"While Paul's first choice is to join buddies Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire on the New York Knicks, he would sign a long-term contract to stay with the Lakers, according to a source with knowledge of Paul's thinking. And Howard's fondness for Los Angeles is well-known, leaving no doubt that he would commit to the Lakers long-term." -ESPN Does any buy this? And who are these sources so confident about Chris Paul's thinking? Better yet, how much "knowledge of Paul's thinking" do they really have? Oh, how I could rant right now...
Hornets May Deal Chris Paul Before Season
It’s looking like there is rising sentiment within the organization for the Hornets to deal Chris Paul before the season, according to sources close to ESPN. Considering there’s is just about no chance of the Hornets keeping him past the season, that’s great news. The only question now is whether or not we will see a complete and utter tear down. Either way, Dell’s seemingly more and more inevitable decision to deal Paul now, as opposed to after the season starts, leaves me confident in his ability to oversee what will likely at times be a difficult rebuilding process.
Sources told ESPN.com that Paul and Hornets general manager Dell Demps did have their expected sitdown at the team’s practice facility Monday and that the tone of the meeting was amicable. But Paul, sources said, did not tell the Hornets that he is prepared to sign an extension before the regular season opens Christmas Day, which only increases the likelihood that the Hornets deal the star guard this month.
That, of course, is contingent upon finding a palatable deal, but sources that the Hornets are determined to avoid the circus that swirled around the Denver Nuggets. Carmelo Anthony‘s standoff with the Nuggets went from September until February’s trade deadline before Denver finally completed an extend-and-trade deal with the New York Knicks.
It has long been assumed around the league that keeping Paul made the league-owned Hornets more attractive to prospective buyers, but sources told ESPN.com on Monday that the Hornets believe that they will be more appealing to potential suitors if they can stabilize the organization by bringing a resolution to the Paul saga as soon as possible.
CP3 is Judas and will always be in the people in New Orleans eyes just like Barron Davis.Jeff Bower is the blame for this franchise being in the predictament it's in and having Dell Demps cleaning up the mess.Why during Bower tenure as GM he trade Chandler for an horriable Okafor contract.Chandler had more talent and with CP they were one of the best duo in the NBA.
The Celtics have the best deal on the table Rondo-Jeff Gren in a sign and trade and future frist rd picks you use in the draft on trades for a player.you want an all star PG well here it is my money is on the Rondo trade.
What I don't understand is why all these superstar trades have to be for picks and crap. Who says no to this (I know the answer, but if I'm the clippers GM I do it) Hornets get: Blake Griffin Chris Kaman Eric Bledsoe Mo Williams Clippers: Sign Tyson Chandler as free agent Sign and Trade David West Chris Paul Trevor Ariza Marco Bellineli Clippers keep their Minny #1 pick, still keep Aminu for the future. They basically become the 08 Hornets that beat Dallas 4-1 in the first round and took the Spurs to 7, but have Eric Gordon as their starting SG instead of Jannero Pargo, and have 2 young potential guys in Farooq and the Minny pick. Clippers Become PG: Paul/Foye SG: Gordon/Bellini SF: Ariza/Aminu PF: West/Gomes C: Chandler You're at $62M before you fill out the roster, and you need a backup Center but you are competing for a championship with that roster because its a SOLID 9 deep, AND you have the minnesota pick still. Hornets get Griffin, they aren't complaining. There are all sorts of variations to this trade that can be done including taking an Amnestying Okafor (which won't cost that much, someone will pay him a good amount and you're only on the hook for the difference) to clear ALL of the Hornets bad contracts off their books in one fell swoop.
...and that's why you aren't the Clippers GM. They will never give up Griffin. Ever. Unless MAYBE they were offered Lebron for him
I know they won't, but this is why the NBA makes no sense to me. Chris Paul was just ranked the 4th best player in the NBA. That's Griffin's ceiling. Paul's already there. And not only are you getting Chris Paul but you're getting a championship caliber team to go with him. If you keep Blake and somehow don't land Chris Paul, then you're lucky if you make the playoffs and then losing him 5 years down the road just like we're losing Chris. If you trade all your young assets to get Chris, I don't think you're winning a championship yet, you still need more dominos to fall. That 9 man lineup is the favorite in the West tommorrow.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88qt3hl ….thats all I gotta say!!! The hornets can then spend money on J-Rich or Jamal Crawford or Tayshaun Prince, or even Caron Butler; imagine this Hornets team; F-Gasol, F-Prince, C-Okafor, G-Crawford, G-Nelson F-Bass, F-Pondexter, C-Gray, G-Belinelli, G-Jack THATS A GREAT TEAM! … DO IT DELL!!! L_REAZY
I assume you can get West and Chandler to get $10M/yr. Get chris Paul on the less money train like Lebron and Wade and you can make everyone happier if possible.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88qt3hl ....thats all I gotta say!!! The hornets can then spend money on J-Rich or Jamal Crawford or Tayshaun Prince, or even Caron Butler; imagine this Hornets team; F-Gasol, F-Prince, C-Okafor, G-Crawford, G-Nelson F-Bass, F-Pondexter, C-Gray, G-Belinelli, G-Jack THATS A GREAT TEAM! ... DO IT DELL!!! L_REAZY
3-TEAM TRADE PROPOSAL: Hornets receive- Pau Gasol, Jameer Nelson, & Brandon Bass Magic receive- Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, & Trevor Ariza Lakers recieve- Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, & the rights to David Andersen EVERYBODY WINS! L_REAZY
We'd have about $50M in players signed and only $8M in cap room to get a SG and SF. Don't think that gets us both prince and Crawford, perhaps one or the other. Lakers obviously do it and its not TERRIBLE for us, we'd probably stay in the playoff hunt, but why do the magic do it? Who plays point guard for them, and they're still way over the cap.
If CP3 goes to GSW, what exactly would the complete trade look like? CP3 and Ariza for Curry, Wright, Udoh, 1st rounder?
You Guys have it mixed up because when it says Hornets have the sixth lowest payroll it means that we have the sixth least money spend on Players and we spent about 42M and the lowest is Denver with 28M
In the celtics trade we get an all star in exchange for another so it wouldn't be no lost we get a player that can play in our system plus we don't have to worry about Rondo contract til after the 2014-2015 season.We pull this off and get Jamal Crawford and Glen Davis we've a young talented team.Do a sign and trade deal with West and him and Okafor to a team that would want the both of them i'm not sure who but if you think of team that would want let me know.
According towww.hoopshype.com it says the Celtics dont even require for CP3 to agree to resign but i dont think its true but if it is then hey have at it because we get Rondo, Jeff Green and 2 future 1st rounders but honestly if we can bring a third team in then i would be really satisfied but until then lets go with the trade talks Demps
So is everyone pretty much resigned to trading CP away. People keep talking about how we are Hornets fans before we are Chris Paul fans. Chris Paul has been the heart and soul of this franchise since we drafted him. Why are we so quick to look for replacements. We shouldn't resign ourselves to the fact that Chris Paul is leaving until he is on a flight somewhere else. Chris Paul is the heart of this franchise, let's not give him up yet. All of these rumors are just rumors until something actually happens. And until that happens I am going to be an avid supporter of keeping Paul in New Orleans. Jamal Crawford has stated that New Orleans is his number one choice to go. Havent we all been talking about that all the hornets need to compete is someone who can score. Well Crawford is pretty much asking to come here. So Dell make it happen. If CP really wants to leave, then we should trade him but the number one priority should be finding away to keep him here not find the best trade we can get for him.
hmmm just read the Hollinger breakdown. Worst rebounder in the NBA (and he's 6'6) and doesn't try on defense. Not a good recipe for success.
Big Easy - Additionally, his rebounding went from merely poor to You Can't Be Serious. Crawford is 6-6 and athletic; nobody expects him to outmuscle Kevin Love on the block, but you'd think a few boards would come his way just by dumb luck. Instead he rebounded only 3.4 percent of missed shots when he was on the floor, the single worst figure in the entire NBA. In a league that employed J.J. Barea, Earl Boykins, Aaron Brooks, Patty Mills and Pooh Jeter, among others, Crawford -- who, again, is 6-6 -- managed to land at rock bottom. This was not only the worst figure in the NBA last season, it was very nearly the worst in history by a player 6-6 or taller. However, it turns out that there was another 6-6 Hawk who was even worse -- Randy Wittman posted a 3.3 in 1986-87, as did one other player (Jim Paxson in 1989-90). So Crawford will have to be content with the four-point play record. The rebound rate ties in with another phenomenon -- Crawford just doesn't play that hard on defense. He lacks strength but his length and lateral quickness should offset it, especially when he's defending opposing point guards. It hasn't worked out that way.
Plus the Hornets already have a "recipe" for success we just need a few more ingredients to throw into the mix.
Being the broke college student I am, I dont have access to Hollinger's break down of players. So I checked ESPN's stats Belli averaged 1.7 rebounds a game and Crawford averaged 1.5 rebounds a game. If you want to throw out Crawfords 14 pts a game for Belli's 8 pts a game because of a .2 rebounding difference you are absolutely crazy. When a player plays with Chris Paul his play picks up dramatically. There is no telling what Crawfords play would look like playing with a true PG like Chris Paul. We need a scorer, not a rebounder Crawford gives us that. Plus its a big name player that could convince CP to stay.
On the same page!!! I'm tuning out all the media spins and just waiting for that big player NO needs (like Crawford). CP3 was supposed to be outta town for the last 3 or 4 years already and he hasn't....we'll wait and see.
CP, I feel for ya man. The state of the Hornets right now is like a ship with no captain. There is no discernable direction. That will not be fixed until this team has an owner other than David Stern. One cannot blame Paul for no wanting to wait for this to happen. Honestly, I think Chris genuinely wants to stay here, but given the facts of the Hornets situation, he just can't do it. When you remove yourself from sensationalist media, I think both Demps and Chris Paul are going about this the right way. Paul is making his intentions clear to the GM, and Demps has a responsibility to do what's best for this organization. Chris is a big name, so the media is going to blow this story WAAAAAAAY out of proportion. Now here is an interesting question: This newest CBA was, in some ways, a backlash from what transpired in Miami last summer. We all know this, but the NBA currently owns the Hornets. How then, could the NBA, given all their competitive balance talk all throughout this lockout, broker a deal that could send CP3 to the Lakers, knowing the Lakers are also targeting Dwight Howard. If this happens, what kind of message is the NBA sending to its fanbase? "We are all about competitive balance, except when it comes to the Purple and Gold." I just don't get it.
Forget about winning now. They couldnt even do it with CP and the 2008 roster. They sure aren't gonna against so-called super teams. Show me a team that won without building around franchise player acqired through the draft (which the hornets won't have). Magic. Bird. Hakeem. MJ. Duncan. Dirk, Wade, even Pierce. Only DET who did have Tayshaun, Okur, and the real MVP (Most Valuable Piece) that season Mr. Larry Brown while being gifted Rasheed out of nowhere. Forget about winning now, and please rebuild through the draft!
The Mavericks weren't a super team. Dirk was the only superstar on the team. Jason Kidd is old. Caron Butler hurt. Jason Terry is good but not a superstar. The Mavericks were a well built team. They put a bunch of roll players around their superstar and showed the world that you don't need a bunch of big names to win a championship. That's all the hornets need to do.
Let me reinterate what i was saying was The Hornets get Bynum and Odom we can stack up on some more bigs like Glen Davis,Landry and Gray.Also sign Jamal Crawford or Nick Young at SG and sign Stuckey or Shannon Brown at PG.We will have a young and talented veteran team at the end of the day.
Theres an angle here because if The Hornets will trade CP & Okafor to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom.plus sign Glen Davis,Landry,Crawford or Nick Young and Aaron Gray could be resigning the team.That will leave room for Marc Gasol or Nene i can see what Monty & Demps are thinking get bigger and tougher to compete in the west.
Other rumor: Steph Curry NOT FOR SALE and along with Klay Thompson are the only untouchables on the roster.
1) Why the hell do you want Monta Ellis, he won't help us win or rebuild, we'll just be a late lottery team every year 2) Why do you call him ME8? Has anyone ever called him that?
Rumor out of LA's side. LAKERS GET: CP3, Raja Bell UTAH GETS: Pau Gasol, Trevor Ariza NEW ORLEANS GET: Al Jefferson, Paul Milsap I JUST heard about this 10 minutes ago from a source that it is being discussed.
What would we do With Oak, Millsap and Jefferson? We'd be a little old and logjammed in the frontcourt and have no backcourt.
JUST got word of what the deal would look like if Minnesota is involved instead of the Jazz: MINNY GETS: Pau Gasol. Trevor Ariza LAKERS GET: Chris Paul. HORNETS GET: Derrick Williams. Michael Beasley. Anthony Randolph. Martell Webster. Luc Ridnour.
Give me Gordon and that Minnesota 1st rounder and I'll be on my merry way. Maybe try to flip Okafor or Ariza for Kamans expiring and grab Aminu as well, but that's secondary.
That's more like it, I can take Derrick Williams. Kahn would have to be an idiot to do this though, but it is KAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNN
"HORNETS GET: Derrick Williams. Michael Beasley. Anthony Randolph. Martell Webster. Luc Ridnour." Ridnour & Williams would be the only long term contracts. If Hoopshype salaries are correct for next year, Beasley & Randolph both would be qualifying offers & Webster has a team option. If those 3 don't work out, we could flip them or just don't give them their offers & cut ties & reload next year. Webster is still only 25 & has played for Monty before in Portland too correct?
Clips will not give up both Gordon and Jordan. Only one. And as of now will not give up Gordon at all unless CP3 signs an extension. GState is NOT interested in giving up Curry or Thompson. They are more focused on landing a starting Center, and Small forward and are looking to move Ellis and Beindrins to acquire that. The best option is still CP3 for Bynum straight up. The Lakers are offering Pau for CP instead though, so they can move Bynum and Odom for Dwight. If Hornets took Bynum for CP3, Lakers wont get Howard.
There's nothing I don't like about Jefferson or Millsap. I think Jefferson can be had for cheaper though and idk if you've heard other offers that have been floated, but this is nowhere near the best and doesn't help us rebuild. Not to mention that Utah is NOT going to want to get Pau Gasol. There's a reason they're trading Jefferson and Millsap.. It's because they already have a frontcourt logjam.
There is more involved. I dont know the full details yet. Draft picks and young players. Not sure which ones yet. I think the Lakers are offering up multiple draft picks, and the Jazz might throw in either Hayward or one of this years draft pics. And I'm being dead serious. It's really being discussed. The Lakers are getting a third team involved, and the third team will either be the Jazz or the Wolves.
What is it that you don't like? For sure I'm not a fan of Jefferson, but I really like Millsap (I had him in a trade a while back). It's great for Utah too if they can pair Ariza with Kirilenko. Still, I don't see how the Lakers get away with just giving up Gasol.