'JCS' & 'Ziko' (from a previous discussion of "Odom Dominates as Lakers hand the Hornets rare Home loss") I feel what you mean about realistic trades ... but we question trades and why they happen all the time. The reality is if we really knew about trades months before they eventually happened we would say, many of times, "Why would that team want to do that trade?" Point is: we never know why they do what they do! What I do know is each player I included in those trades would fit with there new team. David West & Trevor Ariza would fit in Philadelphia Marco Belinelli would fit in New York Jason Smith would fit in Sacramento Emeka Okafor and Marcus Thornton would fit in Denver Willie Green would fit in Houston Quincy Pondexter would fit in Washington I agree, Jordan Hill and Courtney Lee are young, but they are also just 'Marginal' players; and they definitely are not untouchable. Houston would deal those two players, and Willie Green is actually more solid. McGee makes a lot of mistakes with John Wall and Kirk Hinrich, but would probably become more efficient with Chris Paul the same way Tyson Chandler did. This is partially why JaVale McGee is not untouchable, and being shopped as we ... type! I see your point about Marco Belinelli for Anthony Randolph, and how New York doesn't want to give Chris Paul a reason to stay. However, D'toni would absolutely love a player like Belinelli! I know you'll hate me for this, and I'll probably be on an Island for this next comment, but, I actually prefer J.R. Smith over Marcus Thornton ... yea I know ... to me he's just more explosive. Sorry yawl! Someone mentioned that Jason Thompson is being shopped for a PG, which is true. Nevertheless, he's being shopped! So, I made a pitch for him. One thing is for certain: The Hornets can no longer make Mediocre or 'Marginal' trades and expect to get better or 'ELITE'. 'JCS' I like Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon too, but they can't help us reach our lofty goals. You know that, because you and I have seen the Hornets do trade that way time-after-time, and we often criticized Jeff Bower for doing so. Dell Demps, for all the good things he has done so far cannot afford to make 'Bower-like' mistakes! Let's make some "Blockbuster Deals"! L_REAZY
Odom Dominates as Lakers hand the Hornets rare Home loss
After last night’s loss against San Antonio, some Hornets fans worried whether Kobe would come out with something to prove, but it wasn’t #24 who killed New Orleans tonight, it was their new 6th man- Mr. Khloe Kardashian himself. Lamar scored a game high 24 points in his first game of the season in which he came off the bench.
Phil Jackson gave Andrew Bynum the start, moving Pau Gasol back to power forward, and the length of those two really bothered the Hornets on both ends of the court. The Lakers started the game pounding the ball inside on offense and pushing the Hornets out of the paint when New Orleans had the ball. In the first 15 minutes, the Lakers had 22 points in the paint and that opened up their outside shooting. Before you knew it, the Lakers were up 59-41 at the half and the game was all but over at that point.
The Lakers finished the game shooting 58.6% from the field and were +20 in rebounding margin, as the Hornets finished with a season low 24 boards. The final score might have read 103-88, but the game wasn’t really that close. Once David West went down with an ankle injury in the second quarter, the Hornets were basically a one-man squad and the Lakers simply had too much size and skill. After watching this game, it is hard to fool yourself into thinking this team is one trade away from being a contender (or as some people believe, simply move MT5 to the starting lineup). The Lakers aren’t even close to running on all cylenders and they just beat the Hornets down like they were a pesky (much) younger brother.
Notes and Observations:
– David West left the court in the second quarter and spent the rest of the half in the locker room. He came back in the third and made a few jumpers, but he just wasn’t the same. Since the Hornets were out of it in the fourth, Monty sat West for the remainder of the game. Kevin Garnett went down with an injury today, so hopefully West can play. If not, we might get that Big Baby/J Smitty match-up we all want to see.
– Trevor Ariza: 1-2, 4 points, 4 fouls, 4 turnovers in 24 minutes. You know, Quincy Pondexter hasn’t been looking too bad.
– Good News: Marco Belinelli had 15 points against a good team. Bad news: He took 16 shots and was 1-6 from three, most of which were wide open. The guy just isn’t a starter on a good team. I met the guy a few times, I like him, I wish him the best, but he is a short or a long term answer for this team.
– Chris Paul was ready to go tonight, scoring 10 points in the first ten minutes and playing with great intensity. It is a joke that people put any blame on this guy- EVER. Kobe goes to the bench up 3 points, he returns and his team is up 18. When has CP3 ever had this luxury? He had a nice starting five in 07-08 that stayed relatively healthy and he led the team to 56 wins and only missed out on MVP because it was Kobe’s time after being robbed himself in the past.
Now Paul has one other guy who shows up night in and night out and a bunch of other guys who would have much lesser roles on elite teams. Okafor would be the Lakers 4th big, Marco wouldn’t see the court on Orlando, Ariza is an energy guy off the bench on a good team, Jason Smith wouldn’t get off the bench for any of the contenders out West- I can go on and on. 11-1 was nice and I am glad it happened, but we have to be real about the talent on this team.
– Matt Barnes is a punk. That’s it and that’s all.
– Coach Williams said he expects WIllie Green to play at some point this week, but the team is giving him his space. He has been helping his family through this tragedy and I hope that we can all show him love when he returns to the Hive.
Second ASG ballot returns are in. Keep voting for CP3. He's about the only Hornet that will make it based on fan voting. Vote, vote, vote! Daily! http://www.nba.com/2010/news/12/30/allstar-ballot-results-2/index.html
JCS, to respond to your questions, my view is that the difference between the Hornets at their best and the Hornets of this season is personnel. In particular, the impact that healthy Tyson Chandler had. I think Monty has done a solid job. I can pick some nits with him, but the team has more or less played to expectation. I was responding to your comment about a change in focus, or a return to the virtues of Byron Scott...again, for me, the limitations of the Hornets have everything to do with the roster. Their defensive rebounding percentage is second in the NBA, just behind Orlando and just ahead of Boston. I don't have time today to look at their rebounding rate against playoff teams only (feel free to do a closer game-by-game analysis!), but just giving a quick glance at boxscores, it's as you'd expect: they are less effective on the defensive glass against elite offensive rebounding teams such as the Lakers...but other than that, they don't appear to have any particular struggles rebounding against playoff teams. I don't follow your point about height*, but it is the case that the Hornets get defensive rebounds in somewhat unconventional ways, with, for example, Paul and Ariza masking some of West's relatively paltry boardwork for a 4. They're quite bad on the offensive glass. Which is a bummer, because their scoring efficiency is subpar. Again, the team has a number of problems but the biggest issues are on the offensive end of the floor. *Obviously height/length correlates to some extent with effective rebounding, but it's by no means the end-all.
'42' ... give it a chance! TRADE PROPOSAL ... OPERATION: BLOW IT UP DELL; PUT A GOOD PRODUCT OUT THERE. Trade: Jason Smith for Jason Thompson Marco Belinelli for Anthony Randolph Emeka Okafor & Marcus Thornton for J.R. Smith & Chris Andersen David West & Trevor Ariza for Andre Iguadola & Thaddeus Young Willie Green for Courtney Lee & Jordan Hill Keep Marcus Banks' expiring deal and Trade Exception for the offseason ***Every Trade Proposed Does Work Money-Wise*** NEW ROSTER: F- Jason Thompson (David West clone, but more physical & 4th option) F- Andre Igudola (Upgrade over Trevor & 3rd option) C- Javale McGee (Tyson Chandler Clone, Crescent City Connection 2.0) G- J.R. Smith (Go-To-Guy, should've never left, can be a 4th Quarter Closer) G- Chris Paul (Mr. Everything) F- Anthony Randolph (Upgrade over Jason Smith) F- Thaddeus Young (Exceptional Back-up, can play 3 or 4) C- Chris Andersen (Upgrade over current Andersen, should've never left) G- Courtney Lee (Similar game to J. R. Smith, 2nd unit does not lose a 'beat'!) G- Jarret Jack (CP3's friend ... Monty's "son" ... he is solid at times though) F- Jordan Hill (Insurance for Anthony Randolph and Jason Thompson) ***once again, the Hornets still have Marcus Banks' expiring contract and Trade Exception. Your Thoughts .... L_REAZY
Rebounding issues on this club are about personnel, not focus (just as the team's peak success had a lot more to do with healthy Tyson Chandler than Byron Scott). In any case, their defensive rebounding rate is actually among the best in the league. The team has more than one problem, but the biggest one is that they're not very efficient at turning possessions into points.
This team was at it's peak when Player-Coach Champion Byron Scott led the way. If the Hornets draw from that success (e.g. #2), plus capitalize on their talent (trades or no trades), then they will have much more success down the road.
'42' I think the key is to find scorers who Monty can mold into defenders. If Monty is capable of molding Belinelli into a better defender than he can mold anyone. If Chris Paul is considered to be our 'Closer' like Kobe, LeBron, D-Wade, Melo, and Kevin Durant-chula, then that's fine. However, is he a closer? Is that his role in the 4th quarter even as an outstanding playmaker? I say no! The Hornets have been trying for years to turn David West into that 'Closer' in the 4th Quarter, but he is not a closer ... just a very good scorer on most nights from Quarters 1-3. Similar to Michael Beasley and the T-Wolves. Their in every game, but can never close out the opposition in the 4th Quarter. They just need a 'Closer', and I've seen this for years as a resident of Minnesota. The Hornets need a 'Closer' to take the pressure off CP3. Obviously, the "Real Closers" that I mentioned are unavailable. So, Demps should try and find a player who could be a 'Closer'. For example, when Manu Ginobli came into the league we all thought he was just a fantastic player, but now we're realizing that he is a fantastic player and a 4th Quarter Closer. He was definitely under the radar in that regard. Just like that Western Conference T-Wolves team against the Lakers years ago, Sam Cassell was the team's 'surprise closer', and when he was unavailable for that series the T-Wolves had no Closer, and had to rely on Troy Hudson. It wasn't in Kevin Garnett's nature to be a Closer , and Latrell Sprewell was too streaky at times. Sam Cassell was money in the 4th Quarter that year for the 'Puppies'. Mr. Big Shot Chauncey Billups did it for the Pistons. So, (1) Scorer that has untapped defender qualities, (2) a 4th Quarter 'Closer', and what did I miss ... oh yea ... "Real Size"! 6-11 and UP! A couple of good, fundamentally sound Big Guys! Lastly, 2-lock down defenders on the perimeter. So, (1) Scorer that has untapped defender qualities (2) a 4th Quarter 'Closer' (3) Real Size in the Paint / fundamentally sound Big Guys (4) 2-lock down defenders on the perimeter I'll give the trade proposal some thought, and return with ideas. L_REAZY
A new year is approaching and I think it's time we make some changes: 1a. Trade Marco, Marcus, and Ariza. Dump Gray. 1b. Get Jamario Moon, and Anthony Parker from Cleveland, as well as Maurice Evans, and Josh Powell from Atlanta. 2. Put more focus on shooting inside the paint as well defensive rebounding. 3. Play to win every quarter, even it means setting up a play with 3 seconds on the clock and we're up by 6. Just do it.
No matter how many times you stir $h!T ... it'll never taste as good as chocolate!!!! It might look like chocolate eventually ... but it ain't and never will be chocolate. .....just a lil' something for you Hornets fans / chocolate lovers!!! L_REAZY
TRADE EVERYBODY ... EXCEPT CP3! BLOW IT UP .... AND THIS TIME GET REAL TALENT IN NEW ORLEANS OR WE WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE "LAS VEGAS HORNETS" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT! NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH THIS CRAP ON THE FLOOR ANYMORE. I FEEL BAD FOR CP3. WHO CAN REALLY CRITICIZE HIM FOR DEMANDING A TRADE? IT AIN'T LIKE LEBRON AND CARMELLO WHO ACTUALLY HAD/HAVE TALENT AROUND THEM IN CLEAVLAND AND DENVER. L_REAZY
This is a completely separate opinion from what everyone has talked about. I keep hearing that Marcus Thornton should be the guy starting in place of Marco Belinelli. I just don't see how that makes us better. I really like Marcus's energy off the bench. He can be our Jason Terry if he can learn to play defense. But I have a differing opinion as to who should start at the 2 for us, and I know it's a little out there. When we made the trade for Jarrett Jack, I was VERY confused as to why we traded for a STARTING PG, and were trying to give him 10-15 minutes a game. It just wasn't making sense to me. Jack is a STARTING PG in this league. I KNOW he is. Last night he played 14 minutes. This is a guy who was playing 30+ in Toronto and averging 10+ points a game. I honestly think HE should be the one to start. And here's why: 1. He's a veteran. 2. He's a ball handler who can take pressure off of CP. 3. He is more of a scoring PG anyway. 4. He would make us MUCH faster on the court. 5. Even though he's 6'3 like Marcus and Willie, he's the better defender of the 3 and can full court press guards with Paul. 6. He plays well NEXT to Paul (4th quarter vs. Atlanta) 7. Our starters are already small. Why not speed up the tempo and attack more? 8. When 1 subs out, the other plays primary PG. 9. It'll allow CP to look to score more. 10. It's a change. And probably the smartest one we can make. A lot of you are screaming start Thornton. I just don't see him as a starter. He fires away every chance he gets. When we were winning, it was because we played TEAM BALL. We need to keep the TEAM BALL mentality. The more I think about it, the more I think that if we are going to make an internal change, starting Jack would be the most ideal one we could make. No. He can't guard guys like Kobe Bryant. But NO ONE can. Instead, I'd think about it from the offensive end, and forcing Kobe to guard either Jack or Paul, 2 guys who will attack the heck out of you, and FORCE YOU to play defense. Chris Paul has been our most consistent 3 point shooter. Well, why not plug someone who can GET HIM THE BALL in position to shoot?
"Forget about last nightâ€™s game for a second. The Lakers are a championship calibur team, and the Hornets arenâ€™t. We all knew this team wouldnâ€™t contend this year." So what the Lakers are a championship team and the Hornets aren't. It doesn't mean they can't lose a game to the Hornets. The Hornets beat em last year and they still went on to win the championship. So we shouldn't EVER expect to beat these guys just because they are a championship team? Why should we even play them then? Should Monty just rest the starters whenever we play the Lakers because we have no chance of winning anyway? Let the bench guys get all of the burn? I hope the players don't have the thinking that the fans do. Thinking, Oh well, they are a championship team and we aren't so we can't beat them, let's just lay down for them. :? Just because the Hornets aren't going to 'contend' this year doesn't mean they don't need to win games like these.
Forget about last night's game for a second. The Lakers are a championship calibur team, and the Hornets aren't. We all knew this team wouldn't contend this year. We also all knew that the biggest weakness on this team would be on the glass, well that certainly reared its ugly head last night. Were the refs horrible last night, yes, but the refs didn't cause the Lakers to shoot almost 70% and out-rebound the Hornets by 2 touchdowns and a 2pt conversion in the 1st half. Here is what I want to know going forward, becasuse I think last night's defensive effort was a abboration: 1. Where do the Hornets rank in 3pt defense this season? 2. Where do the Hornets rank in 3pt attempts this season? ...and finally; 3. Where do the Hornets rank in 3pt % this season? My guess is that #s 1 and 3 are really low, and #2 is close to, if not just below, league average. I'm going to assume that, since Peja was traded, this team has gone in the toilet in 3pt percentage. If that's the case, I believe there are multiple factors are at play, 1. Chris Paul doesn't shoot enough 3's; he is the best 3pt shooter on this club currently. 2. Marcus Thornton's 3pt shot selection could use some improvement. 3. Marco and Ariza both need a hug; they are mired in a terrible slump. These combined factors make it extremely tough to run your offense, because you can't space the floor like you want to. Opposing teams just don't respect your ability to knock down shots, so you see West get triple-teamed in the 2nd half of games, and the offense grinds to a screeching halt. Defesively, the Hornets like to protect the paint at all costs (even though they didn't show it at all against the Lakers). That means they are willing to give up 3's, and they have since the beginning of December. You can see that teams are game-planning and scheming on how to get open shots from behind the arc. Check; your move, Monty.
Coach Monty Williams is getting more&more frustrated w/ Trevor Ariza. -subbin for him early last nite; Ariza noticeably showing frustration I think that Coach Williams is on empty w/ MT5. -MT5 all by himself on a 5-on-1 fastbreak pulled up for a 3 and missed badly. Coach Williams called a TO and ripped into MT5 ass. CP3 had to explain to MT5 what he did was wrong! DWEST had 4 pts before his late 2nd qtr injury!
Great insight on our team. I won't repeat the same things, but I will share last nights experience. So I tuned into league pass when we were down by 3 and Kobe took a break it was our bench that was in when we went down double digits. It was then that I realized that Willie Green is our bench, he works well with Jack and Smith. Thornton doesn't fit in on the bench, he should take the starting role in place of bellinelli, and Green should be in place of Ariza in the starting line up. Ariza and bellinelli are followers. Green, Jack and Thornton are leaders so we need to have our starters as leaders... Not followers. Have you guys ever noticed that at some points in the game everyone is looking around in a dumbfounded manner? Lol its Clipper- esk. We just need some changes in our rotation and line-ups. On a funny note: I was on NBA.com last night during the third quarter looking at their 60% off deals and I like the On-Court T-shirt. So when I thought about whose jersey I would spend money on, I thought Paul, but already had a Paul Jersey (2) to be exact. Then I thought of my other options and Based on the scroll down options my leaders on the web site was Peja haha (he is still on our team on Nba.com) and Mbenga (Congo Cash) and Thornton (leader) just thought is was funny
I'm disturbed by Ariza's ability in the open court. I assumed with his athleticism that he would be a good running mate with Paul to get some fast break points, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. Everytime we try to push the ball, if it happens to wind up in Ariza's hands, it's a turnover or a bricked layup. I think Pondexter might do better in this setting, because our fast break game is pitiful. With our size limitations down low, we could really use some easier buckets.
I'd be interested to at least explore the shakeup move of throwing some starts to Pondexter with Ariza coming off the bench. Now, despite a solid start to his rookie season, Pondexter is very limited at this point. But he's a low-mistake player who has shown signs of being able to stick open shots in the corner. With the starters in, we don't particularly need someone to create his own shot. Indeed, the most frustrating thing about Ariza is his tendency to force the issue and take away shots from our more efficient scorers. While not totally ideal, Paul-West-Okafor-Belli(or one of our many options at the 2) can be relatively effective offensively with a 3 who simply spreads the floor, follows shots, and shoots only when wide open. I'm imagining a similar role for QPon that MoPete had for the playoff teams. Ariza is of course a better player than Pondexter right now, but when Paul and West are in, there's an advantage to having a wing that doesn't take anything OFF the table on the offensive end. This may be damning with faint praise, but Pondexter offers less turnovers and less missed shots. He also might be a better fit with Paul, who seems most comfortable setting up wings for open outside jumpers...but we need to REDUCE the number of 3-point attempts for Ariza. Meanwhile, there are advantages to having Ariza with the second unit. There, Ariza's iffy drives aren't so bad, as we're not taking shots away from our best offensive players and in fact we often NEED someone to create something, anything, offensively. Meanwhile, his ability to force turnovers and run might lead to some easy transition buckets for a bench unit that is pretty ugly in the halfcourt. I'm not suggesting a drastic change in minutes (unless Pondexter earns it), but something of a shift that sees Pondexter getting more time with the starters and Ariza getting more time with the second unit. This is by no means a cure-all, but we're at a point in the season when mild shakeups are worth exploring. All of this assumes that Pondexter can be solid defensively against other teams' starters--don't think we have enough of a sample to know yet. The last thing I'll say is that it's easy to wonder whether Ariza is one of those players who's simply more effective coming off the bench as an energy guy. It certainly seems like he's much more effective when he plays less minutes--unless he had a weirdly early peak, it's jarring how much better his rebounding and scoring efficiency were in the three years prior to signing with Houston, back when he was playing 20-25 minutes a game. Of course, we don't have the roster to accommodate a reduction in minutes like that, but that should really be the long-term plan if he's going to stick around.
42 had it a little focused. All this badmouthing Paul and the guards is silly, boardering in nuts! The entire game was controlled up front and by size...not guards. Did you people watch the same game????? Monty looked like a deer in headlights. MBenga had no idea how to play the team that dumped him. And we had a large body 747 sitting on the bench in a sport coat. Just becuase he doesn't fit this knucklehead's idea of a fleetfooted center. Now he's lost almost a half season of real time game seasoning. S T U P I D. This team is out by the second round of the playoffs, if not the first.
I think the only good trade we can do right now is this: Gerald Wallace for ariza bellinelli and 2012 first round draft pick and dj augustin and Edgar jager for Jarrett Jack. Jarrett Jack has to be in a seperate trade because of restrictions. Right now I think igoudala and granger are untouchable. Wallace is a little overrated but has ariza's defense and better offense than both. We also have a backup point guard of the future. Charlotte is shopping dj and he would be a fan favorite(brother Martin). Also the only untouchableplayer on the bobcats is tyrus Thomas. Chis Paul/Thornton/Wallace/dwest/okafor dj Augustine/green/ pondexter/Jason/Anderson or mbenga. Automatic playoff contender.
I know Marcus is a home product, but get real everyone. He is inconsistent just like the rest of our roster. We need high quality guys that can create their own offense instead of relying on cp3. Every night I'm at the game chris is chewing everyone out for being out of position. We are 30 games in the season and we already have players like ariza airmailing it in. Trade cp3 and dwest? Children please get real. That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. You must not watch our team at all to suggest we ship our only chance of winning games away
Here it is dont be mad but lets make this trade CP3, D West, Ariza for Griffin D. Jordan Bledsoe and Aminu
It seemed to be this games was essentially a referendum on our bench generally and our bigs (starters and bench), and it yielded the expected results. So the news is . . . ? Am I missing something? It was nice that Marco stuck his head up above water for a bit; I wish Marcus would have. Ariza was a least hole without a great sucking sound coming from it. Okafor started well, then started playing like I expected. Here's to kicking Boston in the wop-wops while they are distracted!
i've always been an optimist. so seeing that i saw this team 8 wins above what you saw (48 - 50). two things that i think need to improve to get on track to 48 - 50.. a huge overhaul offensively, and a little tweak defensively. i'll talk more about it in a journal. im no coach, so it may sound stupid, but i will use numbers so there are things that might back me up on this..
At this point, he could trade Marco and Trevor for a broom, mop and 2 hand towels, and get more production. For every good game they have they have 5 BAD games. CP3 needs a hug after this game (smh..poor guy), I hope DWest ankle is okay (he tried), and Mek, well, he tried but not much he could do against the Lakers big. The rest of the players....you could stayed home tonight. Monty work on your rotations buddy, I beg you.
Well, good news, Ariza was 50% tonight. But he was one shot away from being 0% too. An injured Beantown (minus Rondo/Garnett?) as our last 2010 game. Hope we can get to being CONSISTENT next year, meaning beating most teams sub 500 and at least trying against winning teams. Watching the Clippers game. This Blake Griffin kid is fun to watch.
Gimmie a trade of Bellinelli & Ariza to Sacramento for Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, & Jermaine Taylor
alright we arent that good.... put ariza and belly together to get a 3... maybe ariza belly 2 first rounders for iggy cuz we need some offense just do... that means we cant trade thorton u just cant he was off again tonight but so was everyone but chris
Monty needs to think, Marco is short term. Marcus is the future star of this franchise! get it through your head monty Marco i nothing more than a backup
Well this was the first game that I attended. Big crowd. Bad loss. CP3 was trying so hard, yet no one around him seemed to be trying, and if they were they just could not do much right. I really hope he stays in New Orleans, and we can start winning some more games.
Not to mention the Hornets get treated like peons by officials. When was the last time the Hornets won a game officiated by Tim Donaghy's buddy Scott Foster?
I don't know what Monty's allegiance is to Marco. He acts like he trusts this guy more than he trusts his own d*mn wife. Marco is a shooting guard that can't shoot.
Odumb was playing park ball on the Hornets. Dribbling behind the back and throwing the ball off the backboard to himself to follow it up with a dunk. Are you kidding me? LMAO. I'm glad West was able to come back out. I hope it doesn't blow up on him when he takes that wrapping off tonight. Be ok West! Trevor had one really dumb foul where he hacked Artest right in front of the ref. As if he didn't want to play and hoped that dumb ass foul would get him sent to the bench. Also, as I said in the game thread, eff you Phil Jackson and the horse you rode in on.
This team can't beat anybody. I don't care if it was the Lakers or not. This was the most opportune time to play against them and it clearly didn't matter. We look considerably worse each game. However, Marco does need to come off the bench now. Our ceiling is higher with Thornton getting starter's minutes. Not saying he's God, but it would help to get him the opportunity at this point. Marco ain't doin jack. We need another big man. BAD. Javale McGee is being shopped by the Wizards. We need that type of Center for this team.
what's your take on Monty? Still support the dude. but i want to hear from people that know more than i do..