The 48 Hour Toxic Cleanse

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Published: January 16, 2011

For those of you not familiar with the idea of a body cleanse, the philosophy is simple- our bodies are naturally in a state of good health, but we expose ourselves to toxins, pesticides, medical prescriptions, etc and that leaves our body less able to cope with diseases. A body cleanse resets our body and immune system, restoring it back to its natural state of health. The process involves nothing but exercise and a form of fasting that only allows you to eat very specific foods.

Hornets247.com will be engaging in a 48 hour toxic cleanse and the toxic we will all be cleansing ourselves of is this Marcus Thornton debate. That will officially be the last time I mention his name for 48 hours. Mark it down. 6:07 CST. So we all have 48 hours to exercise our minds by discussing other issues and will only digest those subject matters. Feel the joy and the liberation! Return your mind back to its natural, positive state.

Monty’s Doghouse and Ziko- find an area where you have common ground. 42- enlighten us with some concept that only 1% of us have heard of and the other 99% shake their head at the reference, chuckle, and then move on. Nikkoewan- we need your optimism now more than ever. Gec- write us a journal, I can tell you have the skill. MaxALM- do the same.

You guys are all far too talented and bright to let this debate consume you. Return yourself to the state of bliss that is being a Hornets fan on Hornets247.com. Do it for me. Do it for yourself.

No more talk of the subject- any comment even mentioning the name of the Fallen Child will be deleted. We can do this together- as a community! I am getting excited just thinking about all we can accomplish now that this toxic has been removed. Let’s see what you got HornetsNation!

93 Comments

  1. lancebrou68

    January 16, 2011 at 6:45 am

    Finally, i agree MM

  2. f.g. di bene

    January 16, 2011 at 7:33 am

    no problem. i always liked belinelli more.

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      January 16, 2011 at 10:24 am

      DELETE – I feel the rage building! J/K

      • nikkoewan

        January 16, 2011 at 10:28 am

        LOL

    • AgentZiko

      January 16, 2011 at 1:44 pm

      Haha. That’s funny.

    • 42

      January 16, 2011 at 1:52 pm

      That is borderline, really.

      I’ll let it go since you are actually writing from Italy.

      Really, let’s go with M McNamara on this. No pronouns. No `the one’ type stuff.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 1:52 pm

        And it was funny.

  3. nikkoewan

    January 16, 2011 at 9:11 am

    OH YEAH THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! i was doing an okafor post which illustrated statistically how he has never been better in his career. But sadly, my chrome crashed and i never was able to save the words i typed. sigh.. oh well. i’ll still let it up if i have the time. Hopefully, Okafor will still be balling by the time i have it up. We have a bunch of winnable games ahead of us. i see 5 wins, 1 loss and 2 toss ups, now if thats a 50/50 chance. thats a total of 6 – 2 in our next 8. not bad. by my count thats 31 – 18. while okc gets a tough schedule ahead of them, i expect their record to be 4 – 3. that equates to 31 – 16. we’re suddenly just a game behind for 5th spot. if we can win games we should(which i can totally see because the team seems to be gelling at the right time) and steal a game between atlanta or spurs then its really achievable. LEZ GO HORNETS!

    • JayRey

      January 16, 2011 at 10:12 am

      Yea Nikko I definitely agree, this is the stretch where I think the Hornets could definitely gain some ground. We should just worry about taking care of business one game at a time and not really worry about the other teams ahead or behind us.

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      January 16, 2011 at 10:15 am

      I’ll let OKC go ahead and slide into the 3 spot. In terms of playoff matchups, this is how I would rank them from least favorable to favorable.

      1) Lakers
      2) Thunder
      3) Spurs
      4) Mavs
      5) Jazz
      6) Everyone else

      Now imagine that OKC and LAL are the 2/3 seeds. We get a road that more than likely means going through Utah or Dallas in the first round (doable) to San Antonio in the 2nd round (tough) to hopefully seeing OKC in the WCF. As soon as we run into the Lakers, season’s over.

      Let’s face it. Matchup wise, it is highly unlikely that the other two teams that I think are capable of taking them down (Dallas and San Antonio) will meet them unless they make it to the WCF. That’s why I just root for the Spurs to keep on winning (unless they’re playing us). I think we will have a shot at 4-5 at the end of the day and that’s a Lakers-free matchup. And if OKC could pull off what they very nearly accomplished last year, it’s anyone’s ballgame.

      • nikkoewan

        January 16, 2011 at 10:23 am

        from the looks for your rankings i’d flip the Spurs and the Thunder. so that’s

        lakers> Spurs>Thunder>Mavs>Jazz> everybody else

        if we consider that, im rooting that the rankings be something like this…

        Mavericks
        Spurs
        Lakers
        Jazz
        Hornets
        OKC
        everybody else

        if all goes according to that plan, we have a greater chance of reaching the WCF than ever. We won’t meet the Spurs and Lakers until the finals. And if OKC somehow gets by the Lakers, then we have a chance at making the WCF. that’s assuming we win 2 rounds without home court advantage. I can totally see us defeating the Mavs without home court. its’t the Jazz i’m worried about. they are learning how to win on the road. so that’s going to be a fun series.

        Funny how we’re talking playoffs matchups now when at the start of the season, we were hoping for just 0.500. Screw you Michael! and you 40 – 42 prediction LOL 47~50 is where ie xpect us to be..

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 2:01 pm

        I’d like to point out that I predicted 50 wins (in the forums).

        Half way through, we are halfway there.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        January 16, 2011 at 10:36 am

        I like your thinking. I’m just trying to stay fairly realistic lol. I don’t know why but I just feel that we could maybe figure out SAS in a 7-game series. We have the tools to give their small ball lineup problems. We just don’t quite use them properly when they are out there (I’m not talking about the Fallen One). I’d rather stay big and muscle them then allow them to dictate to us anyhow. Let the beasts out of their cage.

        The Thunder just have so much damn athleticism that it worries me. Ariza is a great defender, but we can’t expect Durant to shoot 40-42% over the course of a playoff series. He’s just too good. Westbrook gives Paul fits too.

        Regardless, we are going to have to find ways to score more than 80-90 points to beat either of them.

      • AgentZiko

        January 16, 2011 at 5:09 pm

        You don’t have to score to win.

        When the Pistons won the title, they averaged 90.1 points as a team and only allowed their opponents an unreal 84.3.

        We’re not the Pistons, but we’re more of a defensive minded team.

        We control the tempo, and we run the clock. If we try to run with teams, we WILL lose. We don’t have the athletes other teams have.

        If we continue to control the tempo, limit turnovers (which no one in the world is better at than CP), and play defense the way we have, we will continue to win games.

        50+, 42. Thats the goal. 50+.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        January 16, 2011 at 9:02 pm

        @Ziko – You just had to find a way to pick an argument with me. Dude. Seriously. Please quit responding to me. You make my experience here generally un-enjoyable by pissing me off with your over-the-top disagreements. If you think this team is going to hold SAS under 90 PPG in a playoff series, you are off your rocker.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm

        Let him be wrong if he is, man.

        It’s ok for people to be wrong.

      • AgentZiko

        January 16, 2011 at 9:12 pm

        I think I have every entitlement to join the conversation as much as you do.

        I never said we’d hold San Antonio to under 90 a game. You’re putting words in my mouth again.

        I don’t understand why I “piss you off” so much. You don’t piss me off one bit.

        My disagreements aren’t “over the top”. Quite a few others tend to agree with me.

        To be realistic Doghouse, you and I post on here more than most people. That’s why we cross paths.

        I actually agree with you. I think we COULD figure out SAS in a 7 game series. I’m just trying to think of the best way to do it too.

        I think you’re right. We actually do match their small ball REALLY well. But I think both SAS and OKC are overall more talented than us, and more athletic like you mentioned.

        I think maybe the best way to beat them is to limit their shot attempts and deny them of as many fast break opportunities as possible.

        And yea, offensively, I think we can’t afford ANY 1-7 shooting type games from ANYONE. We need to find ways to get more “easy” baskets.

        Am I being an A-Hole here? Cuz I’m actually trying to be civil with you.

      • nikkoewan

        January 16, 2011 at 11:01 pm

        cmon Monty’s Dog & Ziko: 🙂 there will be disagreements, but let’s not fight. Monty’s Dog believes offense is key to our wins. Ziko believes its defense. 🙂 Cmon 🙂

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        January 16, 2011 at 11:39 pm

        No, it’s the fact that every single post that I make is refuted by Ziko in one form or the other. It’s like he’s my 247 arch-nemesis or something. He automatically assumes that what I am saying is built towards the Fallen One or loosey-goosey offensive attitude that forgoes us playing any defense at all.

        No. I’m asking for consistent, offensive efficiency. We go through nightly periods where our team (starters or bench) scores under a point a minute over a nice 8-10 minute stretch. This, again, is a nightly occurrence. In a playoff atmosphere, we can not afford these 10-15 point swings we like to give away. You can fall behind by 16 to the Rockets or 8 early to the Bobcats and still come out with a W. In the playoffs, getting into a 10 point hole with the Spurs is almost a damn death blow. You have to spend so much energy just climbing back into the game that when it comes down to finishing things off, it’s hard to have that reserve left. Look at Game 7 back in 2007-08. We fell behind and made one massive push, but when one thing went wrong (Pargo’s game tying three), it all fell apart and we lost by a solid 8 points iirc. Running on emotion only gets you so far.

        Basically, you can not afford to have these third quarter droughts that we have become famous for. The comeback is almost impossible in the playoffs. You don’t get mentally fatigued or apathetic players when their season is on the line. You don’t get to take anybody by surprise. They are used to you by now.

        The pace of the game can be to our advantage and disadvantage in this regard. We can’t just run off 10-13 points in 2 minutes with our style.

        It’s like football. Everyone tells you that you need a strong running game and a good defense in the playoffs. When that team falls behind 17 points, it’s almost damn near impossible for them to figure out how to get themselves back in the game with only 15 minutes left. They just aren’t used to it. But the Saints and Drew Brees (the equivalent of the old Suns) are built for that 17 point comeback. Yes, the Saints won a SB the season they found a combination of all 3 aspects of the game and the Suns never got anywhere in the playoffs.

        The point is balance. Ziko is right when he says that the 84 ppg is ungodly, because it is. You can’t be bottom 10 offense and top 5 defense. If you want to have a bottom 10 offense, you better be the best defensive team in the league if you want to advance in the playoffs. You better be able to use defense as your offense. We just aren’t THAT good defensively to hang our hat on it like that. If our offense can be middle of the road (12-18), we can make serious noise in the playoffs. If the trend continues and we are sitting there at 25-30, we will more than likely lose in the first round. We just have to play too perfect to expect any sort of results.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 11:49 pm

        I think the relevant stat is the difference between offensive rating and defensive ratings rather than either one in isolation. We need that differential to be better, and that can happen in a few ways, such as more offense, more defense, and both. The same can be said of any team, however, so this isn’t a deep insight.

        At any rate, what the individual NBA rankings tell you what kind of `style’ you’ll see. The difference tells you something about your potential record should the performance continue long-term.

        There are many wonderful things in this world that behave similarly.

  4. Hornet Seantonio

    January 16, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Marcus who?

    • 42

      January 16, 2011 at 1:57 pm

      Aurelius. Right?

      • TopherPrice

        January 16, 2011 at 11:37 pm

        ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!

  5. Madtown 27

    January 16, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Marxist theory

    • 42

      January 16, 2011 at 1:57 pm

      Is that a request?

      If so, I can write something up.

  6. JayRey

    January 16, 2011 at 10:10 am

    I think the Hornets have once again found confidence during this streak. Momentum is definitely in their favor so their mindset should be “Lets take care of business against weaker opponents” while also thinking “Hey we could definitely hang with the best.” Of course it’s still a little far off to think they could reach the top, but theres no reason they should not be giving it all they got.

    • nikkoewan

      January 16, 2011 at 10:15 am

      totally agree. i have a strong feeling that if we win our next 3 games, we’ll be going into SA with a great feeling.. Hope Jack continues his ascend. His stats are looking better and better. hopefully with a better floor leader of the bench, we can hang tight with the Spurs.

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      January 16, 2011 at 10:22 am

      I’m not gonna lie. I want to see us blow out some chumps in the coming weeks. I feel like good teams don’t just keep squeaking by with wins. Good teams show that they are world’s better than your scrawny lil ass on some nights.

      It’s funny. It seems our biggest X-factor lately has been Trevor Ariza. When he plays well. We are hard to beat.

      It’s also nice to note that the Oak Tree has become so consistent that we don’t even need to consider him an X-factor anymore.

      • nikkoewan

        January 16, 2011 at 10:27 am

        yeah yeah. Ariza is our new X factor. if he plays his usual stellar defense and be average on offense, we become an even more potent team. Too bad Belinelli’s injured. I hope he’s okay. It’s also encouraging that Ariza is taking WIDE OPEN shots(albeit he’s not making a good amount of them). I’d still rather have him shoot a jumper around the 15 ft rather than 18~21. But his stroke is looking good recently. Hope he continues that. I predict Ariza goes for 10 pts on 44% FG, 1.5 3s 33%, 5 rebounds 2 assists and 2 stls with 1.5 TO over our next 8(along with my 6-2 prediction). just think about the Spurs: if Okafor can neutralize Duncan, and Ariza can neutralize Ginobili, they are basically left with a less efficient scoring Jefferson to shoulder the load with a Parker checked by none other than Paul. And we still have West who the Spurs don’t have anyone to matchup with. It’s the Spurs bench that will kill us if we ever meet them in the playoffs.

      • Gec

        January 16, 2011 at 8:48 pm

        i think ariza isn’t the real X factor.
        When we don’t need some extra scoring or when someone not named West/Paul gives us some offensive production and Trevor becomes our fourth option on offense he simply step up big-time because he is in his comfortable spot where he used to be on the Lakers, expecially in clutch moments.
        That’s what i like the most in Ariza, if he stays out of “mental fatigue” in the last minutes he always becomes a factor. Because he’s smart.

        I think our team is one of the team with highest IQ in the game right now. At least our starting 5 is. ‘Meka and Ariza are a lot smarter than people think they are and i think their games (‘Meka’s one for sure) need a lot of “mental stamina” and confidence to be at their best.

      • Gec

        January 16, 2011 at 8:53 pm

        @nikko, don’t underextimate Jefferson D on West when they go smallball. Jefferson also played well against us all season long.
        Actually he worries me more than Duncan and Parker 😀

  7. Ian H.

    January 16, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Monty has done a superb coaching job as of late with his rotations and West appears to have become more aggressive and decisive with his offense and on the offensive glass. The last several games he has taken over in the 4th quarter n CP3 has become an accessory. Emeka has been playing tough down low and his free throw shooting has improved especially late in games. Ariza still has very questionable shot selection but his defense has been phenomenal and he has been a factor driving in the lane and getting putbacks on offensive glass. They appear to be getting hot again like earlier in year.

  8. nikkoewan

    January 16, 2011 at 10:31 am

    finally a blog entry that’s not vomitting. to toxic cleansing!

  9. paul

    January 16, 2011 at 10:36 am

    nikkoewan
    You are one of the very reasons I like to be a small participant on this sight.
    Anybody I feel I can spend an evening drinking with is the type I tens to want more tim e with.
    Thanks.

    42.
    I would love more than anything else to meet you. You have the most gental way of reminding me I am a monkey with a set of car keys and I really have no real purpose in the universe.
    You remind me of why I have removed all mirrors from my house.
    A true joy to read and I seek out your small contributions everyday.

    QueenBee.
    You’re a lot like me.
    To many emotions on our sleeves. I think someday you will find, as I did, good single malts and several combinations of prescribed medications make more smiles.
    Dumber looks, but at least you have a smile.

    • QueenBee

      January 16, 2011 at 1:44 pm

      🙂

    • 42

      January 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm

      If you come to town, first round is on me and I can usually convince a friend to step aside to take a guest to the game. They aren’t the best seats, but they are good seats that surrounded by good fans.

  10. paul

    January 16, 2011 at 10:41 am

    The Truth?
    I can’t tell you if I ever watched this game for more than a few minutes.
    Ever.
    It should be called ALLHOTDOG Game.

    I would like to see Paul actually NOT play.
    Soaking his feet in a hot tub for a few days rest would be my prescription as a trainer.
    Same with Okafor.
    Rest those Knees.

    Gray…practice the Football running back ground rope drill! You know, the one where you need to lift your feet high through the squares as you run.
    Or take up dancing lessons!
    Jack..,practice going left and right with the ball while holding up your head and looking for teammates, instead of up the middle!
    Ariza…shoot threes until you make ten in a row. The shoot threes.

    West…take Paul’s place so he can rest, you deserve a spot anyhow.

    • nikkoewan

      January 16, 2011 at 10:44 am

      i think for Ariza, you gotta do what Toronto did with Calderon. They tied a rope around Calderon’s elbow and tied it to his hip or something. That way, he won’t be doing any chicken wing jumper. Ariza seems to have that kind of a jumper as well. maybe if we did that to Ariza, he’ll become a 50/40/90 threat like Calderon LOL

  11. MaxJD_Nola2NYC

    January 16, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I love being a Hornets fan even when times are rough this group we have is a great place to vent and let it all out!! BTW did u guys love that dunk by DWEST!!!! Whoooooooo that’s two in a row facials lol

    • nikkoewan

      January 16, 2011 at 11:05 am

      i think he’s trying to send a memo to coaches from other teams.

      “Snub me and i’ll do this to your team” LOL

  12. m-W

    January 16, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    I think talk about the team’s rotation is important. People just need to tone down the personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Though, I think it is insulting to say that any particular piece of discourse is “toxic” or off-limits.

    Monty himself displayed frustration about the incessant questioning he gets about the playing minutes of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-For-48-Hours, but he’s going to keep getting those questions. He can’t dodge them and neither can 247. They’ll be back 6:08 CST on Tuesday.

    Not allowing people to talk about one of the biggest issues facing the Hornets is silly. It’s on the forefront of most fans’ minds, and all you’re doing is telling them to go elsewhere for Hornets talk.

    Can’t stop the signal, Mike.

    • Michael McNamara

      January 16, 2011 at 12:15 pm

      The team has won 4 straight, has West and Okafor playing at an all time high, Ariza is evolving, the defense is tops in the West, and CP3 has the highest PER in the league.

      If this is at the “forefront of most fans minds” as you say- what does that say about us as fans? That’s kinda sad if you ask me. I welcome people to go to other inferior sites and whine and complain over there because that is not what this site is about.

      SO many things to discuss and I think the other 20+ posters so far this morning have proven that point.

      • m-W

        January 16, 2011 at 12:24 pm

        From Day 1, the rotations from Monty have been headscratching. A lot of people said even during the 11-1 stretch that there were problems underneath the surface. Same goes now. We’re winning, but no reason we shouldn’t discuss the issues the team still needs to address.

        I’m not saying the rotation, at every position, is the only issue, just the principal complaint that (more than just posters here) bloggers, journalists, and even ex-Hornets have. It’s not about whining, it is about expressing disbelief in not playing the team’s best players.

        I understand your not wanting that to dominate every thread, but banning the conversation won’t make it go away.

      • 504ever

        January 16, 2011 at 1:26 pm

        OMG, I totally agree with a Michael McNamara post:

        “The team has won 4 straight, has West and Okafor playing at an all time high, Ariza is evolving, the defense is tops in the West, and CP3 has the highest PER in the league.

        If this is at the “forefront of most fans minds” as you say- what does that say about us as fans? That’s kinda sad if you ask me. I welcome people to go to other inferior sites and whine and complain over there because that is not what this site is about.

        SO many things to discuss and I think the other 20+ posters so far this morning have proven that point.”

        WT? is up with that?

      • QueenBee

        January 16, 2011 at 1:46 pm

        “…and CP3 has the highest PER in the league.”

        Not anymore. 🙁

    • 42

      January 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm

      I think it’s more about regrouping and starting the discussion from a more settled position.

      We want good debate, not ad hominem lobs. The quality has suffered, sadly.

      I think it’s worth a shot.

      • m-W

        January 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm

        Fair enough. *deep breath* Fair enough.

  13. MaxALM

    January 16, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Haha yeaaaa i got an admin’s shoutout! Go Hornets.
    Journal writeup coming soon

  14. Monty'sDoghouse

    January 16, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Let’s remember. No matter how frustrated we get, it could always be worse. We could be Denver’s fan base. I’m surprised they still have one, to be honest.

    • paul

      January 16, 2011 at 2:12 pm

      well, or have lived in my dad’s shoes.
      those Brookyn Dodgers fans are still emotionally damaged from suddenly seeing their beloved team joining the elitist in California.
      I still think this was THE most horrendous destruction of a loyal fan following.
      Hell, it was the community itself.
      It is still to me the most real reminder that this is a business.
      and with EACH championship comes asuperstar bandonmen of fans to cities offering more money.
      so let’s all have fun doing the sports thing, but we need to let it go and enjoy our few moments.

      See, 42…I can perform self hypnosis.

      As Decartes said…
      I think, therefore I am………..
      Um, I think.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm

        Cogito, ergo sum.

        You got the English translation solidly.

        And, yes, Rene Descartes. He was searching for a foundation to build upon philosophically, one thing he knew to be true after a applying skepticism to everything he knows. He arrived at Cogito, ergo sum, in other words, he knows he can think about thinking. This, while neat, leads to a bit of a tautology. It leads to good thinking, but you can’t break the link between ontology and epistemology that flows from there.

        Kant, to me, takes this a step further, essentially linking these to the good, and to an extent, beauty. To me, this is the start and end of modernism. The post-moderns chip away at this from a few angles.

      • paul

        January 16, 2011 at 5:53 pm

        Wait…what?

      • paul

        January 16, 2011 at 5:58 pm

        42…
        it really is simpler that these great thinkers.
        I mean, it was awfully nice to be able to sit and think, but others were burning in the afternoon heat trying to save a crop from the climate’s sudden turn colder.

        What I mean is after all is done, after you have panned your camera out until the big picture is so much more than human, you end up realizing “they were blind men in a dark room looking for a black at that wasn’t there….”

        This I know, because I am one of those contradictions and feeders on the work of others.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm

        It usually is simple, agreed.

        I’m commeting more on the work than ‘what is right.’

  15. Westbank Ripp

    January 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I’m having withdrawls already! How long do we have left!!!!!!!!!

  16. AgentZiko

    January 16, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Something I really like about this team and I don’t think is mentioned AT ALL is…

    The CHARACTER of the guys we have on the squad.

    We have SUCH good guys on this team. No egos, or drama queens, or problem children. Just good individuals who are SOOO respectful, and positive, and humble, and do SOOO much for their communities and charities outside of basketball.

    We don’t have guys who get caught doing drugs, or guys who are disrespectful to fans. We have a team of individuals who are upstanding and its something I think we should be really proud of.

    Okafor took an elbow to the face last night. What did he do? Some guys would flip and fight in that situation. Okafor patted Thomas’ stomach and moved on.

    West has some fight in him, but I think thats cuz he’s a boxer. But aside from smacking Dirk’s Nowitski (little bit a sarcasm there), and being a bull dog in his style of play, the guy is as respectful as anyone on the team.

    And did anyone listen to Chris Paul on the Jim Rome show? Jim Rome tried hard to get CP to say something out of confidence in regards to other PGs in the league. What did CP do? He praised EVERYONE. Mentioning DWill, Westbrook, Rose, Rondo, and Wall and being SOOO respectful about them and how well they are all playing.

    WHO DOES THAT?

    NO other superstar in this league is as humble as CP is. He just wants to be as good as he can be, and to show how appreciative he is of it.

    Just really proud of the personnel we have. I know we are a long ways from getting there, but this is the kind of team that DESERVES to win a championship. No show offs, no psyched out ego’s who praise their own “talents”, or who are obsessed with money and the spotlight… Just blue collar individuals. A team that meets center court after every game and says a prayer. A team thats living in a city that underwent a tragic natural disaster and was already blessed with a NFL championship.

    I really hope the Hornets stay in New Orleans.

    I really hope Chris Paul stays in New Orleans.

    I really hope we give Chris Paul a great team to play with in New Orleans.

    I really hope that an NBA championship is one day brought to New Orleans.

    That’s all I want to see.

    • 42

      January 16, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      All true about character.

      Additionally, New Orleans folks, I think, support guys they feel don’t have a great deal of pomp about them. Drew is more beloved than Reggie for a few reasons, but one is that you can go put notes on his gate; can’t do that with Reggie.

      I’ve said for a while that the Hornets will be successful as long as people think David West will get cereal off the top shelf for `little old ladies’ at Rouse’s.

      • QueenBee

        January 16, 2011 at 5:08 pm

        “I’ve said for a while that the Hornets will be successful as long as people think David West will get cereal off the top shelf for `little old ladies’ at Rouse’s.”

        LOL!!

      • AgentZiko

        January 16, 2011 at 5:12 pm

        That made me laugh so hard 42. Good ol’ DWest.

        And yea, no pomp on this team at all.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        January 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm

        Woah now. I think the pro-Brees argument is fairly legitimate. The anti-Reggie one is way off base. People hate Reggie because he was hyped to be a once in a decade player that has turned out to not even be a really good player. Reggie’s character doesn’t really deserve question or does his commitment to the city. The guy donated half a mil before he even got here to help rebuild Gormley.

        How many guys in the NFL would admit that they weren’t worth the money that they make? A handful, if that. Reggie not only admitted that, but admits that he loves our city and organization so much that he will renegotiate his contract.

        I’m sorry. You may view the guy as an NFL bust. But to bring his character into this isn’t fair. He is a stand up New Orleanian and quite a self-motivated competitor.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 9:09 pm

        I am a big fan of Reggie and think he’s worth every penny. I’m quoting what I hear very often from many people, including yesterday from 2 ladies from Alexandria.

        DogHouse: you need to read more carefully and ask before you assume.

      • AgentZiko

        January 16, 2011 at 9:16 pm

        Aside from the “money” drama at USC, I never once heard a bad thing about Reggie. Everyone here actually loved how approachable he was. No one liked Lienart out here. They all thought he was a cocky, inconsiderate, douche.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 9:28 pm

        Matt is worthless.

        I’m comparing Reggie who came in here with more hype than Brees. Brees has overtaken him in popularity here. This is due to a number of reasons, but one is the approachability. I park in front of Drew’s house. Reggie and many others are more isolated, and those types of things are in the public threads of conversation. People were complaining about Reggie’s $8m this year. No one will blink when Drew signs his big deal coming up.

        Just chiming in with my perception of the public perception of their character, not in terms of taking the milk money, but in terms of being an equal part in the community.

      • TopherPrice

        January 17, 2011 at 12:07 am

        The fact that Drew HAS a gate is also one big reason why he is loved as a son of NOLA. If CP3 had home and not an apartment here, I think it would go a long way to easing people’s concerns from this summer. Chris has done and continues to do amazing thins for this area, there is just nothing that links an athlete to an area like owning something that feels permanent I’m the community. Drew, Morton, and Archie, all got that. I hope to see Chris soon does as well. Set up roots and NOLA sticks with you for life.

      • 42

        January 17, 2011 at 6:58 am

        PJ Brown. He lives in Slidell and is loved. Queen was advocating for him this summer I think.

        And the Great Dane was as Falcon, among other things, and was still cheered, at least later in his career. Bobby too!

        Rickey can talk about Pahoke all day and night, but he has a place right up the road from me.

      • 42

        January 17, 2011 at 6:36 am

        You got it, Topher.

        You going to the game today?

      • TopherPrice

        January 17, 2011 at 8:27 am

        That is one of the things that makes me believe CP3’s mind isn’t set with staying in NOLA. Maybe it has something to do with the ownership situation as well. I can think of two times over the course of the past 6 months I have seen him tweet something about wishing he had more room for stuff. As in, “I wish I had more space for my shoes but sadly I only have my little condo in NOLA… I need a house.” Yet in 3 years he hasn’t made that move. I know that kind of a thing is big, and some people don’t make such a move because procrastination makes life easier than actually taking the leap. However, when you don’t feel like you are on stable ground, be it the ownership or his own feelings about your situation, one wouldn’t be inclined to spend millions on a house in a housing market like NOLA.

        No, can’t make it to the game. I work in an industry where there is no such thing as holidays. Our services must work every day, all day, so we get limited time off for Holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving, much less the “government holidays.” I will be watching it on T.V. between work though.

      • 42

        January 17, 2011 at 8:40 am

        Same. Gotta burn vacation…

  17. 42

    January 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Ask, and ye shall receive:

    http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2011/01/16/leidenball/

    I’ll work on the Marx post in the coming days. My goal will be to work in the revolutions of 1848. We’ll see.

    • paul

      January 17, 2011 at 6:05 am

      Well, don’t forget to ilude that they never had to happen at all.
      In fact,and I forget his name at 6AM, but the emporor at the time was set to deliver his plan for shared control of the government by introducing a Parlemantary government…when he was killed by a group of suiced bombers who wanted anarcy at all cost and an end to all royalty.
      It in fact did the opposite and put in his cousin, I believe…who went NUTS on the people and ended ans such silly idea as shared power with the people.
      Terrible twist of fate.

      • 42

        January 17, 2011 at 6:56 am

        I always have trouble with Royals-not-appearing-in-Shakespeare. Holy Roman Emperors moreso. Popes the most.

  18. thekeymaster

    January 16, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    one thing that is very evident this year compared to year’s past is that cp3 has not had to completely carry the team every night. i know that annoys some of us that he hasn’t had one of his patented 33 pts 16 ast 7 reb 7stl games yet this year but it a testament to how well the team is doing and how good they can be if chris doesn’t have to carry a huge scoring load and make every pass. it’s also great having ariza be another active guy in the passing lanes who can pick balls off, and putt pressure on a ball handler. in all actuality i’ve started to like ariza quite a bit over the last 8 games or so, before that i’d complain about him every night. now i feel that he is starting to play within himself. okafor is slowly becoming one of my favorite hornets. okafor just has an awesome personality and seems very humble and friendly and like ziko posted before he was as genial as possible after getting an elbow to the chops. as always dwest has been a beast offensively and has become the hornets GO TO GUY. it seems like david has hit almost every big shot we needed this year. also i think other teams watching david become our #1 option will confuse them which will allow chris to be able to pick more spots to be lethal, although i still wanna see some of those magical games from chris this season. although i believe chris is only around %75 (which is still better than 75% of every other PG) i feel that he will be 100% after the all-star break. in the end us as hornets fans have a lot more to be happy and cheerful about than complain about but i guess that’s the nature of fandom.

    • thekeymaster

      January 16, 2011 at 4:30 pm

      one thing i am concerned about though is that the hornets have only score over 100 pts 9 times in 41 games. they really need to start scoring more.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm

        Only if they defend less.

      • thekeymaster

        January 16, 2011 at 4:49 pm

        they can score more off better defense too if they capatalized more on turnovers and pushed it in transition more often.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 4:56 pm

        Now that is something I’d like to see. Good call.

        We need more ‘wrinkles’ for sure. Anything to keep the bad guys on their toes. Knowing we may go on a break will affect a bad guy’s offensive set a couple of times a game.

      • Monty'sDoghouse

        January 16, 2011 at 11:47 pm

        We aren’t fast enough to break. Hate to break it to you but it’s true. We have 2 players who can run the floor, Ariza and He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Paul’s bum knee limits him in this regard and it’s probably the only aspect of his game that I can say is greatly impacted by his knee problems. Jack/Green/Belinelli are too slow to really be efficient breakers and Pondexter is too conservative for me to even know what he looks like on the break.

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 11:59 pm

        I disagree that we can’t break a couple of times a game. We may not be fast enough to do it regularly, but

        having the element of surprise can help in that regard

        moving the ball is faster than moving people

        the break doesn’t need to be successful (i.e. a score) with high efficiency to serve a more general purpose

        The purpose in this last point is just to keep the bad guys on their collective toes. The occasional break can limit, at times, just a bit, the offensive choices of the bad guys, as they must be worried about a break, or run back for the same reason.

        Similar concerns are why you want an inefficient player to take shots from time to time.

  19. Just A Fan

    January 16, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    That’s not in the make-up of this coach. He does not want to push the ball. Just like the bad rotations and his inability to put games away,(not fouling when you have a 3 pt lead),all coaching mistakes. We will not make the playoffs with this kind of bad coaching.

    • Gec

      January 16, 2011 at 8:22 pm

      we are going to make the playoff evenif i agree those may be monty’s errors (i don’t think Monty has in the gameplan: no fastbreaks.). We are a good team and if we stay healthy we are going to the postseason, in the last games expecially we are playing better on both ends of the floor evenif i would like to see more ball movement against other good teams.
      I also see some improvement in Monty’s coaching in the crunch time during this season and i’m pretty confident he’s going to be better and better.

  20. cadillacjacques

    January 16, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    First time in a while I have enjoyed reading all the comments and not had to skip any. Thanks.

    • AgentZiko

      January 16, 2011 at 9:24 pm

      I guess I have to say You’re Welcome. LoL.

  21. JCS

    January 16, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    So um, anybody seen that new TRON movie?

    • Monty'sDoghouse

      January 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      No, but if you haven’t seen Black Swan yet, you should. 2010 was an amazing year for movies.

      • JCS

        January 16, 2011 at 9:56 pm

        Saw it on a double date. That scene where she transformed in the bedroom was pure comedy!

  22. 42

    January 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Lakers lost on the road . . . at the Clippers.

  23. Monty'sDoghouse

    January 16, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Concerning the poll about the pod casts. I think the 30-40 minute pod casts are a little lengthy personally. I read almost every article posted here but I can’t say I’m ever really ready to sit down and spend 30-40 minutes listening to you guys. I think 10-20 minutes is about right, especially if they are getting done twice a week. I’m not bashing the pod casts at all. Just simply giving feedback on why I don’t listen to them. If there is a hotbutton topic for the week, I like hearing Ryan and Mike’s take on it in general. I just would rather not have to listen through 30 minutes of talking or fish around for it in the podcast.

    • AgentZiko

      January 16, 2011 at 9:23 pm

      Actually agree with Doghouse. They are kind of long. I try to listen at work, but to sit for 30 straight minutes is tough without getting caught, LoL.

      I was actually wondering if, since you guys have that little “commercial-less” break in it, if you guys could maybe split the show into 3, 10 minute segments and post all 3 under the same thread. That way, we can listen to one segment a day or something, and still have something to listen to the next few days, and not have to wait the next week to listen.

      Just a thought. Like Doghouse, not bashing the show. Just think it might get more listeners. And as for people looking to listen to a specific topic, they can maybe just go to that specific loop rather than listen to something they don’t have time for. Does that make sense?

      • 42

        January 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm

        Maybe a list of topics by time would satisfy all.

      • AgentZiko

        January 16, 2011 at 9:35 pm

        That be cool. I’d like that.

      • nikkoewan

        January 16, 2011 at 11:06 pm

        i just want to hear Ryan and Michael argue. They are like lil’ brothers fighting over a candy.

    • JCS

      January 16, 2011 at 10:06 pm

      I cosign with Doghouse & Ziko. As I stated earlier, I think it would be in your best interest to keep the show as uniform as possible. Other than that I think you two are doing an excellent job.

  24. AnaheimAmigos

    January 16, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Other than the Spurs, the West is wide open. The Lakers, Mavericks, and Thunder are pretty flawed right now. I really like the Hornets and Blazers as dark horses. If Bellinelli returns and Ariza keeps playing like he did this week, then they should play even with anyone in a seven-game series.

    An

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