Pacers defeat Hornets on Last Second Tip

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Published: December 20, 2010

And you thought last night’s game was a tough one to swallow? The Hornets drop yet another game that they could have won, falling 94-93 to the Pacers.  Ex- Hornets James Posey and Darren Collison combined to score 33 points on 13 of 18 shooting while the player they received in that trade, Trevor Ariza, went 1-13 from the field. Sorry, I just threw up a little bit as I wrote that.

Posey hit a huge three-pointer with 16 seconds left to give Indiana a 92-91 lead, but David West came right back and drilled a jumper set up b CP3 with 3.9 seconds left to put New Orleans back up by one. That is where we get to the controversy. Danny Granger took a 21 footer that rattled around the rim before Mike Dunleavy tipped it in right before the buzzer. Was the ball still on the rim? All that matters is the refs said No… I will leave it up to all of you to say otherwise.

Biggest surprise of the night? CP3 with a 4:6 Assist to turnover ratio. I honestly can’t even justify it. Maybe he was pressing? Maybe he was tired from the night before? I don’t know. I doubt we will ever see that again, but we saw it tonight and it would have been concerning even if Dunleavy’s illegal tip did not happen.

On the plus side- Okafor played his best game since the first Miami game, on both sides of the court. He went off for 19 and 15 while only missing one shot and he held Roy   to 1 of 10 shooting. It seems like this is a good matchup for Okafor, as his firm base gives him an advantage over Hibbert, who just has no balance whatsoever.

That is about all I can say on the positive side for this game. It was an ugly first half for the Hornets who came out hot in the 3rd quarter before falling short at the buzzer. Again, I want to give my best wishes to Willie Green and his family and I know all the prayers of the Hornets247 nation are with them.

78 comments
paul
paul

Look, I love a good defensive team. Like Monty believe, or any great coach, defense leads to offense and winning. However, there is another basic rule in most team sports...team ability up the middle. In football, this is the center and line. In baseball, its pitcher, second base, shortstop center field. In basketball...its the CENTER! Without some real big center that can pass, open lanes, block out and rebound...you don't even have a chance. Oh, ya…you can win ball games, but you ain't going anywhere in the playoffs. A center in basketball is the team base...its CENTER. He allows for others to do their jobs. He really is the big ugly to the other's beauty. Monty has a different view. He wants a center that's more athletic and more moving. Monty has designed a team entirely around this defensive plan and the center fits THAT qualification. However, on the other end of the floor, the philosophy fails over and over again. IF other teams had the same approach, it might be OK. But they HAVE these big team grounding centers that kill our smaller, faster footed defensive skilled guys. Sorry, Monty...but the game is so much more than what you want it to be.

paul
paul

42... Isn't crap that we have a few players that are simply missing the total package. Oak should take some of Gray's weight and then he can block/screen better. Gray should pratice the footbal running back rope drill until his legs fall off and he can lift his knees quicker. MBenga...well, I just wish he'd practice tossing eggs up and catching them giving him the hands needed... and try picking up an orange from the table quickly without making orange juice.

paul
paul

well, I meant total package for their particular position. It's funny thinking about Paul at center, however. Paul is slightly short for me today. Like always, athletes become bigger and better through the years. Today, MY wish list PG is taller. I was just talking about the player of my dream at a specific position. Derric Rose is 6.3. Rajon Rondo 61. Chauncey Billups. 6.3 Tony Parker 6.2 Paul is 6.0. However, my kind of PG is taller. Dwyane Wade (6'4) Gilbert Arenas( 6'4) Lebron James (6'8) And Magic was 6.9. Andre Miller is 6.2. Crawford is 6.5. Yes, I was agreeing with you.

42
42

I think you are agreeing with me and adding other area of improvement, except for the weight comment. His build isn't going to change much this season. Adding points on offense to offset some of what he gives up on defense is perfectly accecptable. As you say: total package. No single player has it all. Chris would be a backup center at best....

42
42

Okafor needs work on the sceens he sets and the inexpliable turnovers.

Davey
Davey

"So apparently we need more consistency from Chris Paul too then. Just against Utah some were saying this is the fastest he’s looked in a while. I guess that was a fluke and we’re now back to slow, broke down Paul." Ms. Bee, I'm not sure who was saying his Utah game was the fastest he's looked in a while, but that's not the game I saw. He did a very solid job of managing the game and he took advantage when Utah came out flat, but he wasn't (by his standards) particularly explosive. Chris Paul did not play well against Indiana. It was his worst game this season, but the simplest explanation is, as I mentioned: second night of a back to back, just one of those games. No need to extrapolate beyond that, but to your broader point: Taking this season as a whole--other than flashes, Paul has been neither as fast nor as dominant as he was in his peak years, but he's been the best point guard in the game nonetheless. His improved shooting and craftiness have mostly made up for the decrease in force-the-issue driving and playmaking that make him so unique at his best. The Hornets are basically a mediocre team with one super-elite player, so the boring truth is the Hornets success at the margin this season will largely come down to just HOW elite Paul is.

QueenBee
QueenBee

OT:How in the heck did the Lakers lose to the Bucks without Brandon Jennings? I guess it can happen to any team right?

42
42

I guess whichever Hornet we are mad at (Ariza still?) sucks so bad he can screw up the Lakers.

42
42

These tight ones are packed with learning potential. We need to hope the boys have learned from the pain. It's easy to act like no small change in your own play could have turned the tide when you get blown out, but two losses that essentially went down the wire no fewer than 3 times (think about it) has to force any player worth his salt to reflect. One turnover, one bad shot, one blow assignment, one free throw, etc. Yeah, this road trip was a disaster compared to what it should have been. We better learn from this. It's easy to point at the flaw du jour as something that needs to be fixed or eliminated, but the truth is the issue is many small things that need to be worked out. We've made quite a few moves, but in truth there are only so many moves that can be made. I'd appreciate it if the players on here could discuss their experience with respect to this claim.

Mark
Mark

I honestly haven't kept up with watching individual games, but we could have line-up issues, primarily when and how we allocate minutes. I'm fine with the starting line-up, but we need Thornton at almost all times the secondary unit comes in (like a Ginobili/Terry "sixth" man, aka playing 30+ minutes). Ariza needs to be limited to maybe 6 in every quarter, effectively limiting him to ~27 minutes, Mek needs to play around 32 minutes (vs. ~30). Cookies needs to be on only when CP is (he stretches the D, but is ineffective without a distributor), Gray/Smith needs some minutes end of 1st and 3rd quarter, and I wouldn't mind Q-Pon stealing some minutes here and there.

QueenBee
QueenBee

"but we could have line-up issues, primarily when and how we allocate minutes." Oh there's no secret that this has been a huge problem as well.

QueenBee
QueenBee

I was hoping that not only would they come out and play hard for themselves but at least play hard and try to get the win for Willie. But no. I'm seriously thinking about not watching the Hornets anymore in 2010. LOL. I need to end my year on a more happier note.

hornetsss
hornetsss

belinelli or ariza needs to go, get rip hamilton for belinelli or gerald wallace for ariza i don't care how they do it, just get it done. ariza is better than hes been playing but the hornets style of play is terrible it only compliments west and paul as for belinelli this is as good as hes gonna get.

matt
matt

I think you guys need to talk about Ariza's lack of production and flesh it out some more. I think he should be our top trade chip and I think we should trade him as soon as possible. He provides no spacing, and while his defense is good, I don't think it makes up for his horrendous offensive performances. He is a 6th man, and he should never be a starter.

QueenBee
QueenBee

Ariza has been soooo disappointing. I think the best thing he did all season was to hit that 3 in the Miami game to pretty much seal the deal. This guy should NOT being doing more than this on offense. If he's not being spotted up for the occasional 3 pointer or a slash to the rim, he shouldn't be involved on offense at all. I forgot which game it was but it was in the past 2 or 3 games I had to laugh at Ariza. He tried to do this turn around shake jumper thing with a defender on him as if he was Kobe Bryant or something. Of course you know he bricked the hell out of the shot right? And here he wanted CP3 to make him an All-Star. Child please. LOL.

bgalella
bgalella

These are the type of games that prevent teams from making the playoffs, just a horrible loss

bgalella
bgalella

These are the games that prevent teams from making the playoffs.

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

Honestly, I think that this team had a down night because of the atmosphere surrounding them. This is a really good group of guys who are all supportive of each other. I think Willie Green's loss stuck to all of them. I bet you that all night long they were distracted thinking that it could have been ANY of their family members that it happened to. Ariza was there in LA when Lamar Odom lost his baby, and it just so happened that Ariza was JUST aboud to have his first child. And you could see the stress and fear it brought him then. These guys live such priviledged lives. They play BASKETBALL for a living. I think sometimes the delicacy of life gets past them in their lifestyles. So when something like this happens, it doesn't just hit the individual it happens to. It sends a shockwave to the whole team. I think Willie's loss hit home for to whole team. And I am VERY sorry to Willie and his family and send my thoughts and prayers to them. I hope that when he returns, this is something that brings this group closer together. Not upset, nor surprised by the loss. Saw it coming when I heard of Willies situation. I figured there would be distraction, pain, suffering. Thats the sign of a TEAM.

QueenBee
QueenBee

That is definitely a sad, sad situation. You know those guys get close to each other. I'm sure he was on their minds. He was on my mind so I'm pretty sure he was on theirs as well.

Thornton's Thunder
Thornton's Thunder

First and foremost, I know I speak on behalf of al of us when I say that our thoughts and prayers go out to Willie Green and his entire family through this most difficult time. As hornets season ticket holders, we had the pleasure of attending the game in Indy. We were loud (I believe louder than the entire arena). But what a disappointing loss! Are the stats correct, did we actually have a foul to give at the end of the game. Could we have actually committed that foul and taken time off the clock, thus giving Indiana even less time to shoot? I don't understand... It happens and we move on! Speaking of moving on, we look forward to joining some REAL fans in the hive on Wednesday night. Geaux Hornets!

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

Ya'll were on CST at the end of the game with very disappointed/pissed off faces!

QueenBee
QueenBee

About the foul to give, Monty had this to say about it. “We talked about a foul to give and when Danny Granger gets the ball in the shooting positions, that’s not something you want to do"... http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/122010_pgq_NOHIND.html There looked to be quite a few Hornets fans in attendance. I always hope the Hornets can pull out the win for their fans in enemy territory. Sorry they didn't get it for you last night. :(

Davey
Davey

One small positive note in a depressing game was Thornton's willingness to drive and kick. He's always going to be a gunner and his ability to be a reasonably efficient scorer at high volumes is his best feature, but he will develop into a more effective player if he can mix in a few assists. Promising that he was able to find ways to contribute in this game even when his shot wasn't falling. This was the slowest-looking I've ever seen Paul in a game. He veered between sloppy and invisible. Lead feet on both offense and defense. Hopefully it was just one of those games (and it was the second night of a back to back of course)...but when he's not elite, we're a mediocre team at best. Indeed, that's what this game felt like: two mediocre teams slugging it out.

QueenBee
QueenBee

"This was the slowest-looking I’ve ever seen Paul in a game. He veered between sloppy and invisible. Lead feet on both offense and defense. Hopefully it was just one of those games (and it was the second night of a back to back of course)…" So apparently we need more consistency from Chris Paul too then. Just against Utah some were saying this is the fastest he's looked in a while. I guess that was a fluke and we're now back to slow, broke down Paul.

Brazilian Hornet
Brazilian Hornet

What to speak of a SG (holder) who throws four free throws in a game and misses everyone? Yes, friends. Again, the lack of talent by Marco Belinelli in yielding just one more defeat. If this bastard to hit even half of the four missed free throws, we would have won the game. As Chris Paul doesn't want to play the Hornets, I just trade it along with the bad Belinelli and the Okafor' absurd contract for a good SG and good C. Staying losing to Pistons and Pacers is very ashamed. And remember that a month ago, our campaign was 11-1. Can you believe it?

QueenBee
QueenBee

Both Pistons and Pacers have beaten some pretty good teams this season. Nothing to do with Chris paul not wanting to play for the Hornets. When the Hornets win, nobody pulls the "chris paul doesn't want to play for the Hornets" out of their asses.

QueenBee
QueenBee

Maybe Belinelli and Ariza don't want to play with the Hornets since they suck on a regular d*mn nightly basis.

Brazilian Hornet
Brazilian Hornet

Oh, and Ariza with the ball in the hands of the players is a most terrible of all the NBA. His inability to get points also harms us. Because Dell Demps loves conduct trades, he could think about the next steps. For me, Belinelli and Ariza are totally expendable.

f.g. di bene
f.g. di bene

beli, the only one who made a solid performance. sell him as soon as possible.

NOEngineer
NOEngineer

The only player that can be proud of this game is Okafor. West, Ariza, and Paul shot horribly from the field, CP3 and Jack played sloppy and loose, Belly missed everything from the line, and the reserves were mediocre at best. It sucks to lose because the only Hornet around the basket at that last shot was the point guard. I think the refs blew the call as well, but it was damn close. Ariza cannot be allowed to touch the ball in the last 8 seconds of the shot clock. Hopefully the Hornets' run of bad luck will equalize soon.....

QueenBee
QueenBee

Also, the Hornets need to learn how to shoot free throws. What's the sense in getting to the line if you miss a slew of free throws? Yeah, the opposing player being called for a foul may make him play defense a bit differently but no sense in even getting to the ft line if you can't make free throws. The Hornets have been leaving too many points at the line lately. Players you don't even expect to miss ft's are missing them. If Marco had made even half of his tonight the Hornets would have most likely won. Even if it would have been by 1 or 2 points, they would have won. Marco missed all 4 of his free throws. Child please.

f.g. di bene
f.g. di bene

maybe if marcus made even one more of his forced shots tonight the Hornets would have most likely won.

Hornetsky
Hornetsky

Paul is leading the league in FT%. Maybe he can organize a free throw shooting clinic in practice.LOL

QueenBee
QueenBee

Yeah, maybe he should. But if they miss their free throws, it'll end up being Chris Paul's fault. SMH.

lance
lance

My dream trade is Gerald Wallace, and Tyrus Thomas for Marco, and Ariza. We throw them 6mil worth of Peja's trade exception, and they get to slice money from their books. We would run with a rotation of CP/Jack Thornton/Willie Gerald/Qpon Dwest/JSmith Oak/TThomas Why can't we has that? Can we please has that?

AgentZiko
AgentZiko

Tyrus Thomas is reportedly the only UNTOUCHABLE on the Bobcats roster, believe it or not. And why would the Bobcats do that trade? It doesn't help them.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

oh and taken from Yahoo! sports http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Court-Report-Week-9-Dashboard-Part-II?urn=fantasy-298012 "• Marcus Thornton(notes), SG, NO (32% owned) The rationale given by first-year coach Monty Williams for keeping Thornton buried in the depth chart and glued to the bench just won’t fly anymore. Unless he has some sort of vendetta and grudge against him that we don’t know about, there isn’t a single (good) reason not to give Thornton the lion’s share of the minutes at the 2. Not only is he unquestionably the greater talent and more important to the team’s long term plans, but he has outperformed Belinelli by a comfortable margin this season. You can talk all you want about Thornton’s defensive shortcomings, but he leads the team in unadjusted defensive rating (-8.19 net) amongst players with at least 200 minutes. The Hornets allow 0.94 points per possession (PPP) when he’s on the court and 1.02 PPP when he’s off. Belinelli on the other hand comes in dead last with an adjusted defensive rating of +9.37 net. The Hornets allow 1.05 PPP with him on the court, and just 0.95 PPP when he's off. Add on Thornton’s well-known offensive exploits (only player on this roster who has the potential to score 20 points in a given quarter), and you get the picture. Thornton dropped 19 points off the bench in 24 minutes of action in two of his last three games, and although there are no real guarantees given Williams’ erratic usage of Thornton (just 12 minutes in Sunday’s overtime loss), he is well worth the shot. Consider him both a must- and speculative add at this point … a musculative add, if you will."

Mark
Mark

"...but he leads the team in unadjusted defensive rating (-8.19 net) amongst players with at least 200 minutes" To be honest, I'm surprised he's even played 200 minutes under Monty.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

I don't see it as all doom and gloom. For one, we were in this game til the end despite off shooting performances from Ariza/Paul/Thornton. This is the type of game we would have lost by 20-25 points a week and a half ago. To me, we really had to try hard to screw both of these games up at the end and we managed to find a way to do it. Trevor needs to play within himself and he will be worth the money we gave him. I don't know why he thinks he developed a fall away mid-range jumper in the off-season. It's simple. Stop hesitating, take your open threes, live with the results. If you are willing to go 1-13 from the field on any given night, you have to have the dang nuts to take a wide-open three ball. I don't know any player in the NBA that shoots a higher percentage after he hesitates when he's wide open.

DownUnder
DownUnder

Despite his cold shooting Marcus Thornton had another great game. 11!!! rebounds in 21 minutes, 6 offensive thats hustle my friends and he had some tough shots that helped others like the put-back dunk by J Smith which could only happen because Buckets drew away 3 players under the basket. This boy can play!

42
42

Yup, great game. I applaud Monty for challenging him. I question the timing of his return, but it's water under the bridge. Marcus is a better player than a year ago and will continue to get better. He could be scary good next year.

QueenBee
QueenBee

Why are you guys fussing about Ariza? It was Chris Paul's fault that the Hornets lost right? Isn't it always his fault? And Dunleavy's tip was not legal. How much you guys wanna bet that coming up in the near future, the Hornets will be in the same situation, a Hornet will tap the ball on a rim and will be called for offensive basket interference? Watch what I tell you.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

Well, now that you mention it (albeit very sarcastically), Chris got outplayed tonight. He looks disinterested at times and I can't believe he didn't get fired up to play DC. Oh, one last thing. That whole, "I'm gonna wait until someone comes and picks me up, even if I'm 25 feet away from the team" thing is ridiculous and annoying to watch.

DownUnder
DownUnder

Ariza just stands out the most but your right even if you are being a little sarcastic, Chris Paul played a part in this, as did Marco, D-West. All under performing in paarts of this game. And its also Posey's fault he had no right to make all those shots 2-3 of them at the end of a shot clock lol.

QueenBee
QueenBee

Yeah, CP's not the reason we win anymore. He's only the reason we lose.

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