Hornets add Carl Landry, sacrifice fan favorite

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Published: February 22, 2011

Weeks ago Dell Demps told us that he was looking for a reliable, veteran big man to bring off the bench for the stretch run. On Tuesday night he accomplished that goal by finalizing a deal for Sacramento power forward Carl Landry. Landry, who is in his fourth year in the league, is having a down year based on the standard that he set last season, but is considered by most to be one of the most talented backup bigs in the NBA. This season he is averaging 12 points and nearly 5 rebounds in just over 26 minutes per game in his new role as a reserve for the Kings.

Of course, in the NBA, you have to give something to get something and in this case the Hornets had to give up the promising hometown hero Marcus Thornton. Thornton had long rumored to be on the trading block, as he did not seem to see eye to eye with first-year Head Coach Monty Williams due to their vastly different basketball philosophies. Thornton’s minutes have been sporadic all season, and with the improved play of Willie Green, MT5 became even more expendable in the eyes of Williams and Demps.

Thornton will be missed, but a reliable big man has been priority #1 since teams started to scout Jason Smith. Not only can Landry hit a 16-18 foot jumper, but he also offers the Hornets a post presence that they have not had from a big man since the days of Elden Campbell. Yeah, that’s right, I made an Elden Campbell reference.

After being acquired by Sacramento last season, Landry started all 28 games in which he played and averaged 18 PPG and 6.5 rebounds while shooting 52% from the field. The summer acquisitions of Samuel Dalembert and DeMarcus Cousins, coupled with the fact that both Jason Thompson and Omri Casspi get minutes at the power forward position, meant a reduced role for Landry, and because of that his play has suffered a bit this season.

Landry has thrived in the past when coming off the bench, most notably in his 3rd season with the Rockets in which he averaged 16 PPG and 5.5 rebounds in just over 27 minutes as a reserve. His first two seasons in the league were also incredibly efficient, as he shot nearly 60% from the field, averaged over 1.5 points per shot, and pulled in an average of 10 rebounds every 36 minutes.

The question is two-fold when it comes to the acquisition of Carl Landry:

1.) Is this down season just a result of him not having a clearly defined role on a bad team?

2.) Is Carl Landry merely a 4 month rental, or might he return next season?

The first question is hard to answer, and as you look at the advanced statistics, you actually see that his performance is not all that different from last season when he put up eye popping numbers. His individual offense rating and defensive rating are fairly similar, his offense rebounding percentage is up while his defensive rebounding percentage is slightly down, and his usage rating is almost exactly the same.

What can not be measured statistically is just how much more invested he might become playing for a contending team. One can only assume what it was like for Landry to go from playing in the playoffs his first two years to being shipped to a team that was clearly at the beginning stages of a rebuilding process. Perhaps he is on the decline, or the league has figured him out, but I find it far more likely that the Hornets will get the Carl Landry that terrorized opponents his first three years in the league.

As for the second question, it is far more likely that Landry is on another team next year than any scenario that ends with him being on the Hornets. Both he and David West will be free agents next offseason, and the Hornets will make every effort to bring David West back into the fold, meaning that Landry is more likely to get his next contract else where. If West does leave, however, Landry is not a bad consolation prize. Quite frankly, he is probably the guy that the Hornets would have pursued if they lost David West, so this could be a nice audition period for both Landry and the team.

It was clear to Dell Demps that Marcus Thornton was not part of this team’s long term plans, and so it was simply a matter of who this team needed more over the next four months- Thornton or Landry. In a market like this, where there are so few front court options available, Demps was smart to jump on Landry when he could. He knows that there at half a dozen quality shooting guards that could be had for a package of Marcus Banks, Jason Smith and/or Marco Belinelli, but it is hard to find a quality big man with an elite low post game in this league. So when Demps had the opportunity, he pulled the trigger, and because of it the Hornets are now a better team than they were yesterday.

113 Comments

  1. Hornet

    February 22, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    You don’t think we can keep Landry + West?

    I can’t see Landry getting over 6 a year which would just replace Banks + Andersen from this essentially.

    • 42

      February 22, 2011 at 10:34 pm

      West is making 8 and will make 12+/-2 next year, which eats up Banks’ allotment.

      If you want an improved roster elsewhere (2?), then I don’t see Landry signing here for what he will probably ask for, CBA pending.

      • 504ever

        February 23, 2011 at 5:17 pm

        I am not so sure that Hornets can’t afford West and Landry. Why can’t they? The Hornets have Banks’ expiring contract, and Anderson’s contract for 2011-12 is not guaranteed. So Anderson’s contract is expiring, too. Add in Marcus’s salary and that is $7M of cap space that will be freed up in 2011-12, just what you need to sign West at $12M and Landry at $6M. (And they may come a little cheaper, saving $1-2M in 2011-12.)

        Then next question is how much do you have to pay Green, Belinelli, and Smith in 2011-12? They currently make a total of $8.5M. I suggest you can get them for around that amount, perhaps a little less.

        The final question to me is what will the new CBA be like? Will there be a hard cap? If so, will it be lower than the cap tax figure? Will the new CBA allow the Hornets be able to get out from under Jack’s $5M salary in 2011-12? Jack is really a turnover prone, drive first, shooting guard masquerading as a back-up point guard. In any light, his 2011-12 salary seems way too high (just like he was the other night in Atlanta).

        My bottom line is this is a great trade both short and long term, and I expect the Hornets to make it work long term.

  2. 42

    February 22, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    So . . . are we done?

  3. Aussie Hornet

    February 22, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Understand that this makes us better but devistated to lose Marcus Thornton. Bloody loved that kid. This is tough. I dont know what to think really but its is a bit sahort sighted to give up a great young player for a guy who is likely to leave after 4 months? Meaning we are probably trading MT5 for nothing? Dont mean to get sidetacked but in 09 draft we got two steals with amazing rookies, Collison and Thornton, and instead of them blossoming into really good players as Hornets, they were both shipped out for likely Trevor Ariza and thats it. On the other hand we were clearly not going far with Mbenga and Smith our only bench bigs. Despite all these unsure and mixed feelings, I still LOVE Demps as hes determined to make lots of moves to make the Hornets better.

  4. Michael McNamara

    February 22, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    I just don’t see the Hornets paying a total of 11 million per year to backups at the PG and PF position, when their best starting positions are PG and PF. West and Landry can’t really be on the court together, meaning Landry would have better long term opportunities elsewhere. Hard to envision both guys resigning, but I would love to be wrong on this.

    Side note- Hornets are one trade away IMO from getting right back into legit contender talk. Banks and Belly for S Jax would look mighty nice.

    CP3/Jack
    Jackson/Green
    Ariza/Q-Pon
    West/Landry
    Okafor/Gray

    Can’t complain.

    • Michael McNamara

      February 22, 2011 at 10:42 pm

      Since Anderson is not part of the deal, add him and Smith from us and give me Nazr as well. That starting 5 plus Jack, Landry, Green, and Nazr would give the Hornets their best 1-9 ever.

      • rmorales07

        February 22, 2011 at 10:52 pm

        1. Whats Jack’s status on the DUI?
        2. What this means to West re-signing?
        3. How possible do you see the SJAX trade?

      • edbballin504

        February 22, 2011 at 11:34 pm

        That deal sounds too good to be true. Would be great though if we pulled it off. I am not a Stephen Jackson fan, but on that team he’d be perfect! Wow! lol

    • Nik

      February 22, 2011 at 10:44 pm

      S jax just got injured in their last game against Memphis… not a viable canidate anymore?

      • Michael McNamara

        February 22, 2011 at 10:47 pm

        He said that he could have returned tonight if the game was close. No concern.

    • 42

      February 22, 2011 at 10:52 pm

      Banks, exception, and roster space . . . can we be a team used to help make room on a roster and get a piece? A 3?

    • oc

      February 23, 2011 at 12:54 am

      why cant landry n west play together? landry loves the low post, west… not so much

  5. lancebrou68

    February 22, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    s-jax got hurt tonight

  6. Joe Gerrity

    February 22, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Obviously disappointing for a lot of us. I’ll post a good bye tomorrow before the game against the Clippers on ESPN.

  7. lancebrou68

    February 22, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    can someone ask there sources if dell is done….mac, ziko, somebody????

    • 42

      February 22, 2011 at 10:56 pm

      Dell cut short an event tonight, all but said that the most desirable trade is a guard going out for a bench big, and said a trade happening was 60-40.

    • AgentZiko

      February 23, 2011 at 12:01 am

      No. He’s not done. There are a few more things brewing. The Jamison trade is still on the table, believe it or not. Thornton wasn’t involved in that.

      • cp3pdx

        February 23, 2011 at 12:20 am

        Really??? He would be our 13 mil 3rd string pf. I dont buy him being able to play the 3 at this point any better than James Posey can

  8. Michael McNamara

    February 22, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    If these guys could all be had for expirings, who would Hornets fans prefer?

    Rip Hamilton
    JR Smith
    Stephen jackson
    Corey Maggette
    Marvin Williams
    Antawn Jamison

    • Nik

      February 22, 2011 at 10:53 pm

      T Will from houston

    • 42

      February 22, 2011 at 10:59 pm

      Jackson.

      Where’s the source for Andersen not being included? I see either/or stuff.

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      February 22, 2011 at 11:02 pm

      1) Smith
      2) Maggette
      3) S-Jax

      Hamilton – HELL NO

    • edbballin504

      February 22, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      I’d prefer Jackson, he gives us a toughness and edge…seems to fit upper managements desire to what they want our identity to be. Man thats a really good team if we got him on this current team.

      • Justin

        February 22, 2011 at 11:45 pm

        I agree. From a basketball standpoint, I think it’s great. The only hesitation would be his offcourt (and sometimes on court) history.

      • edbballin504

        February 22, 2011 at 11:53 pm

        Off court would be an issue but I consider our team a veteran team, so they would keep him in line. I just love the idea of a 6’8″ SG that is tough and won’t back down. With Ariza alongside him, Okafor doing the dirty work downlow, West playing with heart and passion, and CP3 the competitive willed player that he is, its just a beautiful combination. Our team won’t go down easy. We’d put up a fight with anyone.

      • Justin

        February 23, 2011 at 12:05 am

        Yeah I agree with all of that. Our team D would be better as well as Jackson is a pretty good defender and I think Landry is fairly solid. If we could somehow pull that off, I could actually see that team having a chance to win a playoff series. I didn’t think we had a chance to win in the playoffs with little depth from our bigs even when we were playing well. I think Landry helps but not sure he’s the difference in winning a series or not, but if you turn some expirings into Jackson then I think that is a pretty solid team.

    • Justin

      February 22, 2011 at 11:43 pm

      1) Jackson 2) Maggette Maggette has never played on a winning team though and I’m not sure how well his game fits into the team game. He definitely has the ability to create his own shot and can get to the line like no other. I’d strongly consider it but would need to weigh everything – his contract, how he fits with what we have, and does he make us significantly better. I would do the deal for Jackson if he’s healthy. Jamision offers some good things but I think he plays better from the 4 than the 3 and am not sure how well our offense would run if both West and Jamison were starting. I don’t think you can make the deal for Jamison unless he’s going to start and then what do you do with Ariza? His defense is needed in the starting line-up and I don’t want him as our starting 2.

    • AgentZiko

      February 23, 2011 at 12:02 am

      Jackson. Without question. He’s underrated. He can shoot, defend, pass, rebound… probably one of the best available players we could get to put next to CP and West for a 1-2-3 punch.

      • Justin

        February 23, 2011 at 12:10 am

        I think the only reason he doesn’t get talked about more is because he’s generally thought of as being kind of crazy. but I agree that he definitely brings a lot to his teams – including some unwanted outside distractions at times. I think it depends on who else is on his teams as to whether they become team distractions. He hasn’t had anyone in Golden State or Charlotte to keep him in line. Making him a team captain like Golden State did and maybe Charlotte too is playing with fire. He can be a pretty good leader on the court though with his effort.

      • AgentZiko

        February 23, 2011 at 12:24 am

        SOOO true. And he isn’t THOUGHT of as being crazy. He is KNOWN for being crazy. LoL. I think the guys a stud, and if placed in the right situation would KILL it. He’s not a number 1 guy, but has played as one the past few years. With CP and DWest at the helm? Dude would tear it up.

      • Gec

        February 23, 2011 at 3:33 am

        Jackson is 33.

    • cp3pdx

      February 23, 2011 at 12:26 am

      JR is the only one whose contract wouldnt hurt our chances of keeping West. Jack might be worth the risk… Maggette I wouldnt touch

      • Justin

        February 23, 2011 at 10:59 am

        Yeah, I don’t think I’d touch Magette either. I think he has a couple years left on his deal and I’m not sure it makes us significantly better. Also wouldn’t want him if it affects our ability to keep West.

    • chiefyoungblood

      February 23, 2011 at 3:05 am

      Captain Jack. just get him to the playoffs , let him do his thing

  9. JNR

    February 22, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    I liked Thornton too, but I think getting Landry is a great move. I also think that if we’re not done, and we can find a dynamic 2 guard, that the rest of the way will be a ton of fun to watch.

  10. PeeDee

    February 22, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    My favorite player is now gone……I dont even wanna go to the game tomorrow night…im fucking pissed..The Kings would be on my league pass asap

    • nola all day

      February 22, 2011 at 11:07 pm

      i feel u man im really really hurt to see him go. ima be watching him do good things in sacramento, maybe he’ll come back u never know, but damn i wanted to see this kid grow up as a great hornet and he still has the potential to be awsome…He will be missed

  11. lancebrou68

    February 22, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    anderson is not included in the trade only thonrton and cash, so anderson could be very well be in another deal

    • andy

      February 22, 2011 at 11:50 pm

      Does this put us over the tax line if true? If so, does that indicate we have another deal coming? Landry makes 2.2M more than thornton in a full year, but I’m not a cap/tax expert?

      • 42

        February 23, 2011 at 12:10 am

        no.

  12. lancebrou68

    February 22, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    i think i woud love either jr rip or marvin williams

  13. DownUnder

    February 22, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    End of a mini era, I loved Thornton last year and at parts this year but im fine with this, the team is deeper now and the Thronton playing time debate can be finally put to rest.

  14. MaxALM

    February 22, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    We won’t be able to measure the true value of this trade until the Hornets are out of the playoffs. If we get bombed out of the first round, then we gave up Thornton for nothing. If we make it to the end of the second round or WCF, then it was probably a good move, on two conditions: How well did Landry play in the playoffs? How did Green and Belli play in the playoffs?

    I know Landry is a great backup big and what this team desperately needs, but I can’t get over the fact that we gave up a promising stud for a guy that we are renting for a pitiful 3 months.

    • Justin

      February 22, 2011 at 11:52 pm

      That’s what’s hard for me, too. The feeling that we gave up on him way too early. I do think Landry helps for remainder of the season and makes us better but when I look at it big picture I see it amounting to maybe 1 extra playoff win if we don’t fall completely out of the picture. I think if we were going to trade him anyway this offseason than if you ask me who’s game I think we need more for the next 4 months, the answer is Landry easy. It won’t sit well with me though whether we traded him now or in the offseason to watch him explode next season for that team. He’s also going to get a lot more minutes I think because he’s basically going to be competing against Luther Head for backup minutes to Tyreke and they will probably play Tyreke and MT5 together alot rather than Beno and Tyreke.

  15. SJ

    February 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Don’t like the trade, Landry will not see enough time to trade away a player who could potentially develop into an elite scorer. I actually really like Landry’s game, more so the Jamison’s, but Laundry is stuck at the 4 and only the 4on this team, because (correct me if I’m wrong) there is no way his foot speed lets him guard elite 3s, and he is not seeing time at the 5 being so small. I don’t know why the kings wanted Marcus either though, at this point in their career, he’s a poor man’s Tyreke Evans.

    • Justin

      February 22, 2011 at 11:56 pm

      Well, they wanted Marcus because their backup guards blow and I agree his game is somewhat similar to Tyreke’s. Landry is probably too slow to guard elite 3’s but we don’t need him for that. That’s what Ariza is for. Landry can actually play a little bit at the 5 as he has at times because he can be quite physical and sometimes plays bigger than he is. I remember when he broke his teeth in a game a couple years back.

  16. Ryan

    February 22, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Hornets trade Thornton
    Saints release Shockey…….

    Im not happy, but good luck to the both of them. Welcome to NOLA Landry!

  17. edbballin504

    February 22, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    David Aldridge just tweeted that Anderson is not in the deal, straight up Marcus for Carl. Does this mean anything worthy of debate??

  18. Chuck

    February 22, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    I honestly think this is great for us because we need Landry a lot more now than an inconsistent Thornton. I might be alone in this, but I don’t think we were keeping Thornton past this season. If he opts out he’s an RFA and with him and Monty obviously not seeing eye-to-eye, I doubt the Hornets would match whatever he could get on the open market just because he’s a hometown boy.

    Also, I have no idea at all why Sacto did this. They already have Tyreke, who’s a super rich man’s Thornton, and Udrih is probably a better starter at this point in their careers. I get that they have a logjam at PF, but there weren’t guys they wanted more? Oh well, not complaining

    • cp3pdx

      February 23, 2011 at 12:32 am

      It’ll be interesting to see what MT gets dollar-wise this summer.

  19. GregZ94

    February 22, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Well now we can include Anderson along with Banks and Belli or Green in a trade for a quality SG

  20. lancebrou68

    February 22, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    landry can play the 3 in a big line up and also who needs him to guard elite 3’s when we have ariza for that

  21. Just A Fan

    February 22, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Sad sad day for MT-5 fans. I’m going to really miss this dude and the energy he brought to the hive. I can’t see Landry staying here long term but who knows. I hope there will be some value in this move because we have given up a lot in MT-5.

    • Mark

      February 23, 2011 at 12:14 am

      I hope he doesn’t end up like Bonzi Wells. I wanted to resign that guy so badly the next season (even as functional fodder), but that went kaput.

  22. SJ

    February 22, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    West and Ariza will both log 40 minutes in the playoffs, that gives Landry just 16 minutes to make his mark if he gets Ariza’s minutes. They will not both be back on this team next year, just one or the other. I don’t understand this trade, unless Demps already has something else lined up to improve our SG position. We needed a guy who could effectively play the 4 and 5 like Jamison or Murphy.

    I’d love to be proven wrong, just more questions than answers.

    • oc

      February 23, 2011 at 12:58 am

      landry use to play yaos bench minutes at the 5, i could see him doing it again. n i think he would do a better job than twan, maybe not murphy but better than twan i think

  23. Thornton's Thunder

    February 22, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Well, what can I say? It’s been a really good ride…and I’m eternally grateful to see Thornton do what he does. He has helped lift this team in ways which are immeasurable. No one can deny that his heart stayed in it, and for that, I am appreciative! Geaux and do that for which you were made to do. Take this league by storm, and as you do…make a mighty THUNDER! Who knows, we may see you again. In case, we’ll keep our banner hung proudly!!!! We’ll see you in SAC!!!
    Way to go babe…way to go!!!

  24. Nicholas Jennings

    February 22, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    We couldn’t get them to throw in Whiteside?

  25. Monty'sDoghouse

    February 22, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    I really can’t wait to see Marcus Thornton own the living fuck outta Willie Green on March 12th. Hate me if you want. But I am going to enjoy every…single…second…

    One last time.

    • AgentZiko

      February 23, 2011 at 12:07 am

      He’s gonna earn a $5 million contract for next season now dude. Look at it any way you want, but I’m happy for him. I think he’s gonna kill it. Westphal plays the same offense as Bower did… Basically, he has no offense and just tells his guys to create for themselves. LoL. Marcus has the potential to go CRAZY on this team. Plus, the Kings are (reportedly) moving to Anaheim! I live 5 minutes away from the Honda Center (where they’ll play) so I’ll be getting season tickets and buying a Thornton jersey. =)

      • Justin

        February 23, 2011 at 11:13 am

        Yeah, I expect Thornton to put up a lot of points on that team and earn a lot more in the offseason. That team is going nowhere on the court right now so I don’t see why they wouldn’t give him the opportunity to play a lot of minutes especially in Westphal’s offense.

  26. ur_gmas_daughter

    February 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Thornton’s contract is up at the end of this year too so the only difference is that by the end of the year his name will be on the Sac-town roster but he’ll still be a FA for EVERY team in the league to go after. Maybe it’s just a partial loan! haha We prob won’t get him back but putting this into perspective he probably wouldnt have been on this roster next year anyway so why not get something for him now?

    Bench-play can make or break a team in the playoffs. So even though Landry won’t get more than 20-21 mins. in the playoffs he will help us out tremendously. Jason Smiths “hustle” just isnt cutting it anymore. If we make a pretty good run in the playoffs maybe we can get Landry to take on a cheap(er) bench role. Plus we FINALLY have someone to guard Lamar Odom.

    DANG! I wish somehow we couldve got Jason Thompson in this deal…maybe a lil greedy

    • 42

      February 23, 2011 at 12:10 am

      they can go after him, but sac can match any deal if they want since he’ll be a restricted free agent.

  27. Rizzy

    February 22, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Just one word:

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  28. Bug Marley

    February 22, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    I’m gonna go and cry now.

  29. Hornet Seantonio

    February 22, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Get me a shooting guard and im stoked

  30. Mark

    February 23, 2011 at 12:03 am

    This is where emotion and business conflict. I don’t think we got talent-for-talent (various reasons), but if Landry can replicate his first three seasons, it’s good. But my friend reminded me Landry hasn’t really been the same since he was shot.

    Best of luck to Thornton. I hope you usurp the starting position for Sac-Town.

  31. lancebrou68

    February 23, 2011 at 12:06 am

    im with u seantonio, but if we can pull off a j.r. smith, terrance williams, stephen jackson, rip hamilton and if we got marvin williams and moved him to the 3 abd ariza to the two i would be damn excited for the rest of the season

  32. Nik

    February 23, 2011 at 12:13 am

    sooo…Melo’s not coming to NOLA?

    downer….

  33. AgentZiko

    February 23, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Really interesting that they held onto Anderson… Makes me wonder who they’re going to package now. It’s either gonna be:

    Banks, Anderson, Belinelli= $9,727,856
    High: $12,159,820
    Low: $7,295,892

    Or

    Banks, Anderson, Pondextor = $8,420,866
    High: $10,526,083
    Low: $6,315,649

    Crazy how specific of a player you can decide to look for when you narrow the price range.

    • JNR

      February 23, 2011 at 8:19 am

      That Andersen/Belli/Banks package can land us Jackson for sure, but the question is would we have to send more than just expirings? And would they want us to take on extra contracts? I have a hard time believing Charlotte would give up Jackson for bench players unless we did them a favor by taking someone’s unsightly contract. Carrol maybe?

  34. andy

    February 23, 2011 at 12:19 am

    Out of curiosity if we were give up on the year, what could we get for West + expirings? West is a UFA and could quite easily come back. We’re not winning a championship with Paul limping around anyways. What players could we get with that package that gives us the flexibility to give him his deal next year to get him back?

  35. JT

    February 23, 2011 at 12:19 am

    Wow MT5 was my 2nd fave player behind CP3…
    I agree I don’t think we would have resigned Marcus, and I don’t think we’ll resign Landry, but if we get Iggy, Jax, or JR
    Watch out because CP will turn it on in the playoffs!

  36. Dee

    February 23, 2011 at 12:26 am

    S.Jax would be perfect on this team…..and I love the Landry trade that guy plays hard , hate to see MT5 go but hey

  37. lancebrou68

    February 23, 2011 at 12:27 am

    ziko see if some of your sources know if we were are done or not

  38. MaxJD_Nola2NYC

    February 23, 2011 at 12:28 am

    Really depressed now

  39. chevytimo

    February 23, 2011 at 12:29 am

    if you guys are judging landry on his recent plays dont blame him its sacramento that can make any player do worse than they are capable of because it is hard for any one of them to really get to be comfortable in their position on the team with it constantly changing and with the reke/cousins ball hogging abilities im pretty sure marcus thorton is gonna look worse i been following landry for a while and the dude is a beast as for rebounding he is one of the reasons the kings led in offensive rebounds

  40. AgentZiko

    February 23, 2011 at 12:32 am

    I don’t know why some people think Landry won’t get PT, and why he will only see time at the 4.

    Reminder ya’ll. Okafor is a PF playing C. I think Landry will see more time backing up Mek than he will West. Landry is a POST player. He does well hanging around the basket. This won’t interfere with him playing alongside West.

    When Landry played for Houston, he did his most damage playing alongside Luis Scola, who roamed the perimeter the way West does, and Landry hung around the basket for quick baskets off of rebounds and dishes.

    If Jason Smith can play Center, so can Landry. He’s 6’10, and very physical. I expect the rotation to be shortened with Okafor, West, and Landry getting MOST off, if not all the time up front, with Jason Smith getting 5-10 minutes a game. Gray won’t see many more minutes this season.

    I think we will acquire a SG. I don’t know who yet. I think thats why Andersen was held out of the deal. Expect to see either Marco or Quincy gone as well.

    • Mark

      February 23, 2011 at 12:47 am

      He’s got versatility, but I think people are focusing on his mid-range game. Small ball with Landry will be interesting to see our offensive output.

      Listed 6′ 9″ too. I know that inch doesn’t make much of a difference, but when centers are usually stereotypically 7′ up, he’s definitely an undersized 5.

    • oc

      February 23, 2011 at 1:04 am

      ziko, we have often disagreed on points. (many regarding thornton n beli) but I agree, I havnt seen anyone else cept you and myself raise this. Landry CAN and HAS played the 5 before. Recently we have seen trevor at the 4 a bit and Landry has the physicality to guard ANY backup big.

      I am a rare JR Smith lover, if we could get him this trade is an awesome one. Id even be inclined to start green at the 2 and have JR spell him and trev at the 3 with Landry spellin our bigs. They could be the 2 best bench players we have had in um.. i dno cant remember that far back.

      • Justin

        February 23, 2011 at 1:35 pm

        i don’t want anything to do with JR on this team, regardles of if he and CP are still buddies. I know he can score in bunches at times, but I don’t want him. He’s too much of an immature headcase.

    • Hornet Seantonio

      February 23, 2011 at 9:17 am

      Landry is beast. Ready for the crescent city connection with him and cp, little known fact bout landry…boy can get UP! This guy finishes at the rim and strong and if need be he can shoot the mid, he boards and bangs. exactly what we needed.

  41. lancebrou68

    February 23, 2011 at 12:35 am

    thanks if u here something please be sure to post it

  42. Eman5805

    February 23, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Thornton will be missed. But we really came out on top big time in this trade.

    Thornton wasn’t gonna work out here, just like Julian Wright. Basically traded dead weight for a player that’ll fit right in. But unlike Wright, Thornton’s should be good for the Kings.

  43. Humil

    February 23, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Finally, some much needed D improvement. Also, gonna put a gag on the weird man-love-rambling for a local scorer who wasn’t really all that complementary to the team philosophy and style… Seemed like many of our recent losses have seen an inability to hold on the late leads, and swapping a bull for a matador is going to have some significant impact when it’s close.

  44. ur_gmas_daughter

    February 23, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Something else I’d like to point out as well is that I happen to know Carl Landry is very religious. I say that only because of the tight bond most of our players have during the half-court prayers. I think that will help him fit in personality-wise with this group as well. Maybe that’s a stretch but I see it as a plus with this Hornets roster.

    • TopherPrice

      February 23, 2011 at 9:40 am

      I don’t think that can be discounted. I think that is one of the reasons why Willie Green has the place he has in CP3, Monty, and Dells heart. I believe that is one of the reasons Green will resign with the Hornets for around what he is paid now in the offseason. I think he feels at place, and the organization likes him in that place. Maybe, that might help up keep Landry and Dwest. I think it would be the only thing short of a title that would get Landry to stay on after this season.

  45. trigga

    February 23, 2011 at 2:06 am

    Its sad to see mt5 go, but landry is a very soild backup big man. im excited. It shows the demps is always looking 2 improve the team. We are really moving in the right direction. The main question we all gotta ask is CP3 happy with the move? Thanks for the hard work Demps i think you are doing a really good job. Lets kick the clippers bum tomorrow. GO HORNETS

    • DownUnder

      February 23, 2011 at 4:47 am

      42’s latest post had a question about CP’s and D-West’s input on trades and Demp’s says that they do have some input, so i think they’d be happy with the trade

      • coach44

        February 23, 2011 at 9:28 am

        That’s correct. I asked Demps if they would consider consulting West and Paul on trades since this has become such a player-driven league, and he said that they already do get their input. Smart move IMO

  46. Hornet

    February 23, 2011 at 8:22 am

    I think it’s a win for all parties. We get our back up, Sacto gets some guard help, Thornton will get PT, and Landry will play for a winner. It’s really tough to see Marcus go, but it had to be done. Farewell, Marcus. You will be missed.

    Let’s embrace Landry though. He’s a great player and great guy.

  47. NolaHog

    February 23, 2011 at 8:26 am

    I’ve been watching this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4JY__bV2o and crying my eyes out all morning. Thornton will be missed. No one could deny that he could flat out score.

    That being said, I think the trade is good. Carl Landry is a hardworking guy that will fit in well with our group. It will be interesting to see if Demps tries to move Jack. I think this is going to be a very exciting second half for the Hornets.

  48. AgentZiko

    February 23, 2011 at 9:03 am

    MT is gonna get to start RIGHT AWAY.

    Tyreke Evans out for the next THREE WEEKS with plantar fascitis.

    I bet thats a big reason they wanted MT.

  49. Hornet

    February 23, 2011 at 9:23 am

    So at the end of last year our line up was

    Paul/Collison
    Mo-Pete/MT5
    Peja/Posey
    West/Songaila
    Okafor/Gray

    now it is

    Paul/Jack
    Green/Belinelli
    Ariza/Landry/Q-Pon
    West/Landry
    Okafor/Gray/Landry

    Good job to Demps. The team is vastly improved and we are more flexible than ever.

    • Justin

      February 23, 2011 at 3:10 pm

      I agree. Significant upgrade overall even if it is tough to see young talent go to get there, but if we stand any chance whatsoever of keeping Paul, management needs to show they aren’t afraid to make these moves to make the team better now. Especially with Deron Williams going to NJ today, I’m starting to see even more writing on the wall that CP’s wedding toast of his buddies “own big 3” may come true next season. I am holding out hope that will not be the case but I’m not betting on it. just going to try to enjoy the ride for the next season and a half while we have him. I just hope next season doesn’t turn into the Melo mess that has held Denver hostage all season.

  50. Hornet

    February 23, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Man, I miss MT already… I really wish it could’ve worked out.

  51. Ryan

    February 23, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Source close to MT5….. ( i aint talking bout 1st cousin close…. Im talkin bout immediate family/best friend Close ) word is he loves playin at home and dont rule out MT5 returning to NOLA next year because he puts that over his bad relationship with Monty/CP3/Green. yeah, word is he didnt get along with CP3. More is ( i think its just his fustration with leavin ) he plans to ball on the Hornets in March.

    Don’t be bitter MT5…..we still love you.

    • AgentZiko

      February 23, 2011 at 10:06 am

      I said this a few times now, but people dismissed it. I knew CP and MT didn’t click. Other than Monty, who else would chew up MT when he did anything wrong? Look at his expression and arms every time MT forced plays.

      People keep blaming Monty for MT not getting time this season. Maybe, just maybe, CP had a little more to do with this than anyone thought? Especially if Demps asked CP, DW, and Mek what their opinions are regarding hims moves?

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        February 23, 2011 at 10:14 am

        Man, I sure hope this isn’t true but it’s entirely possible.

      • TopherPrice

        February 23, 2011 at 11:17 am

        It has always seemed logical. Ever since the new regime came in, the people that come in are guys CP3 likes and the guys who leave are not. I saw it as well all preseason and early season, CP3 would glare at the bench when Marcus did something like jack up a quick shot, or not go where CP3 wanted him during a set. Then Monty would pull him. I don’t think it was ego, but maybe. Buckets gets a bigger O than CP3 when he comes off the bench. Superstars, even humble ones, have big egos. They have to in order to think they can take down any and every opponent.

        I always thought what Ryan is saying is true. If he had his druthers, Marcus would come back and play for the Hornets even if he has to deal with more BS than on any other team. I think it is family and his desire to be around his mother. I don’t fault him, I think it is honorable. Family means more to some than others, and it would be great for us fans in NOLA if that brought him back. But sadly, if he blows up the Kings will match anything reasonable, and Dell will NEVER overpay to get him back.

        It may be 2 years before we see Marcus back… funny how that may be right around the time CP3 may be on his way out.

  52. Monty'sDoghouse

    February 23, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Look, I don’t think we got “robbed” by any stretch of the imagination. It just sucks because you don’t find players that you are drawn to that often. The type of players that end up being your favorite players in the league. To have 2 guys that literally made last year (and a losing season) a blast and to see neither of them in a Hornets uni this year and getting railroaded out of town is sad.

    BTW, we just lost our best perimeter defender off the bench. Odd how that happened.

  53. pinoyballah

    February 23, 2011 at 10:15 am

    since we got landry, does that mean we are done trying to get murphy?

    • Hornet Seantonio

      February 23, 2011 at 10:33 am

      murphy got traded in the deron wiliams trade

      • 42

        February 23, 2011 at 10:45 am

        “According to the Record, the Nets would send point guard Devin Harris, rookie forward Derrick Favors and two-first round draft picks to Utah for the two-time NBA All-Star Williams. New Jersey would also send forward Troy Murphy to the Golden State Warriors for centre Dan Gadzuric and forward Brandan Wright.”

        http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=355035

        And Joe has it up in the news:

        http://www.hornets247.com/news/2011/02/23/deron-williams-traded-to-new-jersey/

      • pinoyballah

        February 23, 2011 at 3:36 pm

        he was traded to the warriors but word is he going to be bought out.

  54. $tymartin$

    February 23, 2011 at 10:36 am

    its a good trade because the top teams in the nba have big men that run the floor and thats what landry does. im sad to see marcus go but thats what we need. now we need to get a fearless SG like S jax

    oh and fuck miami

  55. Todd

    February 23, 2011 at 11:05 am

    From a Kings fan, who loves Landry’s game, he will fit much better in the Hornet system than he did in Sacramento. We dont know what the term “ball movement” is and he rarely saw the ball during an offensive set unless he got an offensive rebound. You will love how he works and how he plays. Good luck!

    • Hornet Seantonio

      February 23, 2011 at 11:51 am

      thanks, and let me say as an LSU graduate hornet lover. Marucs will shock and awe all of you, he is a beast and if you give him the keys and let him lose he can hurt another team real fast.

  56. TopherPrice

    February 23, 2011 at 11:21 am

    My favorite thing about Landry: He is a big man that DUNKS THE F’N BALL when he goes to the Hole! We don’t have any of those! Mek likes to flush it without touching the rim. (I seriously think his father either yelled at him as a kid for breaking rims, or he thinks they are orange because they are made of lava.) D-West will as an option of last resort. Same with Gray, Smith… Mbenga just likes to Mbrick the ball, so he doesn’t count.

    Oh, and he knows how to freaking go for an Alley-oop. Not as versatile and ‘ooper as Tyson, but really how many are?

  57. JS

    February 23, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Landry can definitely play the 5,similar to Big Baby in Boston. May not defend the rim as well as bigger guys, but when it comes to rebounding he can outrebound alot of backup big men.

    S-Jax would be perfect especially considering he can handle the ball and pass. I almost consider him a Joe Johnson without the ability to create his own shot. He used be deadly in the playoffs with the Pacers and even got his experience with the Spurs early on.

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