The 48 Hour Toxic Cleanse

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Published: January 16, 2011

For those of you not familiar with the idea of a body cleanse, the philosophy is simple- our bodies are naturally in a state of good health, but we expose ourselves to toxins, pesticides, medical prescriptions, etc and that leaves our body less able to cope with diseases. A body cleanse resets our body and immune system, restoring it back to its natural state of health. The process involves nothing but exercise and a form of fasting that only allows you to eat very specific foods.

Hornets247.com will be engaging in a 48 hour toxic cleanse and the toxic we will all be cleansing ourselves of is this Marcus Thornton debate. That will officially be the last time I mention his name for 48 hours. Mark it down. 6:07 CST. So we all have 48 hours to exercise our minds by discussing other issues and will only digest those subject matters. Feel the joy and the liberation! Return your mind back to its natural, positive state.

Monty’s Doghouse and Ziko- find an area where you have common ground. 42- enlighten us with some concept that only 1% of us have heard of and the other 99% shake their head at the reference, chuckle, and then move on. Nikkoewan- we need your optimism now more than ever. Gec- write us a journal, I can tell you have the skill. MaxALM- do the same.

You guys are all far too talented and bright to let this debate consume you. Return yourself to the state of bliss that is being a Hornets fan on Hornets247.com. Do it for me. Do it for yourself.

No more talk of the subject- any comment even mentioning the name of the Fallen Child will be deleted. We can do this together- as a community! I am getting excited just thinking about all we can accomplish now that this toxic has been removed. Let’s see what you got HornetsNation!

93 comments
AnaheimAmigos
AnaheimAmigos

Other than the Spurs, the West is wide open. The Lakers, Mavericks, and Thunder are pretty flawed right now. I really like the Hornets and Blazers as dark horses. If Bellinelli returns and Ariza keeps playing like he did this week, then they should play even with anyone in a seven-game series. An And

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

Concerning the poll about the pod casts. I think the 30-40 minute pod casts are a little lengthy personally. I read almost every article posted here but I can't say I'm ever really ready to sit down and spend 30-40 minutes listening to you guys. I think 10-20 minutes is about right, especially if they are getting done twice a week. I'm not bashing the pod casts at all. Just simply giving feedback on why I don't listen to them. If there is a hotbutton topic for the week, I like hearing Ryan and Mike's take on it in general. I just would rather not have to listen through 30 minutes of talking or fish around for it in the podcast.

JCS
JCS

I cosign with Doghouse & Ziko. As I stated earlier, I think it would be in your best interest to keep the show as uniform as possible. Other than that I think you two are doing an excellent job.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

Actually agree with Doghouse. They are kind of long. I try to listen at work, but to sit for 30 straight minutes is tough without getting caught, LoL. I was actually wondering if, since you guys have that little "commercial-less" break in it, if you guys could maybe split the show into 3, 10 minute segments and post all 3 under the same thread. That way, we can listen to one segment a day or something, and still have something to listen to the next few days, and not have to wait the next week to listen. Just a thought. Like Doghouse, not bashing the show. Just think it might get more listeners. And as for people looking to listen to a specific topic, they can maybe just go to that specific loop rather than listen to something they don't have time for. Does that make sense?

nikkoewan
nikkoewan

i just want to hear Ryan and Michael argue. They are like lil' brothers fighting over a candy.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

That be cool. I'd like that.

42
42

Maybe a list of topics by time would satisfy all.

42
42

Lakers lost on the road . . . at the Clippers.

JCS
JCS

So um, anybody seen that new TRON movie?

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

No, but if you haven't seen Black Swan yet, you should. 2010 was an amazing year for movies.

JCS
JCS

Saw it on a double date. That scene where she transformed in the bedroom was pure comedy!

cadillacjacques
cadillacjacques

First time in a while I have enjoyed reading all the comments and not had to skip any. Thanks.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

I guess I have to say You're Welcome. LoL.

Just A Fan
Just A Fan

That's not in the make-up of this coach. He does not want to push the ball. Just like the bad rotations and his inability to put games away,(not fouling when you have a 3 pt lead),all coaching mistakes. We will not make the playoffs with this kind of bad coaching.

Gec
Gec

we are going to make the playoff evenif i agree those may be monty's errors (i don't think Monty has in the gameplan: no fastbreaks.). We are a good team and if we stay healthy we are going to the postseason, in the last games expecially we are playing better on both ends of the floor evenif i would like to see more ball movement against other good teams. I also see some improvement in Monty's coaching in the crunch time during this season and i'm pretty confident he's going to be better and better.

thekeymaster
thekeymaster

one thing that is very evident this year compared to year's past is that cp3 has not had to completely carry the team every night. i know that annoys some of us that he hasn't had one of his patented 33 pts 16 ast 7 reb 7stl games yet this year but it a testament to how well the team is doing and how good they can be if chris doesn't have to carry a huge scoring load and make every pass. it's also great having ariza be another active guy in the passing lanes who can pick balls off, and putt pressure on a ball handler. in all actuality i've started to like ariza quite a bit over the last 8 games or so, before that i'd complain about him every night. now i feel that he is starting to play within himself. okafor is slowly becoming one of my favorite hornets. okafor just has an awesome personality and seems very humble and friendly and like ziko posted before he was as genial as possible after getting an elbow to the chops. as always dwest has been a beast offensively and has become the hornets GO TO GUY. it seems like david has hit almost every big shot we needed this year. also i think other teams watching david become our #1 option will confuse them which will allow chris to be able to pick more spots to be lethal, although i still wanna see some of those magical games from chris this season. although i believe chris is only around %75 (which is still better than 75% of every other PG) i feel that he will be 100% after the all-star break. in the end us as hornets fans have a lot more to be happy and cheerful about than complain about but i guess that's the nature of fandom.

thekeymaster
thekeymaster

one thing i am concerned about though is that the hornets have only score over 100 pts 9 times in 41 games. they really need to start scoring more.

42
42

I disagree that we can't break a couple of times a game. We may not be fast enough to do it regularly, but having the element of surprise can help in that regard moving the ball is faster than moving people the break doesn't need to be successful (i.e. a score) with high efficiency to serve a more general purpose The purpose in this last point is just to keep the bad guys on their collective toes. The occasional break can limit, at times, just a bit, the offensive choices of the bad guys, as they must be worried about a break, or run back for the same reason. Similar concerns are why you want an inefficient player to take shots from time to time.

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

We aren't fast enough to break. Hate to break it to you but it's true. We have 2 players who can run the floor, Ariza and He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Paul's bum knee limits him in this regard and it's probably the only aspect of his game that I can say is greatly impacted by his knee problems. Jack/Green/Belinelli are too slow to really be efficient breakers and Pondexter is too conservative for me to even know what he looks like on the break.

42
42

Now that is something I'd like to see. Good call. We need more 'wrinkles' for sure. Anything to keep the bad guys on their toes. Knowing we may go on a break will affect a bad guy's offensive set a couple of times a game.

thekeymaster
thekeymaster

they can score more off better defense too if they capatalized more on turnovers and pushed it in transition more often.

42
42

Only if they defend less.

42
42

Ask, and ye shall receive: http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2011/01/16/leidenball/ I'll work on the Marx post in the coming days. My goal will be to work in the revolutions of 1848. We'll see.

paul
paul

Well, don't forget to ilude that they never had to happen at all. In fact,and I forget his name at 6AM, but the emporor at the time was set to deliver his plan for shared control of the government by introducing a Parlemantary government...when he was killed by a group of suiced bombers who wanted anarcy at all cost and an end to all royalty. It in fact did the opposite and put in his cousin, I believe...who went NUTS on the people and ended ans such silly idea as shared power with the people. Terrible twist of fate.

42
42

I always have trouble with Royals-not-appearing-in-Shakespeare. Holy Roman Emperors moreso. Popes the most.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

Something I really like about this team and I don't think is mentioned AT ALL is... The CHARACTER of the guys we have on the squad. We have SUCH good guys on this team. No egos, or drama queens, or problem children. Just good individuals who are SOOO respectful, and positive, and humble, and do SOOO much for their communities and charities outside of basketball. We don't have guys who get caught doing drugs, or guys who are disrespectful to fans. We have a team of individuals who are upstanding and its something I think we should be really proud of. Okafor took an elbow to the face last night. What did he do? Some guys would flip and fight in that situation. Okafor patted Thomas' stomach and moved on. West has some fight in him, but I think thats cuz he's a boxer. But aside from smacking Dirk's Nowitski (little bit a sarcasm there), and being a bull dog in his style of play, the guy is as respectful as anyone on the team. And did anyone listen to Chris Paul on the Jim Rome show? Jim Rome tried hard to get CP to say something out of confidence in regards to other PGs in the league. What did CP do? He praised EVERYONE. Mentioning DWill, Westbrook, Rose, Rondo, and Wall and being SOOO respectful about them and how well they are all playing. WHO DOES THAT? NO other superstar in this league is as humble as CP is. He just wants to be as good as he can be, and to show how appreciative he is of it. Just really proud of the personnel we have. I know we are a long ways from getting there, but this is the kind of team that DESERVES to win a championship. No show offs, no psyched out ego's who praise their own "talents", or who are obsessed with money and the spotlight... Just blue collar individuals. A team that meets center court after every game and says a prayer. A team thats living in a city that underwent a tragic natural disaster and was already blessed with a NFL championship. I really hope the Hornets stay in New Orleans. I really hope Chris Paul stays in New Orleans. I really hope we give Chris Paul a great team to play with in New Orleans. I really hope that an NBA championship is one day brought to New Orleans. That's all I want to see.

42
42

All true about character. Additionally, New Orleans folks, I think, support guys they feel don't have a great deal of pomp about them. Drew is more beloved than Reggie for a few reasons, but one is that you can go put notes on his gate; can't do that with Reggie. I've said for a while that the Hornets will be successful as long as people think David West will get cereal off the top shelf for `little old ladies' at Rouse's.

TopherPrice
TopherPrice

That is one of the things that makes me believe CP3's mind isn't set with staying in NOLA. Maybe it has something to do with the ownership situation as well. I can think of two times over the course of the past 6 months I have seen him tweet something about wishing he had more room for stuff. As in, "I wish I had more space for my shoes but sadly I only have my little condo in NOLA... I need a house." Yet in 3 years he hasn't made that move. I know that kind of a thing is big, and some people don't make such a move because procrastination makes life easier than actually taking the leap. However, when you don't feel like you are on stable ground, be it the ownership or his own feelings about your situation, one wouldn't be inclined to spend millions on a house in a housing market like NOLA. No, can't make it to the game. I work in an industry where there is no such thing as holidays. Our services must work every day, all day, so we get limited time off for Holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving, much less the "government holidays." I will be watching it on T.V. between work though.

42
42

Same. Gotta burn vacation...

42
42

You got it, Topher. You going to the game today?

TopherPrice
TopherPrice

The fact that Drew HAS a gate is also one big reason why he is loved as a son of NOLA. If CP3 had home and not an apartment here, I think it would go a long way to easing people's concerns from this summer. Chris has done and continues to do amazing thins for this area, there is just nothing that links an athlete to an area like owning something that feels permanent I'm the community. Drew, Morton, and Archie, all got that. I hope to see Chris soon does as well. Set up roots and NOLA sticks with you for life.

42
42

PJ Brown. He lives in Slidell and is loved. Queen was advocating for him this summer I think. And the Great Dane was as Falcon, among other things, and was still cheered, at least later in his career. Bobby too! Rickey can talk about Pahoke all day and night, but he has a place right up the road from me.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

Aside from the "money" drama at USC, I never once heard a bad thing about Reggie. Everyone here actually loved how approachable he was. No one liked Lienart out here. They all thought he was a cocky, inconsiderate, douche.

42
42

Matt is worthless. I'm comparing Reggie who came in here with more hype than Brees. Brees has overtaken him in popularity here. This is due to a number of reasons, but one is the approachability. I park in front of Drew's house. Reggie and many others are more isolated, and those types of things are in the public threads of conversation. People were complaining about Reggie's $8m this year. No one will blink when Drew signs his big deal coming up. Just chiming in with my perception of the public perception of their character, not in terms of taking the milk money, but in terms of being an equal part in the community.

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

Woah now. I think the pro-Brees argument is fairly legitimate. The anti-Reggie one is way off base. People hate Reggie because he was hyped to be a once in a decade player that has turned out to not even be a really good player. Reggie's character doesn't really deserve question or does his commitment to the city. The guy donated half a mil before he even got here to help rebuild Gormley. How many guys in the NFL would admit that they weren't worth the money that they make? A handful, if that. Reggie not only admitted that, but admits that he loves our city and organization so much that he will renegotiate his contract. I'm sorry. You may view the guy as an NFL bust. But to bring his character into this isn't fair. He is a stand up New Orleanian and quite a self-motivated competitor.

42
42

I am a big fan of Reggie and think he's worth every penny. I'm quoting what I hear very often from many people, including yesterday from 2 ladies from Alexandria. DogHouse: you need to read more carefully and ask before you assume.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

That made me laugh so hard 42. Good ol' DWest. And yea, no pomp on this team at all.

QueenBee
QueenBee

"I’ve said for a while that the Hornets will be successful as long as people think David West will get cereal off the top shelf for `little old ladies’ at Rouse’s." LOL!!

Westbank Ripp
Westbank Ripp

I'm having withdrawls already! How long do we have left!!!!!!!!!

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

Let's remember. No matter how frustrated we get, it could always be worse. We could be Denver's fan base. I'm surprised they still have one, to be honest.

paul
paul

well, or have lived in my dad's shoes. those Brookyn Dodgers fans are still emotionally damaged from suddenly seeing their beloved team joining the elitist in California. I still think this was THE most horrendous destruction of a loyal fan following. Hell, it was the community itself. It is still to me the most real reminder that this is a business. and with EACH championship comes asuperstar bandonmen of fans to cities offering more money. so let's all have fun doing the sports thing, but we need to let it go and enjoy our few moments. See, 42...I can perform self hypnosis. As Decartes said... I think, therefore I am........... Um, I think.

paul
paul

42... it really is simpler that these great thinkers. I mean, it was awfully nice to be able to sit and think, but others were burning in the afternoon heat trying to save a crop from the climate's sudden turn colder. What I mean is after all is done, after you have panned your camera out until the big picture is so much more than human, you end up realizing "they were blind men in a dark room looking for a black at that wasn't there...." This I know, because I am one of those contradictions and feeders on the work of others.

42
42

It usually is simple, agreed. I'm commeting more on the work than 'what is right.'

paul
paul

Wait...what?

42
42

Cogito, ergo sum. You got the English translation solidly. And, yes, Rene Descartes. He was searching for a foundation to build upon philosophically, one thing he knew to be true after a applying skepticism to everything he knows. He arrived at Cogito, ergo sum, in other words, he knows he can think about thinking. This, while neat, leads to a bit of a tautology. It leads to good thinking, but you can't break the link between ontology and epistemology that flows from there. Kant, to me, takes this a step further, essentially linking these to the good, and to an extent, beauty. To me, this is the start and end of modernism. The post-moderns chip away at this from a few angles.

MaxALM
MaxALM

Haha yeaaaa i got an admin's shoutout! Go Hornets. Journal writeup coming soon

m-W
m-W

I think talk about the team's rotation is important. People just need to tone down the personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Though, I think it is insulting to say that any particular piece of discourse is "toxic" or off-limits. Monty himself displayed frustration about the incessant questioning he gets about the playing minutes of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-For-48-Hours, but he's going to keep getting those questions. He can't dodge them and neither can 247. They'll be back 6:08 CST on Tuesday. Not allowing people to talk about one of the biggest issues facing the Hornets is silly. It's on the forefront of most fans' minds, and all you're doing is telling them to go elsewhere for Hornets talk. Can't stop the signal, Mike.

42
42

I think it's more about regrouping and starting the discussion from a more settled position. We want good debate, not ad hominem lobs. The quality has suffered, sadly. I think it's worth a shot.

m-W
m-W

Fair enough. *deep breath* Fair enough.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

The team has won 4 straight, has West and Okafor playing at an all time high, Ariza is evolving, the defense is tops in the West, and CP3 has the highest PER in the league. If this is at the "forefront of most fans minds" as you say- what does that say about us as fans? That's kinda sad if you ask me. I welcome people to go to other inferior sites and whine and complain over there because that is not what this site is about. SO many things to discuss and I think the other 20+ posters so far this morning have proven that point.

QueenBee
QueenBee

"...and CP3 has the highest PER in the league." Not anymore. :(

504ever
504ever

OMG, I totally agree with a Michael McNamara post: "The team has won 4 straight, has West and Okafor playing at an all time high, Ariza is evolving, the defense is tops in the West, and CP3 has the highest PER in the league. If this is at the “forefront of most fans minds” as you say- what does that say about us as fans? That’s kinda sad if you ask me. I welcome people to go to other inferior sites and whine and complain over there because that is not what this site is about. SO many things to discuss and I think the other 20+ posters so far this morning have proven that point." WT? is up with that?

m-W
m-W

From Day 1, the rotations from Monty have been headscratching. A lot of people said even during the 11-1 stretch that there were problems underneath the surface. Same goes now. We're winning, but no reason we shouldn't discuss the issues the team still needs to address. I'm not saying the rotation, at every position, is the only issue, just the principal complaint that (more than just posters here) bloggers, journalists, and even ex-Hornets have. It's not about whining, it is about expressing disbelief in not playing the team's best players. I understand your not wanting that to dominate every thread, but banning the conversation won't make it go away.