

damn so many typos, sorry guys.. just try to understand it LOL

trigga
trigga

i think it was a really good podcast, that Gordon for K-mart was trash i reckon. I'm not a big fan of the Memphis 1 either but getting tony Allen in a potential deal is pretty good. The Twolves one gets me thinking a bit though. without knowing the salaries Gordon Ariza 4 Williams Beasley & JJ. i think twolves would give up more for Gordon. None of it makes any differnce until May30th, May 31st here in Australia. But i think Williams & beasley wud b a gud start

kempleton
kempleton

OK, Here are my thoughts on your trade scenarios as I listen... All my comments are based on the facts that Eric Gordon is going to be the go-to-guy/main scorer of our team if we keep him and we want to improve our roster so that we can get to the contender status (where OKC is at right now). BTW, If I knew Gordon will remain healthy, I would not consider trading him. He is such a good player (All-star level) as I saw late in 11-12 season and there is no need to trade him if he stays healthy. Gordon for Brewer, Afflalo, Miller from Nuggets: Not a good trade unless we draft Kidd-Gilchrist or get a scoring SF! Afflalo makes 7.5 mil per year until 2016 filling a good portion of the cap space. Afflalo ends up being like Ariza and we will be stuck with him still looking for a scorer! Gordon for Gay, Allen from Grizzlies: Not a good one. I do not think Gay is the type of player for a team looking for a deep playoff run. Besides, he earns almost 16-19 mil until 2015. So, if we cannot trade Gay, we get stuck with a player who earns a lot more than he deserves. He does not deserve 15-20 mil per year! Gordon for Turner and Young from Sixers: This one is interesting. Thaddeous Young (out of Georgia Tech like Jarrett Jack) is a versatile SF/PF, he would be a nice backup. But, keep in mind that Young earns a lot for a backup! He makes 8-9 mil per year until 2015. The question in this trade is Turner. He showed signs this season that he may keep improving and become a very strong SG. But, if not, Gordon is gone with not much in return and Young and Turner filling up almost 14 mil of the cap space for backup-level talents. Gordon for Martin. I do not think Martin is the kind of player coach is looking for. He would have kept Thornton if we needed simply a scorer. I'd rather keep Gordon and struggle with his injuries every now and then. However(!) Martin will be on contract season clearing 12.5 mil at the end of next season. So, it might be worth it especially if Gordon does not want to stay here and play for us. (I did not like the bundle idea that followed.) Well, I am halfway thru the podcast. To be continued...

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

I write an article a couple of months ago with Andrew Bogut asa possible trade target and almost everyone against it commented that, "He gets hurt too much." Then, Ryan and I discuss the possibility of trading Gordon and some of those same people say, "No, don't trade him. The injuries are flukes, not related, and not extremely likely to happen in the future." I never cease to be amazed to how people will pick and choose the argument that supports what they want to believe. Consistency be damned!

edbballin504
edbballin504

LOL....its funny but you are so right. I think as fans we don't look at our own free agents objectively. We give them a pass because we feel attached to them for their past service and time with us. If the Hornets did not have Gordon last year, and Gordon was a free agent now (like he is) I bet he wouldnt even be on our radar to touch. LOL....we'd all be like "He's always hurt, he's not good enough for a max deal, etc." The fact that we have seen him in person last season for 9 games really makes our view of him very biased, and now that I think about it maybe thats not smart at all. It's just hard having to start over AGAIN! I was okay with it this season because it was a short season and I knew we'd be compensated with a chance at Anthony Davis. Going through that again for 82 games would turn me off, and I am a die hard basketball fan and Hornets fan. Can't imagine what that would do to the casual fan here.

downnout
downnout

If we trade EJ then we'll be in tank mode again I cant see us competing with Millsap, Jefferson, Turner or Young maybe thats what Ryan and MM want. I can get onboard with that

Tyler
Tyler

Trevor Ariza will be traded. Mark my words.

Eli
Eli

The Hornets need to take the risk and re-sign Gordon. Go big or go home. You don't want to see Eric Gordon in an all-star game next year playing for some other team. Every time Gordon played this year, I was expecting a win. Every time. Add at least one of the lottery picks and at least one solid veteran, and we're looking at a team that can contend pretty soon. GO HORNETS!!

CP3forMVP
CP3forMVP

I plan on listening to the podcast either tomorrow or Wednesday, but I'll comment anyway. I don't think trading Gordon is the best possible thing. By trading Gordon, all you are doing is setting yourself up for failure. The trades that people have discussed in the comments? None of them are nearly good enough. Why would we want Al Jefferson? He plays no defense (not a Monty guy) and will be a UFA after next season. I like Millsap, but why trade a 23 year old for a 27 year old, who is also a UFA after next season. Burks doesn't do it for me either, not really interested in him. Best possible thing this team can do is sign Gordon to a fair deal. He's worth the money, and like it's been stated he has never had a injury that makes you pause. Players can grow out of little nagging injuries as they become more experienced. Who here wants to trade Gordon and watch him go on playing 64 games a season averaging like 26 points a game for a playoff team? I surely don't.

Josh
Josh

I believe that at the beginning of the podcast, we decided that the injuries of Eric Gordon were unrelated. Therefore, why do people consider him a risk? In that sense, everyone is a risk. Even if he is a risk, the Hornets have nothing to lose. If Gordon gets injured, Belinelli would likely replace him (if re-signed by the Hornets). If he isn't good enough, we can draft a 2. With our first pick we can draft Bradley Beal, or we can draft Jeremy Lamb with our second pick. That is with the intention of them becoming our version of Ginobili or Harden. Then if Gordon gets hurt, we'd be in a much better position. I think re-signing Gordon is the best thing to do. Our other positions will be solidified anyway.

NOS-3RD GEN
NOS-3RD GEN

The way I see it as only two ways I'll trade Gordon: 1- Gordon to the Bobcats for their 1st draft pick, Williams(optional ) 2-Gordon to the bucks for Monti Ellis If I couldn't get any of those trades I'd just keep Gordon and revolve my team around him!!!

NOH2313
NOH2313

Excellent podcast as usual. I dig the Philly, Minny, and Utah trades in that order. Though I would rather not trade EJ......it was good to hear that we can still make something out of him if he moves on to another team.

nolahog
nolahog

Pay Eric Gordon. He's got skillz. Also, why do you guys not think Ariza will be with the team next season?

Josh
Josh

Same question I'm asking

Ej10hornets
Ej10hornets

Enjoy listening to anything regarding Eric Gordon, so this was a good listen. I am however getting sick of hearing about EJ's injuries. It was mentioned in the podcast that none of them are dependent on another, and with that being said, it is my opinion that Gordon's injuries are not a HUGE topic. I have watched EJ play for the last six years (including high school), and this kid, only 23 years old, will be a star. Yes, he has had injuries to his toe, knee, back, and wrists, but nothing that should be enough to even make teams question his ability to be on the court. What many people fail to mention are the timing of the injuries. Last season with the Clippers, Gordon broke his wrist. He took a hard fall that most people would have suffered an injury on. At the time of the injury, the Clippers were below .500, and while playing well, they were not making the playoffs. This season, Gordon had a deep bone bruise in his knee. It is my opinion that the Hornets held him out of games, delayed his scope, and rested him to help their draft positioning. Basically, Eric Gordon has missed games the last three seasons, but if he were on a team in the playoff race he would have played half of the games he missed over the last three seasons. Gordon will be worth the money he receives, I just hope that money comes out of Mr. Benson's wallet, and not another owners.

Tyler
Tyler

We have the opportunity to actually rebuild this team the right way. Why would you want to trade the team's best player??? Thats absurd. We need to finally solidify this team with some stability. Re-sign him! Jeff Bower and Byron Scott literally killed this team with their egos and bad managing of games/contracts. Its time to right the ship.

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

Let me get this straight you want to add stability by signing a player to a max deal that we have no idea what we are getting after? The right way is to draft well.

Tyler
Tyler

The trades that need to be discussed should be centered around Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor.

Tyler
Tyler

RE-SIGN ERIC GORDON!!!

Zombian
Zombian

This ended up being a really long comment, sorry if thats annoying to anyone but there were a lot of things covered that I wanted to post my thougt on. I've listened to every episode of this podcast and I have to say that you guys keep getting better and smarter over time, which is great because it educates all of us. Thanks for that and its the highlight of my Mondays. Other fans may enjoy The Basketball Jones as well, its second only to this one. - I love the fact that you talked about Hornets history. As a Hornets fan since 94 I wish we heard more of that. Larry Johnson is my favorite Hornet ever. - I agree with Ryan that the Griz don't pull the trigger on that trade due to Allen (but I agree that it does sound crazy) but I would do it in a second if I were the Hornets. - I like Martin and was pretty happy with the Lakers Paul trade (before we got the Clippers one) mainly due to Martin. Martins numbers are way down as was his usage. Gordon this season and Martin last season had comparable usage percentages and are fairly close (Gordon looks more efficient but guess which one can stay on the floor). Martin is more of a shooter where Gordon is more of a slasher so if we got a Kendall Marshall, Thomas Robinson draft combo, then I could talk myself into going with the smart, good natured vet who can hit pull up J's and keep the lanes clear. However, I agree with Ryan overall in that I would like to keep Gordon. Ryan's trade for getting back Lowry just includes too many peices. Its so hard for teams to feel like they can match up when there are onlly two or three players compared against each other but what was that, 6 players altogether? I don't see a two team deal involving that many players likely. - The Timberwolves trade doesn't make as much sense to me. Derrick Williams would be great but most likely we're getting a big in the draft, assuming we amnesty Okafor and let Kaman walk we would have Smith, Ayon, Williams, and the draft pick. That leaves us with a backup center, two scrawny power forwards, and an unknown from the draft (which means scrawny unless its Robinson). Then we have to develop our two picks, williams, ayon (albiet Ayon just needs more conditioning), Aminu, and Henry. As Henry Abbot pointed out last week you want young, developing talent, but you don't want more than two of those guys on your team at any given point. I understand that Aminu and Henry are kind of expendable at this point if we get proven talent like williams but then we'd have to make yet another trade to try and get anything back. - I enjoyed hearing Michaels idea for what kind of team he is putting together. Throughout the year the narritive seemed to either shift or narrow from us being in an OKC-ish rebuild, to more recently (and most likely due to Monty's D combined with Gordon and Jack proving to be the only scoring talents) to more of a Bulls-style team. I keep thinking of the defensive era San Antonio team if only we could get a dominant post player (although admitidly I hate the spurs and I really hated watching them during that period). I'd like hearing other ideas for styles of teams you see us building. I understand that the draft is going to affect this significantly. - I was writing this as I was listening to it so I guess I already played into your kudos/feedback. Now I just kind of want to delete it. - Oh and can I get a "what what" for our team going from the knee-jerk Bower age of throwing money and draft picks away into a smart team with a bright future?

Lance Broussard
Lance Broussard

I listen to you guys faithfully everyday, i love what you guys are doing. I'm a die hard hornets fan and i just want some stability. I believe EG can be a top 3 shooting gaurd in the league but i do agree that he may not be worth the max, but we have to start somewhere. If we lose eric gordon to free agency or to a trade we hardly get any value back and in my opinion we're set back even further. I say roll the dice and try your hardest to build up those muscles tissues and ligaments to keep Eric healthy.

edbballin504
edbballin504

There is one key aspect to building a successful team that you guys are all missing; one that Gordon brings to the table every time he's on the floor. It's the ability to be a phenomenal closer on the NBA level. Despite all the criticism about his injuries, his lack of height or leadership, ect., Gordon's ability to close a game is something that has to be respected. How many times have we seen a well-built team that's simply not good enough, (especially in the playoffs) because they have no closer? That ability alone makes him very special in my opinion, and you can't let that walk away. Bottom line is of all the trades for Gordon that you all bring up, they all end with us having players that simply don't matter, they're just fillers....Jennings, Martin, Milsap, Williams, Anderson V, etc. Who cares about those guys, they won't do anything that matters on this team. Gordon is in a class above those guys. Unfortunately he comes with a risk, but all good investments come with some risk...safe bets get you safe results and nothing more. We don't want mediocracy here, we want to win and win big. In summary, pay the man. If not, then prepare for many lotteries to come. Have the contact as front loaded as possible while we have no one else like talking about it to pay. We have a great coach and GM, we have nice role players, we have a closer, we need a few more pieces and we are right there. 2 lottery picks, and some tradable assets should get us another step closer to the prize. Trading Gordon for nonfactors is a step back, so let's keep him and see how much good luck May 30th brings us. GEAUX HORNETS!

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

Nobody would disagree with these comments, but you are not being fair to your opponents argument. Every single Hornets fan out there would re-sign Gordon if he had even played 80% of his games the last 3 years (as opposed to 66). You say that we need Gordon type players as closers, and I agree. But 34% of the time, based on the information we have at hand, Belinelli will be closing games for you at the 2 guard position. That is the argument you have to debate against. If you choose to re-sign Gordon, will you have the resources to build a good enough team to be competative in the 28 games a year he misses? And can the team build that cohesiveness necessary if he is in and out throughout the season. I say another 5-10 games will be effected by rust, getting back into rhytem, etc. Look at the Knicks- their star goes out, so they have to play a totally different way to win. Then he comes back and they have to change the offense, which forces them to go on a losing streak. Having an injury prone guy effects your entire team numerous times throughout the season. Now if you are fine with that, or are just going to throw history out the window, then that is fine. But the argument that Gordon is a great player when healthy has NEVER been debated.

edbballin504
edbballin504

I guess what I am trying to say is that we have no other options. I rather Gordon for 80% of a season then any of those trades for 100%. If we have a backup SG thats just like Gordon (the way he plays), just not as good then I think you run the same offense, just a different focal point maybe. That's why I like Rivers at 10. Hopefully he figures out the NBA game better than the NCAA game.

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

I think labeling Gordon as anything at this point of his career is premature. It's way too soon for the whole "closer" thing. Once again guy has a ton of NBA potential. However he wouldn't be the first nor the last gifted baller that doesn't live up to the potential. I think we keep forgetting Eric has proven nothing in this league yet. And when you add the inevitable injury arguement I just think for a franchise in our position trading him is a no brainer. We trade him we still have a boat load of options moving forward. We sign him we are linked to Gordon the next 4 years whether he's a injuried or underperforming. Even assuming he becomes the top 3 SG. Will he want to stay if we can't rebuild fast enough?

edbballin504
edbballin504

Just consider what happened this year...we had a team that played very well with alot of young guys with limited practice time. We would keep the game close but fall short at the end. 1. Insert a healthy Gordon and now many of those close games we will actually win. 2. Insert 2 lottery picks (and/or some trades for better players), plus practice time so the young guys develop better and now instead of being close until the end, now maybe we are up 5 until the end. It's about progress, and we are taking steps in the right direction. Trading Gordon would set us back.

edbballin504
edbballin504

MM, you suggest we build a team around high energy guys with a few chuckers. I suggest building a team good enough to hang around unil the 4th quarter, esp by using great team defense. Then having a few guys in place to close the game in the 4th for us (ala Gordon). All we gotta do is limit Gordon's minutes throughout the game, until the 4th which will be when he puts in most of his work. To do that we's need a high quality backup SG. Is Belinelli or Jack the answer? I think the answer can be found using our 10th pick on Austin Rivers (if we dont find a better situation by trading the 10th pick).

BlkNGoldSoul
BlkNGoldSoul

I really appreciated the insight yall brought. Personally I do think Gordon is worth Max contract, but it would be irresponsible not to consider his injuries. That's apart of t he game though. Realize he is OUR star, like we say in Brees situation just pay him and have faith . Look at it like this would we go to Denver and try to offer gallinari $10 million per ? Well Gordon is better, so therefore deserves it I feel , on top of (if that's not enough) he's an Olympic champ! That speaks volumes . No scrubs are just on Olympic squad. As far as trades go wasnt it mentioned couple weeks ago(maybe on another site) that if we traded gordon we could possibly move him to Portland for both their 1s t ro und picks . Now that would be worth it, we'd have like #4,6,10,11and a filler. I see us offering one of those picks(10) to Boston for rondo. Now last week I seen a good trade offer for our role players if we keep Gordon. We trade Jack & Ariza and basically get D. Collison, and either Iggy or Danny Granger back . http://www.espn.gocom/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73hb6mk Or http://www. espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8yslvtx Either way I feel our team can use like a hibbert or magee to anchor out frontline think about it . YES, we can still get okafor off the books via trade also. I love our future outlook an our options going forward.

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

I think Brees' situation is the complete opposite of Gordon's. Brees is proven and a there's no health concerns. So giving him a huge deal isn't a situation where we are relying on "faith". On the underhand we have no idea what we are going to get from Gordon for a handful of reasons. You may have missed it, but we can't move Gordon until he's signed. We can sign him at anytime. The problem from what I got from the podcast is signing Eric before the deadline would give him a no trade clause for the entire 2012-13 year. So he would have to be on board going to Cleveland. However if we wait until the deadline we could sign and trade him anywhere, but that would be after the draft.

BlkNGoldSoul
BlkNGoldSoul

@throne I shouldve specified I was referring to when we first acquired Brees from diego an he was hurt an no1 wanted to touch him. My fault.

Mike P
Mike P

If I were Dell, I would be in the camp of keeping Gordon, pending a little heart to heart with my new best buddies on the training staff. I think they are the only people whose opinions matter right now. Prior to learning we could not amnesty Gordon, I was all aboard. He's a fantastic player. I do have to disagree with you guys, though.. If there are teams willing to throw the max his way, then why wouldn't they be willing to trade for him? I believe I heard someone on this site say that 6 teams were willing to offer him the max. Maybe that was a misunderstanding. I have a hard time imagining that Cleveland wouldn't be willing to offer a max. Cleveland, much like us, is scarred from its star player leaving. Dan Gilbert will do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie Irving happy, and Gordon provides a very good chance for that. DaThrone was right about trade value. I guess I didn't think about it from another team's standpoint. I also think Gordon will accept anything in the neighborhood of 50+ million. The Lakers must be about to dismantle their team. They were swept last year and may go down in 5 tonight. I'd be shocked if Gasol stays there. This may sound crazy, but what about a Gordon + Ariza for Gasol + future pick(s)? It certainly makes sense for them, as they need a young piece to pair with Bynum, and this piece has to be able to fit alongside Kobe. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I think Gasol is certainly still capable of 16-18 and 10 a night. Then, much like Utah, we could bring our young big (whomever we draft) along slowly, and he could learn post moves from a pure post player.

edbballin504
edbballin504

You had me until the last paragraph. No way LAL trades Gasol for Gordon. LOL. I do think trading Gasol is very possible. Look for MIN and HOU to be strong suitors for him.

Mike P
Mike P

Ridnour would be great for LA's offense and equally bad for their defense. He is a very good shooter, but a horrible defender. I think LA got Sessions because they realized how much trouble they had defending Barea/Paul in the playoffs the previous year. This year they're having the same problems with Westbrook, despite the addition of Sessions. Because of that, I think they stray from adding Ridnour. Minny could match any offer to B-Easy and send him to LA, but that would be a little complicated, as we are sure to find out with Gordon. I think LA would like the prospect of adding two great athletes in Derrick Williams and Beasley, but still don't think that's a champ team. I really think that Gordon is a fantastic fit for LA, both now and in the future. I do think LA needs much more depth, so I could see why your trade would make sense. But those guys are prob 2-3 years away from contributing to a contender, and in 2-3 years, Kobe could retire (I believe he's said he doesn't want to experience the twilight years of basketball). So they would be blossoming in time for the Lakers to take advantage of their cap room and throw a couple extra pieces around those guys and Bynum. It is worth noting that if Williams worked out, he would be likely to get extended a big contract right around that time. That said, it all depends on how they want to treat Kobe. Kobe will want to win, and I don't think that Minny trade gives them the tools to win in the time frame he'd like Btw, your trade would obviously be great for Minny.

edbballin504
edbballin504

I think if LAL traded Gasol for Williams, Ridnour, and Beasley that would be great for both teams. LAL then would let Sessions walk if he opts out, and start Luke, who is solid and actually a much better deep shooter than Sessions or Blake. With all the doubles coming at Bynum and Kobe, Luke would be a perfect fit. Theyd have Williams to pair with Bynum down low as the future stars after the Kobe era ends. Theyd let Barnes walk and make Beasley the backup wing. In a structured championship system like LA, Beasley should be a nice asset, esp to help score with the second unit. MIN would go from rebuilding mode to winning mode right away with Gasol, Love and Rubio.

Mike P
Mike P

If LA hadn't performed so horribly the last two postseason, I would agree. But given LA's struggles, which team would seriously think that Gasol would put them over the top right now? He's got Kobe and Bynum and can't win now. I think the days of people viewing Gasol as a bona-fide star are over. Just my opinion. Minnesota would be a good fit. Love could slide over to center on D, where he seems to be more effective. Gasol is more effective on D guarding the 4. But Minnesota doesn't have much in the way of bargaining chips. Who would they trade for Gasol? LA had interest in Beasley, who is a restricted free agent now. Pekovic plays the same position as Bynum. Derrick Williams could seem attractive with a big C like Bynum to help on D. I don't know. Houston cannot seriously think that acquiring Gasol would make them a contender (anymore) All this said, LA must view Gasol's contract as a liability now. They need to get younger and more athletic. Gordon would be a perfect fit on that team, doing everything Ramon Sessions was supposed to do. Penetrate, guard explosive players like Westbrook, and space the floor when Kobe goes to work 1 v 1 or in the post. It sounded crazy, but the salaries would match if Gordon got that max offer. Just a thought

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

Really enjoy well thought out Hornets talk fellas. Makes me feel closer to home. A few of thoughts. 1st I think you are giving too much credit to Gordons selectiveness(if that's even a word) about where he wants to go. It will come down to one thing before all others and that will be money. So if Pheonix is willing to do a S&T for the 5 years 75.2 million max Gordon will gladly accept that deal regardless who's will or won't be wearing a Suns jersey. The fact that they could be losing Nash IMO would make Gordon that much more enticing for them. Add that with the fact that they do have a lot of faith in their medical staff and I think they won't be afaird of Gordons laundry list of injuries. They'll more than likely end with the 13th pick. If somebody like Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, Jared Sullinger, Austin Rivers or Tyler Zeller falls that low I would love to work on a deal that would send us one of those guys and a future unprotected pick. Maybe even work in a third team like Dallas if they want Nash if they fail to sign Williams. As far the trades you guys got into goes I like the Utah trade the most only if we can get Burks. Not sure he'll ever be a star, but I think he'll be a quality top 10 SG at some point in his career. Prototype size, above average athletism, good spot up shooter, can create his own shot, has the agility and length to be a solid defender. I like that kid. If we can trade or amnesty Okafor I wouldn't shy away from taking Jefferson's contract if Milsap wasn't an option. Actually not a big fan of the Memphis trade. I like Rudy and I think under the right circumstances he's a 25ppg all-star talent. However I'm not sure he's the center piece of a championship team. If we still had CP3 and where trying to keep him I'd love it. Trying to build around Gay not so much.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

And we enjoy having your opinions as well, even though I disagree with you on Anthony Davis- I do agree on most other things. I even gave you a shout out on this podcast I believe. I proposed the trades and I don't "love" any of them either, but remember, those trades are not in a vacuum. Not paying Gordon 15 mil a year allows you to spend 15 mil a year elsewhere, so that has to be factored in as part of the trade as well.

SP
SP

Haha I immediately laughed when I heard 'Da Throne' brought in to conversation!

Lance Broussard
Lance Broussard

if im an eric gordon supporter do i even want to listen to the podcast before it depresses me

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

I say that it is worth a listen just to be informed on some of the key dates, all the options, etc. I researched the new CBA prior to this and even I was surprised to learn some of the new loopholes, restrictions, etc. Also, the trade ideas are just to explore options , nothing definitive- but Ryan and I are both apprehensive about paying Gordon max money- but isn't everyone? It's not like he is Kevin Durant. Everyone is apprehensive, some just fall on the side of taking the risk and others would like to save their chips to gamble on a hand with slightly better odds. No wrong answer, really.

Ryan Schwan
Ryan Schwan

Hard to say. We do spend a lot of time talking about trading Gordon for something else before we finally settle on what we think will actually happen. If you don't like listening to trade talk about Gordon - you may want to skip it.

D
D

wat a Poo podcast sry but u guys r wack. Step ur game up seriously

Ryan Schwan
Ryan Schwan

Sorry, I tried to lose McNamara, but talking to myself seemed strange.

J
J

Gordon injury should be the main reason he should walk or sign and trade.Why invest in him he's risk.Benson is not going to want an injury prone Gordon.

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

This comment reminds me of the Chargers when they let Drew Brees go

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

Yea, it just kinda reminds me of the situation though

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

Not quite. for a couple of reason. 1) Drew wasn't considered "injury prone" it was just one fluke situation where he dived in a pile for a loose ball and had a severe injury to his (non throwing I believe)shoulder. 2) Charger had already drafted Phillip Rivers. Brees break out year came the very season he was injuried. Before that season San Diego gave up hope of Brees being a franchise QB. So it's not the same. Now the outcome may be the same, but the situation going in is very different.

J
J

Draft Brad Beal and move on