Demps knocks another one out of the Park
In 1993, Ken Griffey, Jr. had a home run in 8 consecutive games. Since I consider the Jerrells trade with San Antonio a foul tip, Dell Demps is closing in on Griffey’s record. He hit another home run in his most recent trade on Saturday, as he got Jarrett Jack from the Toronto Raptors.
Yeah, other players were involved and I guess we can talk about them, but make no mistake, this trade was all about getting Jack to come in here and lock down the backup point guard spot. As for the trade as a whole, I wanted to save the entirity of my thoughts for our next Podcast, but when I see the national media being so short sighted, I feel it is my obligation to paint the whole picture so I will fill in what they are leaving out.
The biggest complaint from Hornets fans and media members so far has been that the Hornets traded away their best asset in Peja. But did they? No- this trade is essentially Jack for Bayless. Let me explain.
You take those two out of the deal and it is Peja for two expiring contracts- David Anderson and Marcus Banks. People don’t understand why Demps made this move so soon, but you will understand if you glance at your calander. The date is November 20th. By getting Banks and Anderson today, Demps can make them part of a multi-player trade before the deadline. If he had waited much longer, that would not have been an option.
So if Demps wants to go after Iggy in February, he still can if all they want is expirings. Toss them Anderson, Banks, and either Marco or Willie Green and the deal is done. Wanna go after Biendris or another big money big? Same thing.
Point is that nothing has changed except the Hornets have a backup point guard who is a much better fit, they have picked up another small trade exemption and they got below the luxury tax. That’s all. If Demps decides that he wants to make that “big move” it is still possible and having multiple small expiring contracts as opposed to one large one actually gives him more options.
A swing and a long, long, long fly ball. It is GONE!!! Demps has done it again!
Hi Hornets fans, Pacer fan here. I notice there are a lot who don't seem too high on this trade. It's a great trade for the Hornets though. They get the best player in the deal, hands down, in Jack. You will LOVE this guy. He is tough as nails. Will make an excellent backup to CP. He can play some 2 but that isn't really what you want him to do.
Stefan do you live in Vegas I went to high school there and only net Marcus a few times if was a little older them me but I knew his lil brother jimmy and yourfriend is right there both the biggest d bags he did try to fight high school kids me and my friends were some of them
I have a question: Why does it seem that all the sports new outlets seem to feel that the purpose of this trade was to get under the luxury tax cap? Weren't we already under it, although just barely? Even the local WWL and Fox8 website articles are saying the trade was designed to get us under the luxury cap. I don't agree. Do you?
It wasn't designed to do that, but it did it and I'm sure helped make the deal more attractive. Bad analysis and bad reporting is something I'm used to. These guys don't pay much attention to the Hornets, so they are reporting what the major outlets are reporting probably. They are concocting a way to back out of 'Hornets and New Orleans suck, Chris is leaving and everyone wants him but he's not that good' corner they'd painted themselves into by saying 'now they fixed the cap issue and are ready to contend'. So says my cynicism that serves me so well.
while all this trade news is very good, ive started to realize something.. yes demps, will admit that he made a mistake, (by trading for bayless) but weren't we saying this same exact things about bayless, that we are saying about jack now, and bayless had less negative comments i believe. we've had bayless for 11 games, and it obviously wasn't working out, but what if jack doesn't work out? are we going to just trade him as well? at some point, were either gonna run out of trade chips and draft picks, or were gonna have to say that what we have now, is what were going to stick with..
I don't think the situation with Bayless and the situation with Jack are the same. Bayless was a young bench player that coach saw potential in. Jack started every game for Toronto, and he'd be a starter on a lot of teams. So they're in totally different places with different basketball IQs. What we need now -- and I'm glad that DelMonty (love it!) sees it -- is someone who's going to make an impact immediately and allow CP3 to get adequate minutes of rest on the bench, and we need someone who's going to give CP3 that rest this season. As coach said one time, he shouldn't have to put CP3 back in to mop up every game. I think this goes a long way to reaching that point.
On the court I think this trade is nothing but for the better with a PG that now doesn't look for the drive as their first option. Jack will slow it down make the right play and even though his numbers aren't good so far this year he is still better for the team then Bayless. Defense Im not sure about but I think his more than adequate with his height and IQ. David Anderson will have his impact though Im not sure what that will be and I wouldn't worry about Banks because even if we had a PG injury I would think Willie Green is the replacement before Banks. Peja will be missed for his character and threes but players that can shoot with avg defense are not uncommon in the NBA. Off the court this gets interesting, Jarrett will get roughly 10 minutes less on the court playing for New Orleans. Will he care about that? I cant say because I've never met him but what i can say is that he will still have a significant impact on a very good team. Related to a personal experience I played for a good team in my towns comp where i came off the bench and didn't like the minutes so I changed the next year onto a lesser team that i started on but we lost alot of games. Now thats probably a testament to my basketball but it wasn't much fun playing for one of the weakest teams even though I got some more time. If I were Jarrett I would be happier in Nawlins. But another thing with Jack is what is his attitude with others, he wasn't very keen on Ariza last year and we'll see if thats going to be an issue. Will he respond well to the coach? Again I dont know but Monty is the guy that demands respect from his players. This is where Marcus Banks becomes interesting, if what StefanC says is true then he may be very cancerous to this team, intersting for sure. In the end Im only worried by the off court potential hassles. But I have full faith in Dell Demps and Coach Williams and wouldn't trust anyone else to run this team. Assuming they made this desicion together they know that this team is better for it.
"This is where Marcus Banks becomes interesting, if what StefanC says is true then he may be very cancerous to this team, intersting for sure." Banks will be the furthest thing from cancerous to your team. The guy hardly played for us (Toronto), but was a complete pro about the situation here. Always worked hard in practice, always teaching the young guys, always ready to play etc. One of our best (and only) defenders too. Andersen is solid too. Knocks down open shots and grabs rebounds...it's not much but he does it consistently.
Does anyone know how Jack, Anderson, (Carlton)Banks rank defensively? I mean they all came from one of the worst, if not THE worst, defensive teams in the NBA. D is a MUST on this team and I know Anderson is no lock-down Center but what about Jack/Banks?
Random fact: Marcus Banks is actually friends with my high school basketball coach and he's around all the time. The guy is pretty much a bum. I've been told he doesn't practice or try to improve AT ALL anymore, and he tries to fight high school kids during pick up games at the school. SMH at him making nearly $5 million.
I like the trade, although it had the feeling of the Philly trade initially. But it is a well constructed, albeit not flashy, trade. It gives a great asset and flexibility. Another big man I have my eyes on and I think could be had is Jason Thompson from SacTown. He is not getting any minutes and was already shopped without much succes. He is young, skilled and big. He probably could be had for an expiring and/or a draft pick (maybe even for Marcus).
Just reading about the trade here. I feel pretty good that Monty saw what we all saw, which was that Bayless was going to get CP3 killed, and a real point was needed ASAP. I like what Andersen brings as another front court player whose game has to be respected. OK4 has now gotten the attention of opposing teams and he isn't having as much success as when teams were ignoring him. He's never going to have a dominant low post game, so the post-ups for him have been run-killers. Andersen has enough size to play critical minutes in the fourth quarter and keep the defense from clogging the lane like Dallas did the in their two games, which made 4th quarters so much tougher. I like the idea that we still have options open for a starter-quality player, but we're getting strong enough defense at the 2 from Belli so that we don't have to swallow Iggy's big contract. With Jack keeping Green locked in at the 2 guard (and not moving back to point for spot duty), and able to run an offense, we'll probably see more bench production offensively. I think the missing piece we need to compete is the helicopter: Let's try to get a Gerald Wallace if we can pry him loose, or go after Dalembert next year.
Yes Jarrett Jack will be good but isn't Willie Green the backup point guard? What's going to happen to his minutes?
David Aldridge's take on the trade: ROLL TAPE: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/11/20/20101120_da_noh_tor_trade.nba/ L_Reazy
David Andersen is a 'bad azz' with bad blood for Jason Kidd ... I can't wait until the Hornets play the Mavs again. ROLL TAPE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkfkIDDbJsg&feature=related L_Reazy
Re David Andersen. From his time in Houston he is pretty bad defensively,racking up the fouls while playing soft. He gets his rebounds but doesn't fight for those that don't fall to him. He's really a PF who plays out of position at the C. On the positive side he has a very nice outside shot,even tho his jack-knife motion is a bit odd. Excellent in pick-and pop and spacing the court. The most frustrating habit of his,for me anyway,was his absolute inability to take it strong to basket. He's the only big I've seen who when he gets the ball a couple feet from basket takes a fade-away jumpshot. Yeah he makes most of them,but I'd want to scream at the TV to just slam the d*** ball,you were right there! Overall a nice bench big who can get hot and roll of 4-5 jumpers in a row,provided he's set up as he can't create his own shot,a nice guy and someone who knows what his game is and stays w/in himself.
'rm', This ones for you buddy ... POPS blocks David Andersen's dunk! Enjoy!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuKl-ztkaQk&feature=related L_Reazy
I remember this, I like his look back at the Rockets bench, saying look what you lost. On the clip count Pops beats Andersen!!! Andersen for me doesn't offer Hornets anything that they haven't got. Pops on the other hand IF he can get his game back offers that aggression around the ring, both ends and fights for rebounds. It is going to be interesting to see what pans out. If Pops doesn't start to show his game then I fear this isn't going to be good for Pops.
Rather have Pops out there doing this than watch that slow moving troll clogging up the lane loool :D
For all you David Andersen fans (lol) here's the reel you've been waiting for. Picture him on the floor with Jason Smith, Jarrett Jack, Willie Green, and Thornton! ROLL TAPE... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZUXUd1tB8 L_Reazy
Seems to have a nice touch. And more range than J-Smith or West? Also, J-Smith seems only comfortable to the right of the lane, where Andersen seems to be ok from both sides. Interesting ...
Interesting...i knew from his time in europe he was a decent rebounder, and clearly he developed the skillset of a european bigman while he was out here......him and smith running pick and rolls would be great, also both are serious hustle guys on the boards with ALOT....remember Anderson was essentially bought over last year to help fill in for Yao.....he could be another under the radar piece that we just picked up....maybe even one that makes gray even more expendable, and the slow moving troll that is dj mbenga another trade asset....
I like this deal. Bayless had one very good game, a few moments in other games, and lots of moments to make the fans groan. The best part for me is what *wasn't* part of the deal - Marcus Thornton. I was getting nervous that including him would be the price we would pay for unloading Peja's contract. Even if he's not playing now because of his defence, for the moment he still seems to be in Demps' fuiture plans. At the end of last season the Hornets had three horrible, horrible, horrible contracts on their books: Peja, Peterson and Posey. This deal would unload the last of those contracts. As fans I think we get a little obsessed with the "blockbuster" trade that brings in a known superstar, but Demps seems to have done a pretty good job of improving the team across the board in incremental steps, *and* retained a fair bit of flexibility for the future while doing it.
Two other things to NOTE: (1) If it's a shame that Chris Paul doesn't get enough fouls called in favor of him, then, Belinelli, while playing great fundamental defense with his hands straight-up and feet moving, has the most bad fouls called against him. Aside from that Jamison foul on the three point line where he was just a little too far underneath him / too close to him, he doesn't committ many fouls from what I see. The refs need eye glasses! (2) Fans who live in New Orleans must start attending the home games. It's starting to get ridiculous. I live in Minnesota and from what I've witnessed via televison was that the Miami Heat game was the only sell-out so far! As a resident of Minnesota I'd kill to go to more than just two Hornets games a year and watch 'CP3 & the Gang' play. It's not like the product is bad right? Sadly, the T-Wolves benefit from me going to see my favorite team -the Hornets- in there gym. Not New Orleans! As an Owner you'd consider moving the team to a different city, because, obviously, most fans aren't attending the games because they're watching them on TV, or maybe can't afford to go to the games due to a lack of money, or, perhaps, they invest all of their 'fun-time money' into the New Orleans Saints instead. No matter the reason it seems like most residence of New Orleans just watch the games on TV like a Minnesota resident like myself has to do. I guess if the team ends up moving to another city ... it's not a 'personal' decision by ownership ... just a 'business' one! I for one want the city of New Orleans to raise that banner one day. So, give ownership a reason to stay in New Orleans, because the Hornets team has given the fans a reason to go to the games; and not cheer from your favorite couch cushion! L_Reazy
I'm not entirely sold on this trade seeing as I was one of the more optimistic ones regarding Predrag's contract. No matter how applicable, It always feels a little weird getting solid, rotation players versus blockbuster players to me, but Demps has proven successful thus far. Much appreciation to what Predrag has done during his tenure, including renegotiating less money to help us ship him out. He did what he was supposed to do when he was healthy. Again, will miss the Peja heads. For reference, an old 247 article analyzing Predrag's contract: http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2010/10/11/being-realistic-about-a-stojakovic-trade/
Wonder if this would have been peja + thornton if not for the trade for bayless? Bayless' play made me angry...hopefully this will help keep paul's minutes in the low 30's Have to believe another move is coming, way too many corpses on the bench now (mbenga, gray, pops, banks) A reliable 12 man rotation is required for an 82 game slog
Agreed, although i get the feeling gray might be on waivers sooner rather than laters, and also, can anyone fill me in on whether mbengas contract is fully guaranteed? because he really hasn't ''done it'' for me thus far....
"after busting his butt to get in shape to play at a higher level..." his preseason debut was an egregious failure and he showed us once again that he would make zero impact in the NBA. A prepubescent school girl who leads a double-life as a pop singer could ball better than Gray.
O klkl that makes sense then yh im guessing that might be part of the reason hes been sat for so long, although you never know with this new and improved regime (as they've proved with all their much questioned, but highly successful moves thus far).....any ideas on mbengas contract then? from what i can remember its not fully guaranteed??
Gray wont ever go on wavers this season. He has a players option for next year. He also has to agree to a trade, and he can't be traded until Dec. 15 at all. Gray may be traded after the 15th but he has to consent. Maybe that is why he is inactive all the time, to make him want to go ANYWHERE that he can play after busting his butt to get in shape to play at a higher level.
with Peja gone maybe Pops can get back some of the minutes that Peja was playing at PF. Pops you haven't got much time. Make a claim!
everytime demps makes a trade its met with this same kind of resistance no one understood the green trade either my only question is i read in the comments that jack has a little bit of an attitude problem but then i read he and paul were boys back in college can someone clear the air i hope jack doesnt start any mess thanks hope we can see them in uni tomorrow thanks
Did I miss something? Peja was inactive for over a week and only recently came back into the rotation. We were 100% when he never played a minute and now people worry that we are losing a quality player? I got blasted when just 6 days ago I listed him as the 8th most valuable Hornet and now people feel like we lost a real piece. Last time I will say this- Peja, Anderson, Banks, etc. - these guys are just contracts. No team will care about the quality of their play, just the expiration of their contracts. The backup center position is not resolved yet, but the tools are still in place to make that move. Nothing has changed, with the exception of a signifigant upgrade at backup PG.
I understand how trading away Peja and bringing in Jarrett who can play both the 1 and 2 spots gives the team some flexibility to look for another big. And I'm assuming the Hornets will try to re-sign West in the offseason. My question is would they have enough to try to re-sign someone like Marco who's a RFA if he should get a contract offer elsewhere?
Watch This Jarrett Jack reel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ANCwIt1gE Did we ever see Jerryd Bayless look this under control for the Hornets this season? That would be a big N-O! ... no pun intented that time! L_Reazy
Side note on Marco: you may have noticed the passing yesterday. They had Marco initiating the offense quite often. It is often overlooked that he can also play the point. No matter where he plays, he can initiate the offense, pass and score. Some of you have been noticing his activity level (compared, for instance, to Trevor Ariza). If other players make themselves available when Marco's got the ball, he will get it to them to advantage. He's a playmaker, not just a 3pt shooter. Clever with the ball. It was good to see Marco and David West work together on occasion yesterday as well.
Does someone need to be reminded that the Hornets are 10-1, could easily still be undefeated, and are playing at a very high level with the personnel they've got? Team success had to do with the blend of players, not just the reputations or stats of individuals in isolation. What has been so great about the Hornets so far is the way the group complements each other. The starters blend exceptionally well on both ends of the court, and key players off the bench have more than held their own (Smith, Green, Poindexter especially. Peja and Bayless have also contributed, but they are certainly not essential to the success). Within games individual players have sparked particular quarters or stretches of times and the balance flows from game to game as well. Someone has always been able to pick the team up when they've needed a spark. That is quality that this group of players has. When you make big adjustments, you run the risk of upsetting the chemistry--in this case, a chemistry that has worked to near perfection. I will be at the Sacramento game tomorrow and will send along my thoughts after I get back to the SF Bay area tomorrow evening. My partner (the Brazilian Beyonce) and I preside over the Northern California Marco Belinelli fan club, a group that attends all his games in this area. Look for us with our signs and uniforms (mine, Hornets), hers (Bologna) near the Hornets bench.