Landry can definitely play the 5,similar to Big Baby in Boston. May not defend the rim as well as bigger guys, but when it comes to rebounding he can outrebound alot of backup big men. S-Jax would be perfect especially considering he can handle the ball and pass. I almost consider him a Joe Johnson without the ability to create his own shot. He used be deadly in the playoffs with the Pacers and even got his experience with the Spurs early on.
Hornets add Carl Landry, sacrifice fan favorite
Weeks ago Dell Demps told us that he was looking for a reliable, veteran big man to bring off the bench for the stretch run. On Tuesday night he accomplished that goal by finalizing a deal for Sacramento power forward Carl Landry. Landry, who is in his fourth year in the league, is having a down year based on the standard that he set last season, but is considered by most to be one of the most talented backup bigs in the NBA. This season he is averaging 12 points and nearly 5 rebounds in just over 26 minutes per game in his new role as a reserve for the Kings.
Of course, in the NBA, you have to give something to get something and in this case the Hornets had to give up the promising hometown hero Marcus Thornton. Thornton had long rumored to be on the trading block, as he did not seem to see eye to eye with first-year Head Coach Monty Williams due to their vastly different basketball philosophies. Thornton’s minutes have been sporadic all season, and with the improved play of Willie Green, MT5 became even more expendable in the eyes of Williams and Demps.
Thornton will be missed, but a reliable big man has been priority #1 since teams started to scout Jason Smith. Not only can Landry hit a 16-18 foot jumper, but he also offers the Hornets a post presence that they have not had from a big man since the days of Elden Campbell. Yeah, that’s right, I made an Elden Campbell reference.
After being acquired by Sacramento last season, Landry started all 28 games in which he played and averaged 18 PPG and 6.5 rebounds while shooting 52% from the field. The summer acquisitions of Samuel Dalembert and DeMarcus Cousins, coupled with the fact that both Jason Thompson and Omri Casspi get minutes at the power forward position, meant a reduced role for Landry, and because of that his play has suffered a bit this season.
Landry has thrived in the past when coming off the bench, most notably in his 3rd season with the Rockets in which he averaged 16 PPG and 5.5 rebounds in just over 27 minutes as a reserve. His first two seasons in the league were also incredibly efficient, as he shot nearly 60% from the field, averaged over 1.5 points per shot, and pulled in an average of 10 rebounds every 36 minutes.
The question is two-fold when it comes to the acquisition of Carl Landry:
1.) Is this down season just a result of him not having a clearly defined role on a bad team?
2.) Is Carl Landry merely a 4 month rental, or might he return next season?
The first question is hard to answer, and as you look at the advanced statistics, you actually see that his performance is not all that different from last season when he put up eye popping numbers. His individual offense rating and defensive rating are fairly similar, his offense rebounding percentage is up while his defensive rebounding percentage is slightly down, and his usage rating is almost exactly the same.
What can not be measured statistically is just how much more invested he might become playing for a contending team. One can only assume what it was like for Landry to go from playing in the playoffs his first two years to being shipped to a team that was clearly at the beginning stages of a rebuilding process. Perhaps he is on the decline, or the league has figured him out, but I find it far more likely that the Hornets will get the Carl Landry that terrorized opponents his first three years in the league.
As for the second question, it is far more likely that Landry is on another team next year than any scenario that ends with him being on the Hornets. Both he and David West will be free agents next offseason, and the Hornets will make every effort to bring David West back into the fold, meaning that Landry is more likely to get his next contract else where.Â If West does leave, however, Landry is not a bad consolation prize. Quite frankly, he is probably the guy that the Hornets would have pursued if they lost David West, so this could be a nice audition period for both Landry and the team.
It was clear to Dell Demps that Marcus Thornton was not part of this team’s long term plans, and so it was simply a matter of who this team needed more over the next four months- Thornton or Landry. In a market like this, where there are so few front court options available, Demps was smart to jump on Landry when he could. He knows that there at half a dozen quality shooting guards that could be had for a package of Marcus Banks, Jason Smith and/or Marco Belinelli, but it is hard to find a quality big man with an elite low post game in this league. So when Demps had the opportunity, he pulled the trigger, and because of it the Hornets are now a better team than they were yesterday.
My favorite thing about Landry: He is a big man that DUNKS THE F'N BALL when he goes to the Hole! We don't have any of those! Mek likes to flush it without touching the rim. (I seriously think his father either yelled at him as a kid for breaking rims, or he thinks they are orange because they are made of lava.) D-West will as an option of last resort. Same with Gray, Smith... Mbenga just likes to Mbrick the ball, so he doesn't count. Oh, and he knows how to freaking go for an Alley-oop. Not as versatile and 'ooper as Tyson, but really how many are?
From a Kings fan, who loves Landry's game, he will fit much better in the Hornet system than he did in Sacramento. We dont know what the term "ball movement" is and he rarely saw the ball during an offensive set unless he got an offensive rebound. You will love how he works and how he plays. Good luck!
its a good trade because the top teams in the nba have big men that run the floor and thats what landry does. im sad to see marcus go but thats what we need. now we need to get a fearless SG like S jax oh and fuck miami
"According to the Record, the Nets would send point guard Devin Harris, rookie forward Derrick Favors and two-first round draft picks to Utah for the two-time NBA All-Star Williams. New Jersey would also send forward Troy Murphy to the Golden State Warriors for centre Dan Gadzuric and forward Brandan Wright." http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=355035 And Joe has it up in the news: http://www.hornets247.com/news/2011/02/23/deron-williams-traded-to-new-jersey/
Look, I don't think we got "robbed" by any stretch of the imagination. It just sucks because you don't find players that you are drawn to that often. The type of players that end up being your favorite players in the league. To have 2 guys that literally made last year (and a losing season) a blast and to see neither of them in a Hornets uni this year and getting railroaded out of town is sad. BTW, we just lost our best perimeter defender off the bench. Odd how that happened.
Source close to MT5..... ( i aint talking bout 1st cousin close.... Im talkin bout immediate family/best friend Close ) word is he loves playin at home and dont rule out MT5 returning to NOLA next year because he puts that over his bad relationship with Monty/CP3/Green. yeah, word is he didnt get along with CP3. More is ( i think its just his fustration with leavin ) he plans to ball on the Hornets in March. Don't be bitter MT5.....we still love you.
I said this a few times now, but people dismissed it. I knew CP and MT didn't click. Other than Monty, who else would chew up MT when he did anything wrong? Look at his expression and arms every time MT forced plays. People keep blaming Monty for MT not getting time this season. Maybe, just maybe, CP had a little more to do with this than anyone thought? Especially if Demps asked CP, DW, and Mek what their opinions are regarding hims moves?
It has always seemed logical. Ever since the new regime came in, the people that come in are guys CP3 likes and the guys who leave are not. I saw it as well all preseason and early season, CP3 would glare at the bench when Marcus did something like jack up a quick shot, or not go where CP3 wanted him during a set. Then Monty would pull him. I don't think it was ego, but maybe. Buckets gets a bigger O than CP3 when he comes off the bench. Superstars, even humble ones, have big egos. They have to in order to think they can take down any and every opponent. I always thought what Ryan is saying is true. If he had his druthers, Marcus would come back and play for the Hornets even if he has to deal with more BS than on any other team. I think it is family and his desire to be around his mother. I don't fault him, I think it is honorable. Family means more to some than others, and it would be great for us fans in NOLA if that brought him back. But sadly, if he blows up the Kings will match anything reasonable, and Dell will NEVER overpay to get him back. It may be 2 years before we see Marcus back... funny how that may be right around the time CP3 may be on his way out.
So at the end of last year our line up was Paul/Collison Mo-Pete/MT5 Peja/Posey West/Songaila Okafor/Gray now it is Paul/Jack Green/Belinelli Ariza/Landry/Q-Pon West/Landry Okafor/Gray/Landry Good job to Demps. The team is vastly improved and we are more flexible than ever.
I agree. Significant upgrade overall even if it is tough to see young talent go to get there, but if we stand any chance whatsoever of keeping Paul, management needs to show they aren't afraid to make these moves to make the team better now. Especially with Deron Williams going to NJ today, I'm starting to see even more writing on the wall that CP's wedding toast of his buddies "own big 3" may come true next season. I am holding out hope that will not be the case but I'm not betting on it. just going to try to enjoy the ride for the next season and a half while we have him. I just hope next season doesn't turn into the Melo mess that has held Denver hostage all season.
MT is gonna get to start RIGHT AWAY. Tyreke Evans out for the next THREE WEEKS with plantar fascitis. I bet thats a big reason they wanted MT.
I've been watching this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4JY__bV2o and crying my eyes out all morning. Thornton will be missed. No one could deny that he could flat out score. That being said, I think the trade is good. Carl Landry is a hardworking guy that will fit in well with our group. It will be interesting to see if Demps tries to move Jack. I think this is going to be a very exciting second half for the Hornets.
yes patience my young padwaan. wipe your tears with some hot carl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTHTmeDvShQ
I think it's a win for all parties. We get our back up, Sacto gets some guard help, Thornton will get PT, and Landry will play for a winner. It's really tough to see Marcus go, but it had to be done. Farewell, Marcus. You will be missed. Let's embrace Landry though. He's a great player and great guy.
Its sad to see mt5 go, but landry is a very soild backup big man. im excited. It shows the demps is always looking 2 improve the team. We are really moving in the right direction. The main question we all gotta ask is CP3 happy with the move? Thanks for the hard work Demps i think you are doing a really good job. Lets kick the clippers bum tomorrow. GO HORNETS
42's latest post had a question about CP's and D-West's input on trades and Demp's says that they do have some input, so i think they'd be happy with the trade
Something else I'd like to point out as well is that I happen to know Carl Landry is very religious. I say that only because of the tight bond most of our players have during the half-court prayers. I think that will help him fit in personality-wise with this group as well. Maybe that's a stretch but I see it as a plus with this Hornets roster.
I don't think that can be discounted. I think that is one of the reasons why Willie Green has the place he has in CP3, Monty, and Dells heart. I believe that is one of the reasons Green will resign with the Hornets for around what he is paid now in the offseason. I think he feels at place, and the organization likes him in that place. Maybe, that might help up keep Landry and Dwest. I think it would be the only thing short of a title that would get Landry to stay on after this season.
Finally, some much needed D improvement. Also, gonna put a gag on the weird man-love-rambling for a local scorer who wasn't really all that complementary to the team philosophy and style... Seemed like many of our recent losses have seen an inability to hold on the late leads, and swapping a bull for a matador is going to have some significant impact when it's close.
Thornton will be missed. But we really came out on top big time in this trade. Thornton wasn't gonna work out here, just like Julian Wright. Basically traded dead weight for a player that'll fit right in. But unlike Wright, Thornton's should be good for the Kings.
I don't know why some people think Landry won't get PT, and why he will only see time at the 4. Reminder ya'll. Okafor is a PF playing C. I think Landry will see more time backing up Mek than he will West. Landry is a POST player. He does well hanging around the basket. This won't interfere with him playing alongside West. When Landry played for Houston, he did his most damage playing alongside Luis Scola, who roamed the perimeter the way West does, and Landry hung around the basket for quick baskets off of rebounds and dishes. If Jason Smith can play Center, so can Landry. He's 6'10, and very physical. I expect the rotation to be shortened with Okafor, West, and Landry getting MOST off, if not all the time up front, with Jason Smith getting 5-10 minutes a game. Gray won't see many more minutes this season. I think we will acquire a SG. I don't know who yet. I think thats why Andersen was held out of the deal. Expect to see either Marco or Quincy gone as well.
Landry is beast. Ready for the crescent city connection with him and cp, little known fact bout landry...boy can get UP! This guy finishes at the rim and strong and if need be he can shoot the mid, he boards and bangs. exactly what we needed.
ziko, we have often disagreed on points. (many regarding thornton n beli) but I agree, I havnt seen anyone else cept you and myself raise this. Landry CAN and HAS played the 5 before. Recently we have seen trevor at the 4 a bit and Landry has the physicality to guard ANY backup big. I am a rare JR Smith lover, if we could get him this trade is an awesome one. Id even be inclined to start green at the 2 and have JR spell him and trev at the 3 with Landry spellin our bigs. They could be the 2 best bench players we have had in um.. i dno cant remember that far back.
He's got versatility, but I think people are focusing on his mid-range game. Small ball with Landry will be interesting to see our offensive output. Listed 6' 9" too. I know that inch doesn't make much of a difference, but when centers are usually stereotypically 7' up, he's definitely an undersized 5.
if you guys are judging landry on his recent plays dont blame him its sacramento that can make any player do worse than they are capable of because it is hard for any one of them to really get to be comfortable in their position on the team with it constantly changing and with the reke/cousins ball hogging abilities im pretty sure marcus thorton is gonna look worse i been following landry for a while and the dude is a beast as for rebounding he is one of the reasons the kings led in offensive rebounds
S.Jax would be perfect on this team.....and I love the Landry trade that guy plays hard , hate to see MT5 go but hey
Wow MT5 was my 2nd fave player behind CP3... I agree I don't think we would have resigned Marcus, and I don't think we'll resign Landry, but if we get Iggy, Jax, or JR Watch out because CP will turn it on in the playoffs!
Out of curiosity if we were give up on the year, what could we get for West + expirings? West is a UFA and could quite easily come back. We're not winning a championship with Paul limping around anyways. What players could we get with that package that gives us the flexibility to give him his deal next year to get him back?
Really interesting that they held onto Anderson... Makes me wonder who they're going to package now. It's either gonna be: Banks, Anderson, Belinelli= $9,727,856 High: $12,159,820 Low: $7,295,892 Or Banks, Anderson, Pondextor = $8,420,866 High: $10,526,083 Low: $6,315,649 Crazy how specific of a player you can decide to look for when you narrow the price range.
That Andersen/Belli/Banks package can land us Jackson for sure, but the question is would we have to send more than just expirings? And would they want us to take on extra contracts? I have a hard time believing Charlotte would give up Jackson for bench players unless we did them a favor by taking someone's unsightly contract. Carrol maybe?
im with u seantonio, but if we can pull off a j.r. smith, terrance williams, stephen jackson, rip hamilton and if we got marvin williams and moved him to the 3 abd ariza to the two i would be damn excited for the rest of the season
This is where emotion and business conflict. I don't think we got talent-for-talent (various reasons), but if Landry can replicate his first three seasons, it's good. But my friend reminded me Landry hasn't really been the same since he was shot. Best of luck to Thornton. I hope you usurp the starting position for Sac-Town.
Thornton's contract is up at the end of this year too so the only difference is that by the end of the year his name will be on the Sac-town roster but he'll still be a FA for EVERY team in the league to go after. Maybe it's just a partial loan! haha We prob won't get him back but putting this into perspective he probably wouldnt have been on this roster next year anyway so why not get something for him now? Bench-play can make or break a team in the playoffs. So even though Landry won't get more than 20-21 mins. in the playoffs he will help us out tremendously. Jason Smiths "hustle" just isnt cutting it anymore. If we make a pretty good run in the playoffs maybe we can get Landry to take on a cheap(er) bench role. Plus we FINALLY have someone to guard Lamar Odom. DANG! I wish somehow we couldve got Jason Thompson in this deal...maybe a lil greedy