Game On: Hornets @ Pacers

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Published: December 20, 2010

On the NBA schedule, this game simply reads as Hornets @ Pacers, but nearly every Hornet fan will be watching the battle between point guards Darren Collison and Chris Paul. To get some insight as to how DC has faired in his first season in Indiana, along with tidbits on Posey, and other insights on tonight’s opponent, I caught up with Tom Donahue of 8 Points, 9 Seconds.

Hornets 24/7: The Pacers seem thrilled to have nabbed their PG of the future this summer, yet in several games TJ Ford has been on the court in crunch time instead of Darren Collison. What has Jim O’Brian said about that and how do fans feel on the subject?

Tim Donahue: O’Brien has mentioned that Collison is only a second-year player and needs to grow into the position. He is struggling with O’Brien’s offensive system, but the bigger problems have been at the defensive end, where Ford has been clearly superior — if you can believe that.

Many fans are displeased with this development, as they feel it impedes Collison’s development. There has not been a happy history for point guards here under Jim O’Brien, and the fan base is clearly siding with Collison here.

24/7: James Posey was thought of as a throw in or a salary dump, yet he has been a key part of Indiana’s rotation. What are the feelings about Posey in Indiana?

Tim Donahue: The feelings have been mixed. He has earned praise for his defense and veteran play, but most fans view him as taking playing time away from Josh McRoberts and, especially, Tyler Hansbrough. He’s played all but about 15 minutes this at the four position and that feeds into a pre-existing prejudice against “stretch 4’s” that dates back to when Troy Murphy was here.

Overall, he has helped the defense but hurt the offense (aside from a few quarters during which he got hot from behind the arc). He’s been a good presence, but with the 2-6 start to December, he has become a target for criticism – less because of him personally and more because of the history with O’Brien and “power” forwards here in recent years.

24/7: Dahntay Jones was signed to a reasonable contract last year, and he was supposed to be a defensive stopper and key rotation piece, yet he has only gotten 56 minutes of playing time this entire season. What has happened?

Tim Donahue: Well, the defensive stopper thing was oversold – I don’t know any real defensive stopper you can get for less than $3 mil per annum – but mostly the problem is that there are three wings (Danny Granger, Brandon Rush and Mike Dunleavy) who are clearly better than him. Throw in a first-round pick (Paul George) who needs to get at least spot minutes to begin his NBA development, and there just isn’t much time leftover.

Dahntay is an OK defender, but he kills the offense. The shorthand answer around here is that he doesn’t “space the floor,” which means he doesn’t shoot threes. That’s part of it, but the bigger problem is that he’s just an inveterate ball stopper whose only offensive skill is his willingness to attack the paint like a bull in China shop — and get similar results. The Pacers offense is predicated on motion and ball movement, and Dahntay is anathema to both.

24/7: Tyler Hansbrough was a lottery pick by Larry Bird while Josh McRoberts was a 2nd round pick, thought to be a journeyman by most, yet McRoberts is starting at power forward and providing a spark for that team. Is it possible McRoberts, not Hansbrough, is the future at power forward for the Pacers?

Tim Donahue: No. Well, maybe not a definite no, but it’s really, really unlikely that McRoberts is the future at power forward. He is a good athlete and does some things relatively well, but he’s a limited player. And it’s beginning to show more and more. The big area of concern at the moment is rebounding, something he has never been all that great at.

It’s an open question as to where Tyler fits. He does some good things, and I think he’s more likely to be a bigger part of the future than McRoberts. But I’m not sure he’s ever going to be a big-time starter. The future of the power forward position is a great big question mark for the Pacers right now.

24/7: You are the Pacers GM and the Hornets are on the phone. We already made one deal this summer, make me another offer that benefits both teams.

Tim Donahue: We give you Conseco Fieldhouse to play in. We get Chris Paul. We’ll even deliver.

Other News and Notes:

– You realize how unimportant the game of basketball is on days like today, on days when tragedy strikes. Willie Green’s sister and cousin were killed in a car accident after last night’s game, driving home after watching Willie play. Horrible tragedy and I wish Willie all the best. Tragic.

– Can’t really say anything to follow that. Does anybody want to organize some kind of Best Wishes card for Willie? Post a journal on the site and we will all sign the comments section and get it to him- something like that? Or if anybody else has an idea, go for it. It would be a great way to come together as a community for a good guy who is going through hell.

91 comments
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How big was that seemingly hogwash 24 second violation early on when Marco scored by putting back his own miss off the rim?

NOLABanks96
NOLABanks96

trade ariza quickly please. Options: Gwallce - Ariza & Green / Wallace & Derrick Brown Rip - Ariza & Green / Rip & Tmac or Summers or Terrico Iggy - Ariza, Bellinelli & Banks / Iggy (Deadline Deal) Dorrell Wright - Ariza & Smith / D Wright & B Wright Dalembert / Thompson - Ariza, Green, Smith / Dalembert or Thompson, D Greene, J Taylor

QueenBee
QueenBee

So what were the officials pretending to be reviewing at the end?

Hornet Seantonio
Hornet Seantonio

my guess is that goal tending and offensive interference cant be reviewed. chances are they were just seeing if he offensively interfered in time to beat the clock which he clearly did

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I think you are exactly right on what they were reviewing. The radio said they thought it had just fallen off the rim when it was hit, but it was close. I didn't see it.

Go Blue
Go Blue

Just "wow" at that game. Cp3 had 4 ast!! and 6turnovers, really? If it wasn't for Meka, we would had lost badly. I guess it could had been worse, the Pacers made 11 3pters (almost 50%), and we shoot 4 of 15 from 3. Sigh. Next practice, learn to box out or go for a rebound at the end of the game. Geez. Trevor either has a great game, or a horrible (should be kicked out the NBA) game, 1 of 13, give me a break. I guess he did atleast get 9 rebounds....whatever..

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Yeah, Chris was not on.

DownUnder
DownUnder

I really like Meka but there is instances that you wish you had TC back. Im reminded of that the most when I see Meka go for a two handed dunk and a guard fouls him slightly on the arm and he completely misses it. Then goes to a line to make it one point play where with TC it could have been at least 2 with a alot better chance of a 3 point play. It happened twice tonight that I thought that and well, that could have been the difference.

QueenBee
QueenBee

I know the Pacers beat the Lakers a little while ago, but they shouldn't have won this d*mn game. Not like that. I hope each and everyone of those refs tires blow out in their cars tonight. No injuries, just blow the eff out.

Hornetsky
Hornetsky

Still scratchin my head. Rest of my day is ruined. Oh well try to move on to the next game. ARRGH!!!

JCS
JCS

Face. In. Palm. 2.0

peronas
peronas

I really hate being a pessimist but all the optimism this team inspired and built up at the beginning of the season has all eroded for me. As of late I'd be hard to put any confidence into saying the Hornets were favorites over any of the teams in the league. Something needs to jolt this team quick or I fear they'll be on the wrong side of .500 by the new year.

jib
jib

ariza 3 of his last 24 in these 2 games. Start q-pon, play marcus and willie more, hell do something but I'm tired of him. He is far worse than in Houston, hell Posey, not even tonight's Posey, seems more appealing than ariza

QueenBee
QueenBee

"hell Posey, not even tonight’s Posey, seems more appealing than ariza" Wow. And we all know Posey would NOT be doing what he did tonight if he were still a Hornet. We were all too ready to get rid of his arse. He'd still be doing this.... Just go ahead and scroll to the 1:55 mark. http://www.nba.com/games/20100303/MEMNOH/gameinfo.html# Between him and Ariza, right now it seems we've gone from the frying pan to the skillet. LOL.

jib
jib

@Queenbee- lmao I may have exaggerated a bittttt much. I forgot about all the terrible Posey plays like that, a season like this will do that to a person. But my point being I would take almost anyone over Ariza right now.

Foerever504
Foerever504

amd didnt we have a foul to give

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We had a foul to give. That fact is painful. I'm not sure when the coaches wouldn't have drilled that in time out: foul before the act of shooting.

DownUnder
DownUnder

But the last thing you wanna do is try to foul a guy like Granger who can turn it into a shot and then there is free throws to be had after bailing out a bad situation. I think a foul to give is best used with around four seconds left so there not looking to shoot. Make the last shot harder and less set up. I might be wrong and if so Monty ain't a good coach

jib
jib

if thats true there will be a dent in my wall tonight:P

jib
jib

*Speechless* We should have a spin off of Monday Night Football's "C'mon Man" for Monty Williams' coaching right now.

ur_gmas_daughter
ur_gmas_daughter

Aren't these the games this team are supposed to win? Low scoring affairs? Especially against teams that we are OBVIOUSLY better than? This team shows flashes of a brilliance of a solid overall team and then they lose back-to-back games against teams like the Pistons & Pacers...never know what teams gonna show up

MaxALM
MaxALM

i hate this team. how do you go 0-2 on this EASY stretch of games? screw this team.

Hornetsky
Hornetsky

Monty is now certified as a ROOKIE COACH. I dont think he's an X's and O's kind of coach. Losing two freakin close games in as many nights is just a coach fault. He needs to re-evaluate his players. Some of them are playing poorly but he keeps playing them. So sad.

Cpthree4mvp
Cpthree4mvp

idc what Demps has to do Ariza has to go ASAP ... he provides this team with nothing he cant shot period! ..has no control when he drives in the lane an plays defense about every fifth game. Theres no reason for your startting 2 to go 1-12 from the field ..WTF

Cpthree4mvp
Cpthree4mvp

srry this might sound like a dumb ? but im new to this whole commenting thing what does your comment is awaiting moderation mean bc i think i followed all the guidelines of what i can or cant say

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You have to have one comment approved before they automatically show up. No issues. Welcome.

thekeymaster
thekeymaster

how the hell does ariza justify taking the second most shots in this game? wow that 7.5% FG is just pathetic they need to leave his ass in indiana and not let him back into the state of louisiana.

thekeymaster
thekeymaster

also if they're paying him 6.5 mill they should make him be a ball boy when he's not playing, carry the teams luggage, clean the practice facilities, be the team mascot, sell peanuts and beer and just anything else besides basketball so that way the hornets at least get something for the 6.5 mill. hell if peja was still around ariza wouldn't even be fit to carry around a peja head.

jib
jib

Is it offensive interference? maybe so. But facts are facts the ball did leave the inside part of the cylinder and not one hornet jumped at it. You always have to finish these final plays, ask OKC about their elimination from last years playoffs. Still idk what to say it's been a terrible two nights that is for sure.

DownUnder
DownUnder

Was anyone confident that we were going to get a stop at all in those last 30 seconds?

Hornets188
Hornets188

yeah.. the Pacers got lucky, Dunleavy is so good, I can't believe how good he is.

Hornetsky
Hornetsky

No Sh*t. Our defense overall sucks. But we did'nt deserve to lose this game.

Hornets188
Hornets188

I wouldn't be confident even if the Pacers or any other team had the ball with 1 second left and had to go the full length of the floor

peronas
peronas

I don't even know what to say about that, ball still seemed to be on the rim to me.

QueenBee
QueenBee

It was on the rim. I don't care what anyone says, the Hornets were cheated out of this one. F Stern and his imcompetent ass officials. If that were the Hornets they wouldn't have given that to them. They would have called ball still on the rim.

CP3nBrees
CP3nBrees

Fu*king refs... Didnt they know that was an offensive interference?

Hornets188
Hornets188

can the Hornets win on the road? No. You cannot lose to the Pistons and Pacers back-to-back... how sad

Hornetsky
Hornetsky

This one is a heartbreaker. "Thank you Trevor Ariza. Well done." - Pacers

peronas
peronas

Wouldn't be surprised if he's over there high-fiving them post game. Why Monty didn't shorten the leash on him amazes me, what bit he contributed on the boards was entirely negated by his shot selection and ho-hum defense. Terrible shots are just as bad as turnovers.

Hornet Seantonio
Hornet Seantonio

OFFENSIVE INTERFERENCE YOU MUTHER FU**ERS!!!!!!!!!!

thekeymaster
thekeymaster

ya i don't really see how that wasn't but then again cp3 didn't even try boxing dunleavy out. way to waste a great clutch performance by dwest

jib
jib

I speak for everybody when I say f**k this

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