Hornets Offense Misses Team Flight as Sixers Cruise to Victory

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Published: December 12, 2010

New Orleans started off the game by going 5 for 21 in the first quarter and conventional wisdom said that there was no place to go but up. Conventional wisdom was wrong. After an embarressing first quarter, the Hornets topped themselves by going 1 for 21 in the second quarter. They finished the first half with just 23 points and the second half wasn’t much better despite what the box score says.

I know most observers will say that the result was do to a lack of effort, but I just don’t buy that. The effort was there, especially in the second half when they were fighting hard to avoid being utterly humiliated. The poor production on the offensive end was a result of an off day combined with the Hornets not playing intelligently and them pressing because of their slow start. Of course they weren’t playing with playoff type intensity or even the intensity they showed in the first 10 games, but effort wouldn’t get the largest piece in the responsibility pie.

Defensively the team was solid most of the time and made their rotations for the most part, but you aren’t going to beat anybody when you only score 70 points. The frustrating part was that even after the Hornets got stops, they seemed content to just walk the ball up the court and play half court basketball rather than try to get some easy points in transition. Beyond that, there did not seem to be any desire to try to get to the free throw line until late in the second quarter, when they were already down 19 points. In fact, in the first seventeen and a half minutes, the Hornets only drew one shooting foul.

Days like this will happen, especially when a team plays a Sunday game at 11 AM local time, but you just wish it would happen against teams they would lose to in most cases anyway. If this happened at Boston or Orlando, for instance, you just take the loss and move on. But this happened at Philadelphia against a team that a Western Conference playoff bound team should win 8 out of 10 times.

No need to address this game any further, I would rather hear from all of you. Besides I have got to save this venom for my podcast with Ryan tonight.

What you got Hornets nation?

124 comments
ado
ado

peja is still better than ariza and belinelli combined, just because on most nights he had to defend guys like james, anthony, pierce, durnat, jefferson and other superstars at the small forward position, whom no one else is stopping anyways "he cant defend" you gotta be kidding me. most of you don't know what you're talking about.

ado
ado

wow great comeback guys, so two scrubs are better than a three time all star... do you really want me to talk stats? one healthy season with a mediocre team gave the hornets franchise record for wins. enjoy your roller coaster hornet fans. you're clearly in denial.

42
42

That was sarcasm. Sorry to hurt your brain on that. I hope to be worthy of you dispensing your genious at some point.

42
42

Pops is better than Peja and Posey. It's easy to say, even with the alliteration. Where's the proof? Well, I have none. What about you?

Joe P
Joe P

Yeah well, Hilton Armstrong is better than Alonzo Mourning and Ty Chandler combined! ...I dunno...

ollie
ollie

WHAT IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF guys the hornets are a team and their fans should have a similar bond supporting that team. WE ARE THE HORNETS and we are playing OTHER TEAMS. Why is it MARCO vs MARCUS. I understand we are in tough times on court and off court, but our 2 guard positions production is alright. The more pressing issue is the 3 and the 5. At the 5 meks would be a very handy backup but we need someone with balls to take it inside and make opposing centres their bitch, Like the terrorist in Team America, I too like balls but only on a 5 man in the post. At the 3, trev shuts down players beautifully every 5 games or so, but hes a horrid shooter, even worse on the dribble who takes it to the rim and seemingly throws up a prayer with what seems to be the wrong hand and seems to get fouled (then I rewind the footage to find that the shot he put up the hit the top of the board from 3 ft was not a foul or a block) he also throws the ball away too often (not even just on inbound passes) and he cant shoot free throws for shit. I almost wish we had gotten battier instead of him now. Yes at the 2 Id like to see MT get some more time, and he has shown glimpses but he needs to TAKE the starting role. Marco doesnt rebound I know, but hes a 2 guard so does it really matter that much? He does defend, doesnt throw the ball away, can create a bit and is an above average shooter. If Marco was 3 inches taller hed be a sick 3 for us but atm hes fine at the 2. Calling for marcos head to benefit marcus is irrational atm, and Id love to see Marcus TAKE THE START. but the fact is the argument for Marcus to take over Beli isnt warranted, we are still 16-9 and dont need to take a solid contribute to the sharks in an effort to get some offense. How about we start running to try get easy buckets??? CP pushing the ball with athletic trev, shooters in marco and dw and a fairly athletic centre in Meka. But guys, slandering each other about Marco and Marcus is just dumb, there are great points either way for either but none strong enough to put your undying faith in either

enod01
enod01

HEY MONTY, NOTHING IS WORKING RIGHT NOW. MIX IT UP AND TRY PLAYING MARCUS THORNTON FOR AT LEAST 20 MPG FOR JUST 3 GAMES IN A ROW. HIS PERFORMANCE LAST SEASON ALONE SHOULD JUSTIFY THIS LITTLE EXPERIMENT.

Hornet Seantonio
Hornet Seantonio

I find watching the hornets goes best with a bottle of jack and a six of coke, but in the end of the day we just have to be positive we dominated with roster early in the season so theres no reason we cant continue it, just gotta find our groove. the d is there we just need to step it up on offense, thats all on dwest, belinelli and chris paul. Okafor and ariza have 1 job and thats defense, they arent offense players never have been and shouldnt be judge or relied upon as such.

42
42

I read all of this. Many people think there is an answer. Some say Marcus, some say Chris taking to the rim. There is no answer. No single thing is going to fix `what's wrong'. This is a team game and the team isn't playing well. Trading bench players for other bench players seems like it would affect the bench, but it's not like our bench as gotten more worse than the starters since the trade. The more you focus on your pet peeve, the less you are going to learn about the team. If you are ok with that, fine.

Michael McNamara
Michael McNamara

Couldn't agree more. There are a ton of leaks on this ship and no ONE thing can plug them up. Yeah maybe Marcus could turn the tide in 1 or 2 games, maybe Gray provides a spark on a given night, maybe Pops..... well never mind. Big picture is that this team is flawed in several areas and it is going to take a lot of work and several home run type moves to get us to the elite level we thought we were at when we were 11-1.

rm
rm

@mm I see you're not a Pops lover. You are right that his regular season has been poor but out of MBenga and Gray, he is still the only one to show anything in pre season.

42
42

This team is much improved over the team last year, probably the team from the season before that, and maybe even the 2007-2008 team. That team was less streaky, and had great success in January that contributed to their win total. We are upset by the two trends, and the projection of the most recent one. Most fear it because they don't analyze the cause and it's just a boogeyman. I don't understand it fully, but I do know the offensive activity is low. Off-ball stuff is becoming uncommon. We're doing isolation plays more and more but with less and less off-ball movement, the the isolation turns into a double team or more. The guys are running plays from a small playbook, committing to shooting from spot X before the defense reacts, shooting regardless, but somehow not committing to the shot . . . people have commented on the hesitation. The kickouts against Detroit really helped, but this doesn't happen that much. A little heat, a little spice on the offensive side will help. I can't stand this talk of urgency or energy when the coaches aren't providing, as far as I can tell, a game-specific playbook, or at least priorities, or something else to get excited about.

Taquito
Taquito

This is just funny now, im not even upset, let me know when the team starts playing with heart again.

TJZL
TJZL

Okay guys, here's the problem, so lemme break it down for you. The hot start was a product of the new system which teams had not yet figured out. Guys were also attacking the rim, playing excellent team defense, and rebounding well. As we all know, teams quickly figured out the offense AND defense and began to exploit their inadequacies and holes. Look at the Spurs game and all those games we started losing. We hit a wall, and Monty was still working on how to figure out how to fix it. The offense now has turned into some horrible, horrible monster. We had good ball movement for about ONE game in this "slump" (is this really a slump, or was the start of the season a fluke?) and that was against Detroit, the worst team in the NBA. The half court offense is not working on a team with no scorers, but these guys that aren't scorers aren't fast enough nor talented enough to run a fast paced team that plays an up-tempo fast-break kind of offense. We have TWO guys with consistent minutes that can put up about 25 a night, other than that everyone else is streaky. Whoever said earlier that defense should not be the only focus of this team earlier is absolutely right. Except the thing is that there's no one that can actually play offense. The personnel isn't exactly there. Isolations set up for Ariza and Okafor make me literally want to gauge my eyes out. Ariza couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (wow haven't used that one in awhile) even if he wanted to, and usually his non-fastbreak drive to the basket or inside the arc ends in a turnover off of his knee or a badly missed shot or layup. The guy is a great defender (he can also be a lazy defender too), but he's not by any means a solid guy to go to for scoring. One-trick pony! If we were to package some deal up to get a legit new scorer in the line-up, Ariza would have to go. I honestly hate him more and more every game. I also hate Okafor very much as well because he's about the softest player I've ever seen at times, also he's very very bad offensively, and he doesn't like to dunk, and ugh he's just frustrating. I also want to apologize if my professionalism is being a bit thrown off, but I think everyone who's a fan of this team knows the frustration. Marcus Thornton deserves more time, and perhaps a starting spot for a test drive because he is a proven scorer. He's an aggressive driver, athletic, can hit from anywhere, an rebounds the ball efficiently. His defense is not BAD as Monty will say (yeah, I'm calling him out), but it's not a team defense. Marcus is a scrappier defender causing him to force more turnovers. Belinelli is a pretty good defender, but he's not really much more than a very average starter. It takes a guy an entire GREAT game for him to reach 22 points, Marcus with those minutes could do serious damage with those minutes. I'm not saying he's our savior by any means, but it would provide some spark if he could at least get some god damn playing time. For Monty, ignorance is not bliss. Ignoring the fact that Mbenga is about as scrubby of a scrub as you can get in the NBA means that your backup 5 spot has a giant hole in terms of offense, defense, and hell even rebounding. Aaron Gray does not suck Monty, play the guy, FANS (those select people that show up to some of these poorly orchestrated games, myself included) love this guy. He hustles, rebounds, defends, and by god he's not offensively retarded like our 7 foot sloth. Andersen and Smith are the same person, offensively and defensively limited players who hustle most of the time, but it doesn't usually help the team out all that much. Those guys are NOT centers, hell Andersen hardly deserves to be on the court. If we don't get someone to at the very least play defense and rebound at this position, then I can almost guarantee that we will miss the post-season. 6th in the West right now means absolutely nothing if we've lost 9 of the last 12. Willie Green and Jarrett Jack. WTF man. Willie is a good backup 2, there's not doubt about that, but all he does is score (not much) and play very solid defense. However, he should NOT be the first man off of the bench to soothe an cold Marco because he's a one man crew on offense and his stupid 20 foot jumper coming from around the screen is usually a wasted possession in which no pass was even made. I can live with him being solely a backup, but he should not ever be a primary scorer on any unit, starting or bench. Jack is very frustrating as well. His role is to distribute the ball to the second unit players, except he doesn't do that. Instead he takes too many bad jumpshots a game and plays lazily on the defensive end. Then again he doesn't exactly have much to pass to on the second unit. This team is out of whack, man. Chemistry is bad, coaching is bad (sorry Monty, I do still love you though, and I have faith you will fix things), and the way this team is assembled is just plain bad. The offense is absolutely broken. The defense statistically is good, but not very good to watch. And a lately passive Chris Paul is upsetting. Personally, I do not think this team can win with the current structure of the roster, much less the system being implemented with the players. I think Dell should start hitting up Denver right now to check in on Melo's availability. I honestly think a third scorer on the starting unit could help put this team in the right direction. Opinions gentlemen?

MaxALM
MaxALM

well said! Sometimes I feel sick to my stomach that Mbenga still receives the minutes that he does. My girlfriend always calls him a troll, and that's pretty much what he is. A big troll with no real basketball talent. At least put Gray in. I am not a Gray fan by any means, or ever was, but he's more talented than Mbenga. I'm sure DJ is a nice person, and that's fine. But he has no business being on the court so consistently. Both guys are 3rd string Centers imo, and as I've mentioned before on previous threads, it's appauling to me how little our management has addressed our GLARING lack of frontcourt depth. We've made so many trades and adjustments to our backcourt, time and time again, and yet our frontcourt continues to suffer in depth, as it has for years. Smith is not a 3rd big off the bench. He'd be a decent 4th guy, but by no means a 3rd on any playoff team. Its astounding. There is no consistent threat down low. Okafor is one of the softest, most delicate big men I have ever seen on offense. He's solid on D, but he can't be the sole protector of the rim. He's just not big enough. With Ariza, you nailed it. I am liking him less and less each game. This team poses NO THREAT when getting to the rim. Ariza cannot drive without turning it over or chucking his own feces at the backboard. When he isn't on the fast break, his best drives are when he dishes back out to the perimeter--meaning he should never drive in the half court. Although I've seen a few nice plays where he drives to the rim and hands it off to a big nearby, that doesn't happen enough. I'm not even sure Mek or West have a clue what's happening at that point. I love him defensively, but he isn't always engaged on that side. I would start liking him again if he just makes better decisions on offense. Likewise, Belinelli throws up some of the most awkward, awful, off-balanced shots when he drives to the rim. He's lucky even some of those go in. He's great on the perimeter, but not much else. He doesn't rebound enough, assist enough, or force any turnovers on D. Good on-ball defense and covering his man, but doesn't steal, block, or force any turnovers. I talk too much about Marcus, but he needs some real opportunity. It's been more than long enough. Offense is horrid. Atrocious. Miserable. Abysmal. If I could think of any more insulting words to describe it, I'd put it down. Marcus WILL give this team a spark if he ever gets real minutes. That's a big IF. It doesn't seem like Monty has any clue that offense is suffering so much. Marcus can score in bunches if only he'd get some meaningful PT. The last 6 minutes of a game when you're down 20 + isn't meaningful PT. They need someone who can CREATE some kind of offense, even if it's just for himself. Why wouldn't you at least TRY IT?? for god's sake, it's like Byron is coaching this team right now. Lastly, the team has COMPLETELY abandoned their use of athleticism. We're hardly getting out on the break anymore. Does anyone remember early in the season when we were RUNNING? Me neither. I'm not seeing that one bit. Teams may have figured out our game plan, but by all means you can still RUN upcourt to keep the defense on their heels.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

Blaming the play on Jack-Bayless trade is just an excuse in my opinion. We have a Jerryd Bayless on our team if you want to see him so badly. His name is Marcus Thornton. Still, I gotta believe that if CP3 misses any time, we will be happy as hell we have Jack instead of Bayless running the show. Our starters are getting owned right now. Can't blame Jack for that. To just assume that Bayless brought such energy to the team that we played out of our minds is silly. Everyone is also forgetting that our team is saving money now this season. It's very easy to criticize a money saving move, but we can't even get 14k into the arena most nights so who can blame them?

NOEngineer
NOEngineer

CP3 is not the problem. He's not what he once was, but he's still an awesome point guard. He is feeding the shooters and big men in position to score, but they cannot hit a shot. The problem on offense is lack of ability for anybody to finish at the rim. Every player on the team has missed at least one dunk or layup in the past 5 games. Most of our big men lose half of their post-ups before they even shoot. Nobody respects our ability to drive to the rim, or even finish on the fast break. The problem on defense is our weak presence inside. We foul like little girls, allowing multiple 3-point plays on layups and dunks each game. We haven't taken a charge in the paint in a while. We don't make the other team pay for their trips into the paint. Against OKC I saw Dwest totally ignore a driving layup, without even turning around to play defense. Who knows why, but we went from playing stout defense to playing Bower defense. Sorry, but Marcus has shown nothing this year. If he had a couple of games where he made 50% of his shots, then maybe the many complaints would be warranted. Unfortunately he's been inefficient and ineffective on both ends. Yeah, Belly has had some bad games too, but nothing Marcus has done justifies a starting role. I don't understand the Mbenga hate, but I do wish Aaron Gray would get a few games to show his stuff. Sit Anderson down until he gets a clue.....

QueenBee
QueenBee

"The problem on offense is lack of ability for anybody to finish at the rim. Every player on the team has missed at least one dunk or layup in the past 5 games.." What in the world happened to us being a younger more athletic team? Speaking of dunking, and finishing at the rim, it wasn't that long ago when Trevor was doing this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6oqCCbtNuQ&feature=fvst http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49imqsBCEtY Where is that Trevor? I figured at best he'd be a younger, more athletic Posey. A defensive player that will give you a little bit of offense sometimes. One that can knock down an open 3 ball when in the position to do so. Other than a fastbreak dunk or open 3 ball, Trevor really shouldn't be involved in a whole lot of our offensive plays. "We foul like little girls," AMEN! LOL!

jib
jib

Marcus hasn't gotten a lot of chances to show he should be out there. He did in the beginning versus Denver and SA, but not too much after. I agree that he hasn't shown a lot in the short spurts he's been given but we're already in a bad stretch, is it not worth experimenting with?

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

you cant judge marcus on his play this year. its too tough to go play 10 min one game then sit for 3 its the coaches fault more than it is marcus for his inconsistent play

Justin
Justin

I'm not getting in to the Thornton part of your post since that's been so thoroughly beaten into the ground (I will say I disagree somewhat with you, though), but the first couple of paragraphs I've been screaming (at myself/the wall) for the last month almost. I've never seen a basketball team be SO terrible at finishing around the basket. I'm talking absolutely abysmal. Okafor's futility at the rim is obviously the most astounding, but Ariza and Bellineli are also both pathetic at finishing off the drive (actually it's about 50/50 whether they can even get a shot off) That's 60% percent of your starting lineup that strikes exactly NO fear into the opposing team, so on the rare occasion when Chris Paul tries to get to the rim, the other team can run as many bodies at him as they please. What's the worst that can happen? He dumps it off to Okafor? HA. Jodie Meeks got that shit. Jarett Jack shows flashes of being able to get to the basket effectively, but not enough. Besides that, he has to run the offense. Green? Meh. Jason Smith? LMFAO. Yeah. Mbenga? Catching the ball is kind of a prerequisite. Thornton? So is getting on the floor. Pondexter would seem to have some ability in him but even he is still a big fat "TBD". Frustrating team to watch right now. Oh, and to completely digress from the point, EVERY SINGLE BIT of that hustle and effort on the defensive end from David West that we all saw and were so impressed by the first 10/11 games is completely gone now. Apathy reigns again.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

Everyone like's to point to Marcus' play this year. Give me a break. Name one other player on the roster that has to look over his shoulder every single damn time he takes a step anywhere on the floor. No one else except Aaron Gray is expected to be world beaters or they don't play for the next 10 games. In a game of split second reactions, you can't break the mental psyche of a young player and then expect him to play like Kobe Bryant for 5-10 minutes a game. It's utterly retarded.

jib
jib

I'm feeling a discussion on the trade actually affecting us or not, because you cannot put all blame on it. You can't compare Bayless in Toronto to him over here, plain and simple. It is two different roles, and he only gave us a glimpse of what he is doing once.... against the Clippers. Personally I miss Peja. He can sort of do what everyone says Marcus can do, and that is to be a scoring spark. Jack isn't that player from what I've seen while MT and peja are. Maybe they need to mess with the lineups, starters need to be consistent. Make Marco earn it back. I don't know though.... hopefully we enjoy a good game versus those three Miami guys.

jib
jib

Also I would change the lineups despite the defense because to beat someone with 70 points the opponent needs to score in the sixties, not too common eh?

NolaHog
NolaHog

This team has taken a disturbing turn. They'd better show up for this Miami game tomorrow.

QueenBee
QueenBee

Chris Paul is the only player in double digits today and he's still wrong. LMAO. The ONLY Hornet in double digits. He scored. No, he didn't take 30 shots but he scored. How is it that one player on an entire team ends up with double digits? Now when are other players going to be held accountable?

QueenBee
QueenBee

If they really want to make a move to appease Chris Paul with one of his 'friends', do you really think Jack would be the one CP would ask for? LMAO. If that's the case they could've just held on to Pargo, whether he was still rehabbing or not. For all we know, Monty could've told Jack he'd do his best to get him out of his situation in Toronto.

bgalella
bgalella

Jerryd Bayless just wasn't a fit for New Orleans. He is a talented player but needed to start, not going to happen with Chris Paul and the Raptors will have him starting by the end of the season. Jarrett Jack is an ok player at best, the move was more to try and appease Paul.

QueenBee
QueenBee

Why? Because he's so called CP's friend? What about Jack's history with Monty? I think Monty knows the games of both Bayless and Jack better than all of us. I don't think Chris Paul puts friendship above winning. If he felt a 'friend' would hold the Hornets back do you think he'd be for that?

bgalella
bgalella

So Chris Paul showed up and the rest of the team was garbage, wasn't this what everyone predicted at the begging of the season? One field goal in the second quarter is unbelievable, there is no way an NBA team should be doing that. Hats off to Philadelphia though, they are starting to buy into the new system, hung with Boston on Thursday and have won 5 of their last 7 games.

f.g. di bene
f.g. di bene

The hottest sixers player at the moment, meeks was just shut down by beli: meeks' last 3 games vs boston, cleveland, charlotte: 61pts, 21/38 fg, 15/23 3pt. today: 8 pts, 2/9 fg, 0/3 3pt. This is a good defense, not a top defender? i'm sure of it, but he's an pretty good one. Beli sucked at shooting? sure, but everybody else except cp3 sucked hard today. The incredible mt, in garbage time, against the second unit of the sixers finished with 3/8. I just can't believe marco is getting this anger by the fans, just because he earned his starting position. I really think that marcus and marco can coexist, but at the moment the one who needs to work hard to gain the starting position or even more minutes from the bench, is marcus. he needs to work on his defense, on his basketball IQ, and on the things monty don't see in him. I don't believe that, even a rookie coach, can't see what everybody else sees, I think he knows why mt is on the bench, even if the mt fans (i'm one of them) does not know. anyway I prefer a less spectacular player on a winning team then a more spactacular one on a losing team (bayless in toronto anyone? that team is a messy offensive team with no playoff expectations.... even sonny weems, a d-league player, getting his cheers).

James Online
James Online

There you go. Smart analysis. The Philly TV announcers said today that the reason the Hornets like Marco Belinelli so much is the intangibles, the smarts, the complementary skills. Hornets think he is "a very good player." And of course he remains a legitimate three point threat--the only one on the team outside of Chris. If you've followed Marco in his career, you learn one thing: he is not the "shoot-em up score 30 every night" player he looked like when he first came to the States. He integrates his game into the team offense and does what it takes to help his team win. That's why he was by far the top +/- over the entire season for the Raptors last year, and why he and Chris were way up there together at the beginning of this season. Like many of you, I've been frustrated with Marco's poor shooting, especially at the beginning of games lately. But his floor game overall has been very good--excellent defense, few turnovers, good playmaking. The Hornets have serious problems: Okafor can't compete down low effectively. Trevor is counted on for too much scoring, and he's never been much of an offensive player. The Chris-David tagteam routine is too easy too predictable. Jarrett Jack has yet to gain his footing. Pondexter (who I like a lot) makes rookie mistakes. Mbenga, finally getting a chance to play in the NBA, shows nothing but dumbness. Overall Willie Green has been effective off the bench. Jason Smith has too. Somehow the system has broken down from where we were at the beginning of the year. The fast start demonstrated the potential. The recent skid, mainly against good teams, brought us back to reality. Tomorrow is unlikely to turn things around, but let's see how things over the next month or so. Monty and Chris have to orchestrate well and the players will have to perform up to their abilities. That includes Marco.

James Online
James Online

My "smart analysis" comment was directed at f.g. di bene.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

Sorry, but aside from occasionally shutting down a talented, but unpolished offensive player, Belinelli is below average at best at everything else. Everyone talks about his scoring and defense. What about his rebounding? What about his ability to create or get others involved? 2 rebounds and 1 assist out of your starting SG is NOT GETTING IT DONE. Get the f*** over it. You want to make as many excuses as humanly possible for him, just like James Online. You will take whatever small sample size you can to justify your man crush on him while neglecting to mention any negatives.

BeesGivingEffort
BeesGivingEffort

I will say this. Of all the pro-Belinelli support, at least you leave the door open for Marcus. You at least understand where everyone is coming from. We just want to see! Maybe it doesn't work out. But, come on, most of us have seen enough from the kid to know it's possible he could be the difference maker we need.

f.g. di bene
f.g. di bene

I don't think the stats are the only thing to watch to evaluate a player. In a CPCentric team, the assist stat is pretty difficult to get, every ball is going tru the last passage from CP3. I don't see this super effective passing by MT, well I almost didn't see him pass a ball, ever. Yes, he's more effective at rebounding, he's atletic and playing with a good intensity, but trying to get a rebound, for example on offense means less effective (or ineffective) transition defense. MT is a good player, a slasher who can bring to the team's offense something unpredictable, but he's not focused, he's pretty often absolutely confused on what are his duties, he gets the ball and shoot it, nothing else. It's effective? sometimes. You can win consistently with him on the floor on a defensive minded team? I don't know, but I think the answer is no... If we need to replace belinelli, we need someone else, or change completely the philosophy of the team.

QueenBee
QueenBee

"sure, but everybody else except cp3 sucked hard today." From what I hear, CP3 sucked today too.

f.g. di bene
f.g. di bene

I meant shooting.... 8/12 isnt sucking :D

Joe P
Joe P

I'm right there with you. Marco is a starting level defender of NBA shooting guards. Marcus is not. And behind Marco on the depth chart are two established veteran combo guards. I loved watching Marcus light it up last year, but the team is still on a committment to defense honeymoon, and for now at least, there's a combo guard logjam on the bench. Marcus Banks anyone?

LongShot
LongShot

Seriously, the Jack + scrubs for Peja's expiring(high value), Bayless was a STUPID TRADE. We were, what can't remember 11-2 .......11-1 then all of a suden we started losing after the trade. Look at Bayless what he's doing in Toronto now and he's on half the salary Jack is. Now tell me that's not DUMB.

LongShot
LongShot

Damn what's wrong with CP, in fact what's wrong with this team all of a sudden. Like i said before, trading for Jack may have been the wrong move. I don't know why thist team traded for Jack when Bayless was playing well, now look at Jack - Bayless comparisons since the trade and tell me it wasn't a mistake to make that stupid a*s trade. Demps basically wasted a good asset in Peja's expiring for WHAT!!!!!????? Jack hasn't done "Jack SH*T" pun intended, since he's been here, what a garbage player he is. And what the hell is wrong with Ariza he SUCKS. I thought him playing next to the best pg in the league would make him better, or at least improve his efficiency..........NOT EVEN CLOSE. His PER has dropped, fg% dropped, he's a BUM and i agree with the posters here, that he should be MOVED TO THE BENCH. I wanna see an article detailing what this team is doing differently since their 8-9-0 start to the season.

MaskedTalent
MaskedTalent

IM SORRY BUT WE SUCK. ARIZA SHOULD NOT BE STARTING. CHRIS PAUL IS NOT PLAYING LIKE CHRIS PAUL. BELLI IS INCONSISTENT. OKAFOR IS INEFFICIENT AND TOO SMALL! MARCUS THORTON IS NOT THE SAVIOR THAT YOU ALL THINK HE IS. I DONT KNOW WHAT MONTY HAS CHANGED BUT IT IS NOT WORKING....sorry for talking in all caps but we are losing toooooo often nowadays. lets change it up. get some scorers on the team. Do SOMETHING MONTY AND DEMPS

MaxALM
MaxALM

I agree. I just want to see Marcus given a bigger sample size. Let him start for a few games, come off the bench for 25 mins. If that doesn't work, then I give up. Trade him and a bunch of guys for someone who can step up and be a f***ing man

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

So let the voice of reason come in... all though lots of you are making good points (not james though) Obviously something needs to change going 3-9 in your past 12 games playing a much easier schedule than we did in our first 11 is very telling. We got pumped up for the early start to the new regime and now with the fire gone and us in a big time slump the team doesnt have the IT factor going anymore. There has to be a change made to the line-up. You cant get 20 from belly one game and an average of 5 ppg in the games surrounding that. Streaky playing is for bench players not starters. Ariza needs to stop shooting plain and simple. Spot up for 3 and play solid defense thats what we need you for. Chris for the lvoe of god take initiative. You and d west need to take control of the offense and win us games, ur a superstar thats what superstars do. Willie and Jack have not been consistent. Willie plays nice d but look at this game... really 23 points in the first half. Marcus got 23 in a quarter by himself. PLAY MARCUS we need a spark and he is the guy who can do that. Also, a comment on Demps. Why make a change when our team is 11-1. I understand jack is a better player and a friend of chris but really why mess with an 11-1 team. Stupid.

QueenBee
QueenBee

1/3/11 the Hornets better look for payback. That's all I know.

m-W
m-W

Not sure what makes Gray a "3rd stringer." I seem to recall his defense on Howard key to our comeback against the Magic last year. Do I expect that from him every game? No. But I do expect he is a quality back-up center. Why Monty doesn't think he can do the nothing that Mbenga/Pops offer is beyond me.

rm
rm

Agree on the MBenga front but what I have seen, even this year from both Gray and Pops, it would still be Pops as he is alot more athletic and plays bigger than his 6ft 9

QueenBee
QueenBee

From postgame recap... "I don't even catch myself looking at the score," Paul said. "When you're out there playing, it's about the next possession. How can we get a stop and how can we score. We weren't making shots. We kept settling for outside jump shots instead of attacking the basket. It's been like that for a while." http://www.nba.com/games/20101212/NOHPHI/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000350#nbaGIboxscore Hey CP, try looking up at the score sometimes. I know you do though. And yes, you guys needs to stop settling for jump shots when they aren't falling and should attack the basket. How many jump shots must be missed before it's decided to take it to the rim? I guess they keep thinking they will eventually fall but more oftentimes than not, they won't.

Disturbed
Disturbed

Now you can see why GSW and Toronto didn't like Belli. The guy is so inconsistent and it's been nearly all bad for the past 2 weeks. I'm tired of watching him. We need a legit 2, he clearly isn't it. Thornton has to play more. Bayless was incredible last night. That whole thing drives me crazy.

QueenBee
QueenBee

What I would like to know is why couldn't Bayless be incredible for the Hornets? Will he be incredible next game? Was he increbible in the game before his incredible game last night? Like I said, we saw the guy wasn't giving the Hornets anything so how long should we have waited for him to contribute? Yeah, Belinelli is WAYYYY to inconsistent. I've been saying this for a while. If he gives you 22 one night it's almost a sure thing you won't get anything the next game. We can't have that. Especially not from a guy you have as a starter.

MaxALM
MaxALM

I really think it's because he has a much different role than he did with us. Bayless is arguably a starting-quality PG for many teams. He thinks so too. With us, that obviously wasn't his role. Think about DCollison. He was mediocre as a backup, and a stud when he got starter's minutes. Both of those guys are just like that, i guess. Ariza was comfortable on the Lakers because he wasn't pressured. With Houston, that role was flipped upside down. The same is starting to happen with him now. I really believe it's that same idea. Which is why I was never thrilled about acquiring Jack. But let's hope he can figure it out.

Go Blue
Go Blue

Isn't Bayless playing around 30-35mins per game up there in TO? If so, his numbers and play should improve. As for Belinelli, sit him on the bench and let him fight for the starting line up again. And hopefully Marcus can live up to his tremendous hype.

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