Hornets Lost to the Knicks or Something, But it’s Mardi Gras, So Whatever

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Published: March 2, 2011

The Hornets lost big to the Knicks tonight, but it’s hard to get too hung up on it. Call me a homer. Call me a fool. Call me whatever you want, actually. Tonight was not a true representation of the two teams that faced off against each other. The Hornets are a better team than the Knicks.

The Knicks are on an absolute roll. Since the acquisition of Carmelo their fans have taken their intensity to a new level, and for a few games they are going to be all but unbeatable. I talked a little about the mental aspect of sports in the brief preview, but perhaps I didn’t go quite far enough. Tonight was about the teams mental tenacity, and the Hornets just didn’t come prepared.

Right now the Hornets are reeling. They are mentally flawed. Call it apathy or simple lack of communication, but don’t make the mistake of calling them a bad team. They are good. They are not only good, but they have the potential to be so much more.

Jarret Jack

If there was any doubt it anyone’s might that Jack is a more than capable backup, the last two night should have put that to rest. The guy started for years, can play with Paul in the backcourt, and is capable of impacting important games.

He went for 21 points  on 13 shots, 5 assists,  zero turnovers, and 5 rebounds. Oddly enough, he easily could have gone for 24 points had either of his two relatively open three pointers on one possession had gone in. He’s always been a second half player, and hopefully this second half will continue into the playoffs for him.

He’s on fire right now. Let’s talk about Paul.

Paul

With Jack playing the way he is, it’s time to give CP3 a rest. As I noted in the pregame, he’s played the 8th most minutes in the entire NBA this year, and Monty is undeniably playing him in times in which the Hornets have nothing to gain with him on the floor. With 6 minutes left, down 20, Paul was on the floor with most of the starters. This has happened over and over this year. Why?

The game was over at the point. There was no reason to keep putting the burn on Paul’s legs/knee.

None.

Zero.

This isn’t the first time this happened, and it probably won’t be the last, unfortunately. Monty needs to do a better job restricting Paul’s unnecessary minutes or there won’t be much chance of a fresh CP3 for the postseason.

Game notes

  • I don’t have much to say. This is a short recap due to Mardi Gras, but I really want to know what people have to say about this one. Don’t go too negative, because you know that the effort we saw tonight isn’t representative of the talent that is on this team. Try to really evaluate what is wrong, and what fixes need to be made.
76 comments
Unknown
Unknown

Word is that Dwest was yelling at paul about how he was not playing with effort in frount of the players and the coaching staff in the playroom after the knicks game.

champsworld504
champsworld504

chris needs a reality check? bench him and start Jack, maybe the fire will return. no more babying him. man up so we can fan up!

Hornets fan in KC
Hornets fan in KC

This is as frustrated as I have been with the Hornets. I hope D West did go off on Paul in the locker room. His effort blows. Please don't turn into Baron Davis. He is being abused by NBA scrubs. Really looks like he is packing it in. Funny he never seems to be getting any type of treatment on the sidelines if he is hurt. I am so sick of hearing Monty preach defense. The offense is right there as one of the worst in the league. Do your job and work to make this offense better. You don't trade away one of your best scorers when you can't put the ball in the basket. Be honest if this doesn't look like a coach that has lost a team then I don't know what does. I have to give Jack some credit. He has been playing well on the offensive side of the ball. Landry is looking like he is glad to be out of Sacramento. I still would rather have Marcus. Of course I would play him. Good luck Marcus you will have a lot more productive career then Monty will coaching.

nikkoewan
nikkoewan

a ton of overreaction from fans who were spoiled by 2 10 game winning streaks. We'll come back, like I've said when we went on a slump back in our 1st 10 game winning streak and again NOW on our slump from our 2nd 10 game winning streak.

ryan a.
ryan a.

i agree with silent q, the effort isnt there. it also seemed that the hornets got caught up in new yorks pace and instead of slowing the gaming down and working the ball inside to west landry and okafor they were willing to settle for jump shots which is obviously not this teams strong point. not really sure what where the team that beat san antonia by 20 went but its hard to imagine that team coming back this season.

NOLA ALL DAY
NOLA ALL DAY

Whoever thinks Chris Paul is anywhere near where he used to be is on drugs…4 points against landry fields/tony douglas. Yeahhh……..What happenned to the Hornet’s motto? Purpose. Passion. Pride. More like Pointless. Pathetic. Playoffs? Im so disgusted…

Used-to-Bee Decent
Used-to-Bee Decent

I'm looking forward to seeing the team with quincy in the starting line up (if ariza is out of the memphis game). quincy looked great. got a steal, a nice dunk. crashed the boards for offensive rebounds. In the fourth when you had {Paul,Green,Pondexter,West,Okafor} as your five, that stretch was actually encouraging. I think Ariza is significantly better coming off the bench than he is in the starting. Lakers had it right. Ariza starting in Houston didn't work and it doesn't look good in New Orleans. we should use him in key defensive situations (similar to posey a couple of years ago)and as a second team player that can bring energy off the bench. Second Team? Jack, Belinelli, Ariza, Landry, and Smith/Gray not bad.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

You do know that when Ariza was healthy, he was a STARTER for the Lakers, right? Bynum. Pau. Ariza. Kobe. Fisher. He played the whole season through injury, and was finally healthy the second half of the season and started every game from then on.

Used-to-Bee Decent
Used-to-Bee Decent

ariza played in all 82 games and only started 20 in the 08-09 season. And as a starter he wasn't impressive. pre allstar break: GP-52 GS-1 MPG-22 PPG-8.6 Post allstar break: GP-30 GS-19 MPG-26 PPG-9.1 Starter: GS-20 MPG-28 PPG-10.1 REB-4.4 AST-1.5 Bench: GP-62 MPG-23.2 PPG-8.5 REB-4.3 AST-1.9

Archie
Archie

Some of the blame goest to Monty, i mean this team doesn't execute any play on offense, no ball circulations, no look at the weak side, no inside/outside ball movement, just a lot of dribble and some difficult kick off. For sure the old Paul could deliver by himself and maybe he can't now. But I wonder if this team as a playbook.

Silent Q
Silent Q

"Don’t go too negative, because you know that the effort we saw tonight isn’t representative of the talent that is on this team. Try to really evaluate what is wrong" Asked and answered, Joe. What's really wrong is that the team clearly isn't giving its best effort, and it's becoming a regular occurrence.

Okithor
Okithor

I remember that I said CP3 is no longer an elite PG and would average near 14 PPG and 8 APG. I caught a serious amount of heart ache from certain members of this site(42 and ziko.). Well I guess he is around 9.5 APG recently so it isnt as bad as my original prognosis. Funny thing is I feel next year he will recover physically and come back better then ever. He will have seen the game from a different vantage and be a smarter player.

42
42

You right... I may be crazy... But I just may be the luuuunatic you're looking for... - Billy Joel I may be wrong (on the quote), but it's close.

paul
paul

I think I understand about 10 percent of the game. But it has a few standards that are the same in all sports. I know before I begin a match in tennis, we hit around to warm up. I use that time to watch my opponant moves to see how he reacts to shots and see if there is anything I can use against him. Now, in basketball, it seems a good team has done it's work on you as well and should be adjusting to your game, and you theirs. How did we adjust to their game last night, or any of the previous losses? I saw us getting our defense handed to us under the basket. We sat Gray. 3 games in a reow he did not play. And yes, he did NOT play last night! Of course there are greater minds than mine involved with this complex game, but when you have a HUGE 7 foot center, one that has actually played very well every thime put into a game, but you keep him on the bench and lose 3 games in a row....you are playing stupid. Instead of playing your game, you are playing to their game. I am extremely disapointed by this player rotation. No, I am pissed.

andy
andy

To add: I don't think he reacts well to public criticism and its entirely possible he knew he was on the front page of ESPN today.

andy
andy

I'm a Chris Paul fan even more than I am a hornets fan, as I went to Wake with him and have been a hornets fan and ordering league pass each year since he's been drafted. However I can't help but be reminded of his last few college games, which I had successfully blocked out of my memory until tonight. This is clearly the toughest stretch of his professional career, so the only such adversity I can compare it to would be right before the ACC tournament when we were projected as a 1 seed lock and our first final four in 40 years. Chris got suspended for an ACC tournament game for an incident on the court and did not handle or play well in the tournament subsequently due to all the controversey. He was frustrated and not playing up to his potential and eventually dealt with the frustration by intentionally fouling himself out of our double OT loss in the second round of the NCAA tournament. I've seen no signs of that side of CP3 resurfacing in the 6 years since, however unfortunately he's also not dealt with any professional adversity since that incident so I don't know how that bodes for how he's going to respond to this.

Westbank Ripp
Westbank Ripp

I agree with Agent Ziko. Scoring for a losing team. LIKE THE HORNETS!!!!!!!!! The guy can play. Monty couldn't see it or wouldn't. I'm glad we got Landry, but like most of the fans said all year. PLAY MARCUS!!!!! He's clearly better than Belly and Green, his competition for minutes. That's why we are upset!!!!!

Just A Fan
Just A Fan

@Andy It was entertaining to watch. Unlike the game I watched prior to it. You know the 20 point clobbering the knicks put on the Hornets. @42 You are correct this team could possible be next right behind the Kings. I mean you trade away a fan favorite, when you really need to be trying to establish a fan base and keep this team here.

42
42

What do you know? Common ground. Good man, Just a Fan. I knew we could do it.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

Small rumor. DWest went AWOL on Paul in the locker room after the game in front of EVERYONE due to his effort and lack of passion. Coaches are trying to keep it under wraps.

42
42

Ziko, I have to ask here, but I really hate doing this: AWOL means Absence Without Official Leave. It's a military term that's been co-opted by the general public, much like FUBAR. Did D West go away? Or just 'go off'? I only ask because I'm a little confused. I know there was an exchange, according to your report. But did he leave after? I hate picking at words. Words are so fun, after all.

Hornet Seantonio
Hornet Seantonio

ROFLMAO i read AWOL and i was like where did David go? lol i thought he didnt show up for the bus or something lol. thanks 42

42
42

If you take that bus, you get there... Seantonio, everything I do, I do it for you...

Njennings
Njennings

It's known that west and paul have had a fiery relationship for awhile now. So this doesnt shock me

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

P.S. MT is doing what he does best: scoring points for a losing team.

jib
jib

The Kings record is terrible, but I watched some of the game, they were competitive against a Portland team that we struggled with, and if Marcus was not playing, the score probably wouldn't of been close. He's playing hard and with consistency, and he could've done that here but we gotta be honest, Monty gave him the cold shoulder, it is what it is but he shouldn't be blasted for playing good basketball. "We never had a problem. But it really wasn't a defensive thing, because if you look at all my game, I never let anybody just kill me. I don't know what it was. But now I'm going to Sacramento. Those were his guys he brought in and you've got to respect that." so don't even bring up defense, although he still cannot get through a screen to save his life lol

Sincerely Yours96
Sincerely Yours96

So wen marcus was putting up good numbers in limited minutes this year in N.O. wat was he doing?

Bug Marley
Bug Marley

You could have stopped after "scoring points". Give the kid a break. But anyway, I think it's good that Fluffy is calling out Christopher. That's what friends are supposed to do right?

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

id say losing by single digits to a playoff team without your best player (tyreke) is a pretty decent showing

Sincerely Yours96
Sincerely Yours96

I really dont know wat the hell is going on wit NO right now. *I know some of yall gonna get mad for this but i have to: MT23 - 26pts 2ast 2stl 2reb 4threes

ktrufant
ktrufant

I'm not one of the mad ones ... I'm not sure anyone is ... but why do you say you "have to"?

RobertM320
RobertM320

Steven, You mean you'd like to be one of those Kings fans who know that next season the team will be playing 500 miles away in Anaheim? Remember what it was like when all our home games were in OKC? I don't think there's too many Kings fans who are positive about their future, at least not their future in Sacramento.

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

id honestly not be to upset to be a kings fan at least they look to have a promising future compared to us on the other hand.... demarcus tyreke and MT uhhh sounds like a better future than an aging west 50% of what he used to be cp3 and limited in talent okafor

42
42

And how did that work out?

andy
andy

my guess is it was entertaining at least.

42
42

Yes. I'm sure. We all love losing. Especially when the Kings' fans have exactly 10 games left before their beloved team packs up and leaves town. A loss laden with hope for the future is exactly what they were hoping for. Put yourselves in the places of those Kings fans before talking about how fun these losses are. Oh, wait, we are next in line quite possibly?

yankeesman77
yankeesman77

I was also in the building…..Granted, it was section 343 but I was there, rocking a CP3 jersey no less and to say I was disappointed is an understatement. Before I get started, this was my first Hornets/Knicks game Ive ever gone to and to me the team looked flat and all around out of synch after the first quarter. Open looks on the wing and nothing. Open looks under the basket and nope. No calls. No defense. Pretty much a team destruction. When you allow Toney Douglas and Shawne Williams to get open looks and blow past your defenders on fast breaks, you’ve got problems. CP3 played awful as he’s been doing the last few games now and if I was Monty, even with Paul saying he’s “healthy” He needs to be bench and maybe not just for one game either, try to light a fire under his ass because right now, he’s not playing with anything and it’s really hurting this team when they can’t move in transition and the defense is playing right next to you. Just an awful game and after the Toronto loss, you have to question this team’s talent level and trying to upgrade at the position they need most…A scoring 2 guard who can pop threes on the wing consistently and that’s not Willie Green.

yankeesman77
yankeesman77

I want to go ballistic on how this team isn't playing hard right now and if Niko is right then GOOD. I want that fire and leadership under West because he's someone that IS trying to play hard out there unlike Paul from what we've seen lately. Knowing this team, they'll probably go on a small 5 game win streak or something before the regular season ends and everybody will hail this team again as righting the ship at the right time but this is a team right now that clearly isn't playing basketball fit enough to be playoff worthy. We can assure ourselves that we aren't getting home court advantage in the playoff but we have to play harder than this and we need to crush the Grizzlies if there is any more faith in this team.

yankeesman77
yankeesman77

*Ziko.....Sorry 'bout that. Trying to assimilate myself here from NY is a hard thing to do so far away. The wonders of the Internet.

BrickCity
BrickCity

What do people think about Paul going on the 15-day DL & allow the team to play at a slightly faster pace for 2 weeks & then see if Paul can come back as something close to his old self for whatever's left of the season . . . instead of this death-by-a-thousand-cuts?

Nik
Nik

im glad we made a hornets drinking game so it makes watching these games a little more bearable.. im soldily embedded in depression

Joe Gerrity
Joe Gerrity

hiet! hjafidf! afadifja. fafjaskdlfasldkfaskdf. -Results of playing the drinking game tonight.

Oc
Oc

1 positive was Quincy. That dunk was NASTY

TruthBeTold
TruthBeTold

This sounds like a coach that's lost his team and has conceded to not making the playoffs. Usually teams at the bottom of the league have coaches that talk about the summer time at this time of year, he should have just said next year for that matter. "I just think we didn't have the fight that we've had this year. I had to address some things after the game personally with some guys. I'm not going to get to the summer time and have stones that are unturned," Hornets coach Monty Williams said. "I cannot stomach guys that go out there and don't play with passion and go out there and play afraid. That's what I saw tonight." Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/gameflash/2011/03/02/29070_recap.html#ixzz1FVafbirW

L_REAZY
L_REAZY

Okay Chris Paul, here's what you wanted ... the first stepping stone to getting traded in the offseason right? 1st you demand a trade, 2nd you try to retain fans by stating that you want to win, but 3rd you start playing as terrible as you possibly can, and 4th you try and patch it up by stating "The loss was my fault", or 5th acting as if you really carewell, 6th I say go sit the pine, 7th you'll get another opportunity in the playoffs (if we make it), 8th if that doesn't work, then 9th you get your wish to be traded! I'm sick of this crap. Maybe I'm too much of a fan ... hell, I'm a grown damn man rooting this hard for players that don't wanna play! I work too hard for my money. L_REAZY

MaxJD_Nola2NYC
MaxJD_Nola2NYC

I just got home from the game, and boy this was painfull to watch. The highlight was that I met Victor Howell from CST, what a nice guy! Other than that from my observations off camera I say a lot of actual arguing from chris-david west and willie green but mostly dwest and cp3.. That's horrible considering they are the two Captains.. There are definitely internal problems and confident issues.. What really pissed me the hell of is that off camera Amare was leaning all over Cp3 in the 4th kind of making fun of him and then he returned with some fast movements and a bucket.. So its not that he can't its that he won't. There must have been three drives to the basket where he opted to pass first when he would have easily scored.. I was THE ONLY new orleans fan in the building wow was it loud and I was the only one cheering and basically the whole arena could hear me.. And what would u expect? A blowout.. But hey I called it if u look at the pregame... Smh

A.J.
A.J.

I was 3rd row, Section 309 with my little brother rocking my 2008 SW Division Champs t-shirt! You weren't alone! (although there were probably about 50 of us among the 19,000 at MSG)

TruthBeTold
TruthBeTold

The camera caught West yelling at CP3 for passing up the open layup telling him to "TAKE THE LAYUP"......sorry Hornets fans, but the ball is gaining downhill momentum!!!

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