The Bulls beat the Hornets

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Published: February 12, 2011

It’s not often that you can have 17 more free throws and 10 less turnovers than an opponent and lose, but tonight the Hornets did that.  The Hornets took a double-digit lead into halftime – but it was a dangerous double-digit lead because the Hornets had been hitting most of their jumpers in the first half.  That rarely continues throughout a game, and it didn’t tonight.

Of course, the biggest problem there wasn’t just that the Hornets started missing their jumpers in the second half – they couldn’t get a rebound all game long.  They were out-rebounded 47-26 in that game.  The starting line-up managed to grab 12 total rebounds all game long.  12.  2 each from David West and Trevor Ariza.  It’s hard to continue to be a great defensive team when you don’t box out and your big men aren’t able to contest shots.  Oh – and the 18th ranked offense in the league shot 52% FG, 46% 3Pt, and 96% FT for that game.   For perspective, if a player is shooting 50%, 40% and 90%, they are considered one of the premier shooters ever.  They shot that way as a team.  Ugh.

In fact, there was one lone bright-spot in the game, and that was the guy we don’t even expect to play half the time: 

Marcus Thornton 

Marcus had the explosive game he has every so often, scoring inside and out, and pretty much keeping the Hornets in it.  

Marcus had a tough opening, missing two shots and getting burned on a defensive rotation.  But he stuck through it and his shot started to fall, and he and Jack ended with combining to outscore the Bulls bench between them.  It’s just fun to see him wreaking havoc.  (That cut off the inbounds play for the layup?  Beautiful)

Here’s some quick observations from early in the game:

  • Monty had Aaron Gray posting Boozer to start the game, and it worked nicely.  Boozer just wasn’t big enough.
  • West had his shot going all game – but the Bulls denied him from receiving the ball better than anyone I’d seen in a while.  They kept shading their guards and forwards his way and made it hard to squeeze the ball into him.  Particularly in the second half.
  • Andersen was terrible in the first half.  For most of the time out there, he just couldn’t handle Boozer, and when a rebound was available, he couldn’t hold position at all.  He also wasn’t hitting his shots – so it made for a very ugly game for him.

I’d like to keep going, but I’m tired of recapping losses.

I swear Joe Gerrity has a voodoo curse on me.  Maybe I should stop being a Hornets blogger.  They’d never lose again.

85 Comments

  1. Monty'sDoghouse

    February 12, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I was so angry to see Belinelli first off the bench in the 3rd. SO ANGRY. That decision cost us dearly as Belinelli’s terrible defense gave up 2 wide open shots, our comfy lead, and any momentum.

    I am at a loss for words.

    • Hornet

      February 12, 2011 at 10:25 pm

      sorry but belinelli was in for how long? 1 minute?

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        February 12, 2011 at 10:29 pm

        Yep, blindly defend Monty at every turn please. He let KEITH BOGANS go off on him. You know, the same Keith Bogans that you and Ziko trash daily as being a worse starting SG than Beli.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        February 12, 2011 at 10:33 pm

        and by “go off” I mean 5 points in that one minute in the 3rd in which he played. Lest we forget the 0-2 from the line during that stretch

      • Hornet

        February 12, 2011 at 10:36 pm

        Belinelli isn’t the starter anymore. but is that ALL you have to fucking say about the game? One coaching move which he fixed in the span of one minute?

        Go away. All you do is cause shit. Ryan, Joe, or Michael, please ban this fool. We don’t need haters like him on the site. He starts everything about Marcus and makes me not even want to bother posting here anymore (and I know I can’t be the only one)

      • L_REAZY

        February 12, 2011 at 10:50 pm

        Dang, I thought it was sort of cool to present opposing points for an argument? So, both of you disagree .. it’s cool dawg … I see both of your points!!!

        Take it (BIG) EASY fellas!

        L_REAZY

      • Hornet

        February 12, 2011 at 10:58 pm

        It’s cool to argue points but this guy is just insane. He CONSTANTLY bashes Monty and he must have 4-5 fake accounts.

        He’s the reason for all this Marcus madness.

        Hey Monty’s Doghouse, if you asked Marcus about his PT tonight, do you think he’d be mad?

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        February 13, 2011 at 1:46 am

        What’s sad is that all you have to say about the game is to bitch about what I have to say about the game. Champion.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        February 13, 2011 at 1:51 am

        Besides, what the hell is there to recap? Okafor’s hurt. Gray’s barely in game shape. We got out-hustled and out-muscled. Very few of our players look like they had the energy tonight. CP3 is slumping. Ariza was his usual inefficient self. I’m gonna point out when Monty’s dumb ass exposes his inconsistencies. Tonight was prime example.

      • Hornet

        February 13, 2011 at 1:09 pm

        I already posted my thoughts of the game on the game on thread. We lost to the better team tonight.

        You constantly bash Monty but let me ask you this. If I asked you before the season if Paul would be averaging 16 and 9 what would the Hornets record be, what would be your response?

        Monty’s got this team playing hard, and has a not very talented team playing some of the best defense in the NBA. Yet you’re going to bash a move he fixed as soon as possible? (it would’ve happened even quicker had Marco not gone to the line) Please. You’re just a hater because you want to see Marcus get 30 minutes a night.

    • jib

      February 12, 2011 at 10:29 pm

      I don’t think the Belinelli moved killed it, although it would’ve been nice to see him not come on the floor the way he played so I still agree with that, but he didn’t lose the game, we were tied at 80 in the fourth regardless. Then momentum changed fast from there. The defense/missed free throws/terrible rebounding lost it, none of which can really be attributed to Marcus. Great game from him, as for Beli people were happy to see him do good against NJ, but then again, it was NJ… I remember always seeing him do better against the bottom tier of the league, his play is annoying me more and more.

    • sundance

      February 12, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      I guess rotating on an open player is a defensive no-no in Monty’s mind.

      • jib

        February 13, 2011 at 12:28 am

        seems to be the case the past few games, minus orlando I guess

    • 504ever

      February 13, 2011 at 8:52 am

      Monty’s Doghouse are you on drugs???

      The Hornets play a back to back against a well rested team who is our equal if both team are at full strength. On top of that we are missing the ONE player whose backup-up would be 3rd string or worse anywhere else. We are even with them through three quarters and all you can do is post about one minute of the game because coach tried to see if Bellinelli would be a player who would help the Hornet’s??

      Do you realize what a fool you look like?? How that destroys any creditability you still have? If that is all you can complain about, then don’t post.

      And Hornet, you need to clean up your language. I am sure plenty of kids have found and read this website.

      To the moderators: How hard is it to add an edit feature so we can edit or even take down posts which we regret making entirely or in part??

      • Hornet

        February 13, 2011 at 1:48 pm

        Sorry. I try not to curse but if I do it’s because I’m angry and this guy gets on my nerves. Again, sorry about the cursing.

  2. Monty'sDoghouse

    February 12, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I know all of you are tired of hearing about it, but after nights like tonight, can you really argue it? At all? Marcus can’t even be the 6th man when he’s going bananas and playing good defense while rebounding the ball.

    • JCS

      February 12, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      The game was lost at the boards and free throw line. Your Golden Calf’s playing time was not the reason why they lost.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        February 12, 2011 at 10:48 pm

        When you are outmatched on the interior against a team like Chicago, everything needs to go right to come out with a W. That Belinelli move and the offensive foul on CP3 were the beginning of the end. If you couldn’t sense that we were gonna lose by the time it was 83-80, you really weren’t paying attention. Because that score was when I stopped paying attention.

        Andersen/DWest/Ariza/Green combined for SEVEN rebounds. That’s terrible production out of your 3’s/4’s. I get it. I get it. It’s just the game was there. Guys were stepping up just enough. We had Chicago out of their game. Than a switch flipped. Cry if you want. But Belinelli was the switch tonight.

  3. Forever504

    February 12, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    come on dude lets not turn this into a MT5 warzone

    • Thornton's Thunder

      February 13, 2011 at 10:46 am

      Forever504…It is what is is! Let’s allow fans to post what they feel is an issue. That’s what this blog is all about…c’mon!

  4. NolaHog

    February 12, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    That was just an old fashioned choke job by the Hornets. When they missed all of those free throws in the 3rd quarter, I knew it would come back to haunt us. Just disgusting.

    • QueenBee

      February 12, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      Yeah, I said early in the game when they were missing that they were leaving too many points at the free throw line. Can’t win like that.

      • QueenBee

        February 12, 2011 at 11:03 pm

        “New Orleans is a terrific team,” coach Tom Thibodeau said of the 33-22 Hornets, who snapped a four-game losing streak Friday night. “They have had some injuries (center Emeka Okafor, forward Trevor Ariza) but they have talent and depth.”

        Talent and depth. Alrighty then. :0

  5. GecGreek

    February 12, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    monty’s, i agree about Marcus.. But the story tonight was REBOUNDING and INTERIOR DEFENSE. The Bulls mastered those and you have to give them credit.

    Tonight they were superior and deserved the Win… We know monty doesn’t like Marcus, but what can you do? Tonight we didn’t lose because of lack of offensive weapons so i don’t want to talk about Marcus that much.

    And please HornetBee take a big breeth before posting 123214324832402 message.

    Tonight biggest point is: CP3 offense looks like had an involution. He never drives to the basket anymore and he’s jumpshooting isn’t that consistent against atheltic guards..

    • QueenBee

      February 12, 2011 at 10:39 pm

      Don’t say he doesn’t drive to the basket ‘anymore’. He does. Just not nearly as much as he used to. So you ready to trade him yet?

      • GecGreek

        February 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm

        maybe he just doesn’t do that with the same efficiency as before… He has some kind of an identity crisis right now. I am ready to trade him for Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan in their prime :p

      • QueenBee

        February 12, 2011 at 10:47 pm

        Get it done Demps.

    • mbdtf

      February 12, 2011 at 10:42 pm

      Past 4 games: Paul is 16-47, which is 34%.

      • QueenBee

        February 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm

        And some of those are getting to the rim and missing easy stuff.

        Paul addressed his recent stretch after the game, saying, “I shoot more shots before the game and the day before the game, but my rhythm gets off. I’m missing everything I shoot at the rim. I’ve got to keep shooting.
        “The only way (to get out of it is to keep working). The frustrating part is knowing that I can make those (close-range) shots. Somehow, some way I’ve got to find a way to get some easy baskets. Teams get layups here and there against us, but very rarely do we get easy baskets.”

        I still don’t think he should force getting to the rim. He’s probably scared of getting hurt. I know I can honestly say that I cringe when he does drive and end up in a scrum or on the floor under the basket. If it’s not in the back of his mind that someone can land on his knee, then he’s crazy.

    • JCS

      February 12, 2011 at 10:43 pm

      I agree with you, but who started this rumor that Monty doesn’t like Marcus? Is that true or was that started by some stan?

      • GecGreek

        February 12, 2011 at 10:48 pm

        Dell said to a Blog that Marcus didn’t go to monty’s preseason lessons for his Defensive system for the young players… I think that made the things a little harder for marcus PT and that he’s not the kind of player monty likes the most

      • QueenBee

        February 12, 2011 at 10:53 pm

        Uh-oh. We all saw what happened when Julian Wright didn’t take Monty up on participating in Summer League. Uh-oh. 😕

      • JCS

        February 12, 2011 at 11:01 pm

        Preseason was a while ago. If Monty is not playing Marcus it’s b/c of recent practices or games, not b/c of preseason. I mean come on, we talkin’ bout preseason?

    • QueenBee

      February 12, 2011 at 10:58 pm

      Shucks what are you talking about? I’m about ready to crown them Champs. Forget all those other teams. Boston, Miami, Lakers, SA. Forget them. People better start paying attention to the Bulls.

  6. QueenBee

    February 12, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    “The Hornets had only two offensive rebounds, tying a franchise all-time low.”

    Ewwww.

  7. QueenBee

    February 12, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    coach Monty Williams: “We came out like we were champions for some reason in the third quarter.”
    42 minutes ago via HootSuite

    😕

  8. QueenBee

    February 12, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    RT @gvtalk: In tonight’s loss the Hornets missed 41 shots and had 2 off rebs for zero 2nd chance pts. Superb def rebs by Bulls.
    6 minutes ago via TweetDeck

    😕

  9. QueenBee

    February 12, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Wake me up after All Star weekend. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  10. L_REAZY

    February 12, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    To ‘Monty’sDoghouse’s’ point …

    Ofcourse Marco didn’t lose the game for us tonight, but it is sort of irritating how Monty is trying so hard to stick with him, and in contrast work so hard to keep Marcus off the floor. I don’t get that. I’m all for the HOT HAND!!!

    Marco has been terrible for two months with a good game here-and-there. I like Willie and Marcus at the moment for our 2-guard tandem. Now, if Marco is Ariza’s back-up, then I can understand giving him minutes ahead of Pondexter and Palvovic.

    I will give Monty credit … he did shorten Marco’s leash this game. He took him right out after a few mistakes!!!

    L_REAZY

  11. Stefan

    February 12, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Belinelli losing the game? Seriously?

    That’s how coaching works.

    Beli goes in. Beli does bad. Beli goes out.

    I don’t see anything wrong there. It’s not like Monty can see into the future.

    This stuff is getting past irritating.

  12. usufruct

    February 12, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    This game made me sad. Derek Rose looked like Chris used to.

  13. Mark

    February 13, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Offensive guards are a dime a dozen. How is it we don’t have one besides Thornton?

    Mek, we need you.

  14. m_W

    February 13, 2011 at 12:36 am

    I have no idea why you people are hating on Monty’s Doghouse. Marcus Buckets was by far the most efficient scorer tonight for the Bees, and I didn’t see one defensive lapse from him tonight. If one of your guys scores 20 in a HALF, he should be the first one off the bench next half. Or at the very least, the guy you rely upon in key fourth quarter minutes, and not just in the last two minutes when the game is over.

    The Bulls are a horrible team, benefiting from playing in the weak East. Boozer was really the only impressive player they had, but when we couldn’t score, they snuck ahead. Memo to Monty: yes, Marcus is the answer, dumbass. But you know what, fuck it, trade him to Dallas, along with Peja and Tyson, two other guys the front office here didn’t think could play, but which are KEYING victories in Texas.

    Use your brain, Monty, and ignore your pride. See what happens.

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      February 13, 2011 at 12:56 am

      Calm down my alternate account.

      • 42

        February 13, 2011 at 6:29 am

        This . . . This right here . . . This is funny.

      • OkiThor

        February 13, 2011 at 7:30 pm

        Classic!

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      February 13, 2011 at 1:06 am

      However, I do agree with your comment on ATH. Play him or trade him. His value is not going to get higher than a showcased game like this. Go get us a REAL backup big or suck it up and stick with him.

    • Hornet

      February 13, 2011 at 1:20 am

      “The Bulls are a horrible team, benefiting from playing in the weak East.”

      REALLY?

      They benefit from it yes but they’re not a horrible horrible team. They have the best defense by far in the NBA, and have the MVP leader right now. They were well rested, and we weren’t. It showed in the 2nd half.

      I guarantee you, if Marcus plays well in both road games coming up, he’s 6th man of the year unless we trade him to get big men which I don’t see happening.

      • James

        February 13, 2011 at 1:28 am

        Bulls are 16-7 against the West…Hornets are 16-16. I’d say the Bulls are handling the West just fine and certainly far better than the Hornets.

      • MaxALM

        February 13, 2011 at 4:10 am

        see, everybody keeps making these “guarantees” like they’ve got a trick up their sleeve. McNamara has said it and either Joe or Ryan, as well as yourself, Hornet, and many others. Guarantees usually pertaining to MT5. We’ve seen Marcus play the lights out and then proceed to get crapped on with 8 minutes in the next game. You can’t guarantee anything unless you’re Monty.

      • Hornet

        February 13, 2011 at 1:12 pm

        I never guaranteed anything before this, but with Marco no longer the starter, it’s between Marco and Marcus for the 6th man spot, and if Marco continues to suck like has, Monty will be going to Marcus. I am 100% on that.

        Monty stuck by Marcus in January even when his shooting sucked btw. He had games where he was 3-10 and he still got 20 minutes.

    • JCS

      February 13, 2011 at 4:24 pm

      The game was lost at the boards and free throw line. Marcus Thorton shooting the ball like a hot potato didn’t have much to do with it.

      Separately, the Bulls are in fact a great team with better record than the Hornets in the Western Conference and overall. One undersized shooting guard cannot stop a pack of Bulls. This is a team game, not a solo act. So if you want to root for one guy then do it on marcusthorton247.com not Hornets247. Furthermore, using foul language and making false accusations will not be tolerated. Trolls aren’t welcome here.

      • 42

        February 13, 2011 at 5:37 pm

        Well said.

  15. nikkoewan

    February 13, 2011 at 1:01 am

    ok here is the thing you all need to understand.. Marcus plays BETTER AT HOME.

    Season H-R Splits:
    (18 MIN/GM) Home: 46% FG/45% 3PT/76.3% FT/10.3 PTS/1.2 3s/2.8 REB/0.7 AST/1 TO
    (14 MIN/GM) Away: 34% FG/20% 3PT/72.7% FT/5 PTS/0.3 3s/2.9 REB/1.2 AST/0.7 TO

    Now, Monty is playing Marcus more at home than on the road. And this is a trend:

    October H-R splits:(DNPs NONE)

    (14:51 MIN/GM) Home:46% FG/66% 3PT/66% FT/9 PTS/0.6 3s/2 REB/0.5 AST/0.5 TO
    (30 MIN/GM) Away: 34% FG/20% 3PT/72.7% FT/5 PTS/0.3 3s/2.9 REB/1.2 AST/0.7 TO

    November H-R splits(DNPs 4 home games/3 road games)

    (15:28 MIN/GM) Home: 58% FG/66% 3PT/8 PTS/1 3s/2.5 REB/0.5 AST/0.5 TO
    (9:45 MIN/GM) Away: 16% FG/0% 3PT/100% FT/2 PTS/0 3s/1.8 REB/0.6 AST/0.8 TO

    December H-R splits:(DNPs 0 H/3 R)

    (18:45 MIN/GM) Home: 50% FG/41% 3PT/71.4% FT/10.8 PTS/1.2 3s/2.6 REB/0.6 AST/0.6 TO

    (14:45 MIN/GM) Away: 24% FG/0 3PT%/50% FT/4.2 PTS/0.33 3s/3.3 REB/0.8 AST/0.7 TO

    January H-R splits: (0 H/1 R)

    (18:58 MIN/GM) Home: 41% FG/47.4% 3PT/88% FT/10.7 PTS/1.3 3s/3.43 REB/1 AST/1 TO

    (15:11 MIN/GM) Away: 41% FG/20 3PT%/75% FT/7.42 PTS/0.42 3s/3.7 REB/1.9 AST/0.57 TO

    February H-R splits (0 H/1 R)

    (19:58 MIN/GM) Home: 40% FG/33% 3PT/66.7% FT/10.3 PTS/1 3s/2.7 REB/0.6 AST/0.6 TO

    (08:18 MIN/GM) Away: 33% FG/0 3PT%/2 PTS/0 3s/0.5 REB/0.6 AST/0.5 TO

    See?
    Monty’s taught Marcus to play average to above average defense. Now? He is trying to teach him the value of consistency on the road. Notice that Monty’s DNPs are on the road, and when its a home games, he plays him because he knows Buckets is inspired by the home crowd and makes him play better. That’s sound coaching right there.

    If he can show a little consistency on the road, he’ll be the 6th man we always wanted. quote me. 🙂 otherwise, we will continue to see this kind of a trend. Plays lots of minutes when its at home and/or he’s on fire, or when we have injuries.

    • ktrufant

      February 13, 2011 at 7:12 am

      Thank you for this nikkoewan. I had just about given up …

      You feel like Williams is trying to improve Thornton’s (a second year player) overall game and you use William’s allotment of Thornton’s minutes to show it. I can dig it.

      Not that your analysis is spot (I mean who knows really but the coach and the player), but I follow your rationale, it’s reasonable to me and it’s a lot better to read than the “I saw my favorite player score a bunch of points in this one game so he’s good but the coach isn’t playing him so he must hate my favorite player and be a terrible coach!!” type of commentary I’ve had to slog through recently.

      I’m all for debate but much of the conversation I see here looks like petty arguing.

  16. Monty'sDoghouse

    February 13, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Do any of yall truly sit back and realize what you are yelling at people like m-W and I for? Are you really defending Marco Belinelli or JJ as our backup 2 guards or are you just defending the fact that some people don’t think Monty Williams is the second coming? Do any of us really say that Monty hasn’t done a terrific job this year getting our team to play team defense and to buy into his attitude? Do any of us doubt that he and Dell have squashed the CP3 rumors? For that matter, do any of us doubt that he might have the best chance of any coach in the league of keeping CP3 in a NOLA uniform?

    NO, NO, and NO. Why do you people get so annoyed? You don’t have a rationale. All you do is complain about people complaining about Marcus not getting playing time.

    THERE IS NEVER REBUTTAL. You don’t come back with anything intelligent to say. All you do is complain about us complaining. It’s nonsense. At least people like me take the time to calculate Marco’s stats since the beginning of December to prove my point. I don’t even have to do Jack because he’s just plain awful as a whole in a Hornets uniform.

    So please. PROVE ME WRONG. You can’t. Because the fact of the matter is that MT5 is the best SG we have and the only SG who can lay claim otherwise is Willie Green, who actually is having a decent season. As Hornets fans, we have a right to be pissed. Because we’ve seen this SAME CRAP from Byron Scott for the last 7 years. Yes, maybe Monty gets doubted more because of Byron’s ghost but it’s there nonetheless.

    Monty will be 10x the coach the BS was. We all know it. But come on. It’s gone too far. We just want the damn kid to play.

    So provide a counter argument or sit down. Because you’re complaints are part of the problem just as much as mine are. There’s no such thing as one sided arguments. At least my side isn’t just throwing poop at the door to see if it sticks. Congratulations. You have convinced a great majority of people that we are out of line. You played the political game. You, also, have not contributed anything of value to the conversation.

    • nikkoewan

      February 13, 2011 at 3:28 am

      ugh, its slowly becoming a trend. Marcus Thornton is the most polarizing member of the Hornets. i’m slowly hating going in this site because every time i read the comment’s section, people are angry at each other because of Marcus Thornton. I can’t believe people are bashing Monty’s intelligence(with regards to playing time), or his integrity(too proud to play Marcus?). Man. It’s the YoungFella situation all over again, when i went on a commenting hiatus because everybody was hating on each other. UGH. it sickens me. can everybody just stop fighting?

      • jib

        February 13, 2011 at 5:03 am

        Ahh the Youngfella situation, this may not be quite there yet but that was terrible… whatever happened to him?

      • 42

        February 13, 2011 at 6:15 am

        He was banned.

      • 42

        February 13, 2011 at 6:18 am

        Nikkoewan,

        I agree with you. I moderated a comment or two this week and I didn’t like it.

        I will do it again, however.

      • 504ever

        February 13, 2011 at 9:00 am

        Nikkeowan, that is a great post. I am in total agreement.

      • OkiThor

        February 13, 2011 at 7:37 pm

        YoungFella? Who is YoungFella?

    • 42

      February 13, 2011 at 6:28 am

      Doghouse:

      I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

      That’s Voltaire, and it’s a favorite (translated). It’s up there with Common Sense is not so Common.

      At any rate, as long as you aren’t calling someone a schizo etc.

      I like that you are asking for analysis. In fact, I wish you’d provide more, but I know it’s tough. Boy howdy, it’s tough.

      • paul

        February 13, 2011 at 8:11 am

        Watching sports on TV, or even far up in the seats, you don’t get a really good feel for the confusion that takes place.
        Having now been lucky enough to see the Hornets once and many, many Bulls games from floor level, I think I am beginning to understand the difficulty of succeeding.

        There is a mad, confision like battle taking place.
        Highlt skilled players against equally skilled opponants…and it all becomes a sort of action demanding a reaction causing another reaction….the entire game plan is sort of out the window after the whistle blows after each time out.

        But unlike our street ball or amature tennis or fun stuff, here we get to blog about the success or failure of the participants.
        I can see why in many ways, its stupid because we have absolutely no idea what is actually going on, especially behind the scene.
        We don’t know the conversations between coach and players.
        We don’t know that a player is in BUT has only 40 percent of his left knee.

        Gotta tell you, after watching the Orlando game RIGHT undr the basket on the floor…it was BRUTAL!
        The hitting, the banging, the trash talking…the refs could have called fouls on every single play or player and very likely been right.

        And as for Monty, never being a real fan of rookie coaches, I am…however…in favor of stopping the in-breeding of NBA coaches.
        I get tired of the same old faces showing up as head coaches through the decades.
        It’s like the insane world of business CO’s.
        They get hired to run companies, cause them to fail, get stupid lots on money in umbrella buy outs…THEN GET REHIRED at another company.

        So I am still rooting for this young coach.

        Sorry for the long winded way of saying relax.
        We are getting there.
        We will get better as the playoffs approach and then the real, and only fight, begins.

  17. Calabrone Viola

    February 13, 2011 at 2:21 am

    Damn Bulls, i want win against it in march with Emeka!
    I like all Hornets players and the coach, but i don’t understand the rotation in starting minutes of fourth quarter…
    Don’t use a clock Monty, simply understand the game (ok, is possible the fuel is finish?), the enemy run with this system…
    0-5 against Bulls in the last five, i want look the pride in Chicago!

  18. MaxALM

    February 13, 2011 at 4:17 am

    Monty just needs to know how to avoid these all-too-often meltdowns that we have in the 4th quarter. How many games have we lost or almost lost because of a very poor offensive 4th quarter? Probably too many. He needs to ride the hot hand. Jesus. He and Demps also need to work on getting that big man who can hopefully grab a rebound with his HANDS.

  19. paul

    February 13, 2011 at 6:28 am

    Relax….

    They had some raging shots from Roase that 4th.
    Not sure, but he was the reason for their fantastic percentage at the line.
    Well, ya…they all did well, but how often will a team shoot 100 percent from the line?
    More concerned with our reboundings.
    Thought Gray played a silent but extremely effective inside game. Just cannot pin point the lack of rebounds without going through the stats.
    To me, they seemed to get a lot of rebounds off our missed jumpers. When our jump shots stopped, I do’t thin we forced the ball inside like they did.

    We should have beaten this team.

    And I think Paul was out-played lst night.
    He didn’t dive in for shots and rose did.

    • usufruct

      February 13, 2011 at 10:33 am

      Paul, I agree. Rose took over, made some crazy shots, and won that game. Chris was pretty much ineffectual last night, at least compared to Rose. He tried to make some stuff happen down the stretch, but it just didn’t go. The execution wasn’t there. I’m not saying Chris is done by any means, but last night it was glaringly obvious to me that Rose was the better point guard. Sadly, that’s the first time I’ve ever thought Chris wasn’t the best point guard on the court.

      • paul

        February 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm

        No, I will never say Rose is a better point guard.
        I think Paul actually is, just because he sets up others way, way better.
        Rose, I think…sets himself up better by being able to create shots.
        I think J Jack is kind of more Rose(ish) than a Paul.

        I would take a Paul over a Rose…as long as I had the options to pass to. What good is a great set up guy without the personnel to set up.

        And again, I need to say I do not know the extent of Paul’s legs. If he is playing badly hurt, bless hi and let’s hope he gets better, not worse.

  20. 42

    February 13, 2011 at 6:36 am

    Something encouraging: several tables at dinner were talking about the game and people struck up a conversation with me after about it (the free throw shooting, they wouldn’t hear rebounding).

    Attendance aside, the Hornets are growing their share in the people’s chatter.

    • paul

      February 13, 2011 at 8:15 am

      ya…rebounding.
      This is the silent killer for me here.
      I think when you don’t drive to the basket, as Rose loves to do, you don’t get the foul calls.
      And when you get comphy with outside shots, and they miss, the rebounds had better be there.
      There were no offensive rebounds off missed long shots last night.

      • paul

        February 13, 2011 at 8:17 am

        and please, please PLEASE forgive my spelling.
        Sort of a big picture guy.
        We need spell check on this sight!!!!!!!

  21. m_W

    February 13, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Boozer = good.

    Rose = overrated.

    To clarify, my prior use of the term “horrible” was somewhat exaggerated frustration. They are not Cavaliers-horrible, they are more like Hornets two years ago horrible. Like wait for this team to get blown out in the playoffs horrible. In the East. Bulls did not impress me. At no point in this game did I feel like the Bulls were a better team. More than anything, I felt the mixture of our failure to execute on offense down the stretch and bad officiating ended this game.

    But, shout out to the home crowd, who did their best to motivate the team, and were real loud. Especially booing out the losers who kept trying to chant “MVP” for Rose. Not in my Arena.

  22. NOEngineer

    February 13, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Add me to the list of those sick of insulting and extreme emotionaly posts. When your chief argument is that your point is obvious, then there is no need for the rhetoric.

    It is becoming obvious that Thornton is our 2nd most productive guard, behind CP3, as measured by my favorite metric (Wins Produced). He is slightly below average, while Green, Jack, and Belinelli are all WAY below average. However, that metric still can’t capture defense effectively, so Green and Belly may get a bit more PT than they apparently deserve due to that. Also, Marcus may be getting more play versus back-up which might inflate his numbers a bit. I also don’t know how that would look if you just analyzed road games. Marcus does generally suck on the road, except for that game last year in Cleveland. I would still give him more PT, but recognize that we have to try to develop other players and combinations as well. We will need a second 2-guard come play-off time.

    Anyway, on to the other 11 players…

    I hate small ball, especially with a line-up of Thornton, Green, and Jack. The rebounding discrepancy was mostly due to lack of PT for Gray, but West and all other bigs were ineffective tonight.

    Jack hogged the ball for almost every possession he had. Zero passes. Green and Thorton didn’t pass much either. In fact, nobody passed into the post or in the paint the entire second half. May be great defense, but I suspect it was fatigue and overconfidence in the jump shot.

    West was very passive in the 2nd half. He did not drive to the basket or take many shots when he did get the ball.

    The free throw mess was painful to watch, because we all knew it would cost us the game after the 5th or 6th missed one.

    CP3 is spending too much time working the corners and sidelines, and not enough attacking the middle of the paint. When he attacks the middle we get straight-on looks for 3s (ball comes from the direction of the basket, not the side) and shorter range pops for West.

    Gray’s game has improved dramatically. In general, he is hanging on to the ball in traffic much better. Still had a horrible turnover or two, but not as bad as earlier in the year.

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      February 13, 2011 at 12:21 pm

      I don’t know what it is about those 3 together but it is easily the biggest ballhog lineup we have. They take turns killing ball movement. If they aren’t killing ball movement they are doing their silly dribble handoffs at the top of the key that facilitate nothing worth mentioning.

    • OkiThor

      February 13, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      Can somebody tell me the play that is ran when Green, Jack and Thorton are in the lineup? The one where they are near half court and pass the ball to the other guard who runs to the middle and passes the ball to the other guard and runs to the middle. They run it all the time and I don’t think it creates good shots or much scoring.

  23. bgalella

    February 13, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Not sure why everyone is flipping out about a loss. Chicago is one of the top teams in the East, and the NBA.

    Hornets are going to lose some games.

    It’s been a weird year and New Orleans has been up and down all season.

    • jib

      February 13, 2011 at 3:04 pm

      well when you leave all those free throws on the table, collapse in the fourth, and so on you can tend to get frustrated. Ik I was infuriated.

    • JCS

      February 13, 2011 at 4:27 pm

      @bgalella

      Hornets had a chance to win, but shot themselves in the foot at the free throw line. Separately, there’s a minority of Hornet fans who hate to see Derrick Rose excel.

      • jib

        February 13, 2011 at 5:36 pm

        I don’t know why fans have a problem. I like him more than any other point guards not named Paul. He puts the scoring duties on himself while still involving other players without turning it over at westbrook’s rate and while scoring better than Rondo. Really good and athletic player.

  24. Grease

    February 13, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Why hasn’t anybody mentioned marcus’ rebound in the second half? Rebound of the season.

  25. JaeAmazin

    February 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Seriously..People have problems on Here..The loss had nothing to do with rotations..We Missed 13 Free Throws!!!..That’s it!..When the game was tied down the stretch we shouldve been up at least 8..We’re Overacheiving this year and yet no1 seems satisfied..If Marcus doesn’t get his shot blocked Brewer(no blame on Marcus just great D by a great defender) on that fast break that led to a Watson 3 We win this game..And that’s with the missed free throws..We have a damn good team People..And I know for a fact teams Dont wanna see Us come Playoff Time…….Hornets All Day Bitches!!

  26. Silverwulf

    February 14, 2011 at 12:59 am

    I hope there aren’t any more questions about who the best PG is.
    I really like Paul, and there’s no shame in being second best.

  27. OkiThor

    February 14, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Yeah, I just don’t know who is first right now : )

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