Demps knocks another one out of the Park

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Published: November 20, 2010

In 1993, Ken Griffey, Jr. had a home run in 8 consecutive games. Since I consider the Jerrells trade with San Antonio a foul tip, Dell Demps is closing in on Griffey’s record. He hit another home run in his most recent trade on Saturday, as he got Jarrett Jack from the Toronto Raptors.

Yeah, other players were involved and I guess we can talk about them, but make no mistake, this trade was all about getting Jack to come in here and lock down the backup point guard spot. As for the trade as a whole, I wanted to save the entirity of my thoughts for our next Podcast, but when I see the national media being so short sighted, I feel it is my obligation to paint the whole picture so I will fill in what they are leaving out.

The biggest complaint from Hornets fans and media members so far has been that the Hornets traded away their best asset in Peja. But did they? No- this trade is essentially Jack for Bayless. Let me explain.

You take those two out of the deal and it is Peja for two expiring contracts- David Anderson and Marcus Banks. People don’t understand why Demps made this move so soon, but you will understand if you glance at your calander. The date is November 20th. By getting Banks and Anderson today, Demps can make them part of a multi-player trade before the deadline. If he had waited much longer, that would not have been an option.

So if Demps wants to go after Iggy in February, he still can if all they want is expirings. Toss them Anderson, Banks, and either Marco or Willie Green and the deal is done. Wanna go after Biendris or another big money big? Same thing.

Point is that nothing has changed except the Hornets have a backup point guard who is a much better fit, they have picked up another small trade exemption and they got below the luxury tax. That’s all. If Demps decides that he wants to make that “big move” it is still possible and having multiple small expiring contracts as opposed to one large one actually gives him more options.

A swing and a long, long, long fly ball. It is GONE!!! Demps has done it again!

113 Comments

  1. stormsurge

    November 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    I wish I could be enthusiastic about this, but I think Peja as a player brings too much to the table to just give him away

  2. Adzs-London bee

    November 20, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    When you put it like that it sounds good…but still essentially its a 1st round pick for jarrett jack…would you have been happy with that at the start of the year? i no i wouldn’t be (jacks getting no younger)….also its not even official yet? is it?

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 3:36 pm

      All players age at the same rate; none get younger, so it doesn’t get into the mix. He just needs to live up to his deal

      I posted something earlier saying it was official, and here is another:

      http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/20/hornets-raptors-trade-official-as-weird-as-we-thought/

    • Michael McNamara

      November 20, 2010 at 3:41 pm

      A 1st round pick that will be in the mid 20’s for Jack? I would do that any day of the week. Guys in the mid 20’s generally take years to contribute, if ever. Jack gives us an elite backup PG starting today.

      This draft might be the weakest in 10 years if the CBA is not settled by the day underclassman have to declare. Jack is only 27 and no he isn’t getting younger, but technically- is anyone? He will still be in his prime when this contract ends. Age is not an issue.

      • Adzs-London bee

        November 20, 2010 at 6:28 pm

        Yep you guys put my comment to shame 😀 to be honest i was at a party when i posted it up didnt really get to check my stats was under the impression that jack was around willie greens age, seems like hes been around forever….I agree next years draft is looking really gloomy right now, but last years draft was meant to be a 1 man draft, and we came away from it thinking it might be considered one of the greatest ever draft classes ever (in ten years time), and we managed to pick up DC with the 21st pick….i fully understand the trade though we’re in ”win now mode”….

  3. AgentZiko

    November 20, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I understand WHY he did it. But I still think he would have gotten more if he would have waited. Jack is good. But I don’t think he’s going to be happy with PT. And that will cause other issues. Jack isn’t the savvy vet who doesn’t mind coming in and doing his job (much like Willie Green has) nor the young gun learning the ropes from CP3 to help build his future. He’s a confident PG in his prime that will start on MOST teams and thats what I’m worried about. Everything will be fine for a few weeks. But what about when he sees PT isn’t coming so easy because when he gets in the game, CP3 is beggin Monty to put him back in during a close, big game, and Jack comes back out after being in for 3 or 4 minutes? Even though they are friends, the prior issues of him complaining about PT makes me really worried. And the whole Multi player trade? Dude, teams looking to dump a quality player for expiring salaries are probably teams that already have players like Anderson and Banks on their team. I think just landing Peja would be preferred on their end, rather than taking on guys that will force them to drop another player from their already miserable team.

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 3:45 pm

      More of what Dell doesn’t want vs exactly what he wants AND pieces to move to get more? What’s better?

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 3:52 pm

      Isn’t the only possible item in the minus column for DD that we had to send out DC? Now we have the starting-quality backup center and it’s a problem? It was probably net +, but doesn’t this just erase that and still give us a younger roster with tradables pieces and some expiring deal while having a very solid starting 5 and trade bait in Marcus?

  4. 42

    November 20, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Odds of Jack playing tomorrow? Are physicals an issue? Or just ‘comfort’?

    • AgentZiko

      November 20, 2010 at 4:01 pm

      I’m sure he will. Don’t know if the other guys will see time tomorrow. Although Sac is a big physical team, so maybe Anderson might see time in case there is some foul issues. It shouldn’t take too long for them to get their Physicals and be in Sac in time for the game tomorrow .

    • TopherPrice

      November 20, 2010 at 5:49 pm

      Physicals on all players must be completed and signed off on, so I would say we don’t see any of the players in different uniforms by tomorrow. Monday, maybe.

  5. NOBanks96

    November 20, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    If we wanted a good back up PG, y didnt we keep DC?

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 4:03 pm

      To get Ariza and send Posey away.

      • NOBanks96

        November 20, 2010 at 4:12 pm

        im sure there were ways around trading collison to get ariza

      • 42

        November 22, 2010 at 5:14 pm

        Oh, well I’m convinced.

    • StefanC

      November 21, 2010 at 1:12 am

      No. We couldn’t have. That was most likely the only way to get him. I mean we had to do it through a huge multi-team trade to make it happen.

  6. ur_gmas_daughter

    November 20, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Let me ask this: It was mentioned that Peja WOULD NOT bring in a big name through a trade, would a Ryan Anderson, Marcus Banks,Marco/Green bring in more of a big name? I would think the opposite right? My question is what do mean by:

    “If Demps decides that he wants to make that “big move” it is still possible and having multiple small expiring contracts as opposed to one large one actually gives him more options.”

    How is it more options exactly?

    • Michael McNamara

      November 20, 2010 at 4:13 pm

      Simple- because with Peja you would have to take back between 14-17 mil in contracts. But by essentially breaking that up you can take back guys with smaller numbers.

      For instance, you couldn’t have traded Peja for Stephen Jackson, A. Biendris, Birdman Anderson, etc etc. But since you have multiple smaller expirings you can go after guys in that price range OR guys in the Iggy price range.

      Therefore- more options.

      Forget about the players- come February all these guys are to teams are expiring contracts. Doesn’t matter what player comes with that expiring deal.

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 4:19 pm

      You can put these 2 expirings and a traded player exception together for more than Peja was worth or traded them seperately; the latter was impossible with a monolithic contract.

    • TopherPrice

      November 20, 2010 at 5:55 pm

      I stated in the earlier blog, that the other GENIUS thing going on is Mbenga and Pops are not guaranteed until the trade deadline I believe. So if we move say 3 guys totaling in 13 Million in salary we can take in, then we can also use our multiple trade exceptions to take junk players from the other teams and then cut Pops and Mbenga. This allows us to effectively take 3 players back in a 3 for 1 trade like Banks, Anderson, Marcus for Kevin Martin, by taking two of their junk 1 year deals of higher value from the other team. This gives them less salary this year as well. Another advantage to doing business with the Hornets come the trade deadline, cap room next year and some tax or cap room this as well.

      Demps is a GENIUS I tell you!

  7. rm

    November 20, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    I am not sure about this trade. Reason is that I don’t know where Anderson fits in here. If he pushes Pops further down the list then I am totally against it.

    For all of you who think Anderson is a upgrade on Pops look at these per minute stats.

    RPG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    Andersen 0.23 0.01 0.01 0.04 0.12 0.4
    Pops 0.35 0.02 0.02 0.08 0.15 0.4

    Pops all the way and this is before you look at real ability. Pops come on show your worth.

    • Schmide234

      November 20, 2010 at 4:08 pm

      pops doesnt have a high enough basketball IQ and simply doesnt produce enough. If the Hornets plan on ever being a contender (which they do in the near future) pops isnt going to be a role player on the team because he simply isnt good enough, im sorry.

      • rm

        November 20, 2010 at 4:22 pm

        I am beginning to agree on the IQ. It isn’t found out playing for GB or in Europe but is being found out in the NBA.

        But in terms of produce I think he can given the chance.

    • Michael McNamara

      November 20, 2010 at 4:14 pm

      Neither Anderson or Pops will be in the rotation come playoff time and I doubt either will be on the team. The trade was Jack for Bayless, no need to read into anyone else involved.

  8. JCS

    November 20, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Considering how the last guy Generally Managed his mistakes, it’ so refreshing to have Demps in office. The more home runs he hits now, the better our rank will be in the post season.

  9. Schmide234

    November 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    How is it that this trade went thru with bayless’ restriction from trade. i thot he couldnt be traded for another month or so? how did it work out?

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 4:17 pm

      They did it as two trades. Bayleaa couldn’t be packed, but could be dealt straight up for Mr. Andersen. Same rules apply to these three.

  10. 42

    November 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Banner has Peja running away . . .

    “Stojakovic, 33, is a three-time All-Star and lauded as one of the best shooters of modern times. He is in the final year of his contract at $14.9 million, and he agreed to a reduction in his 10 percent trade kicker in order to facilitate the trade. As much as he’ll hope the Raptors will help demonstrate he can extend his career as a free agent next summer, he has to know that his expiring contract could yet be dangled with Toronto’s existing $14.5 million trade exception (from the departure of Chris Bosh to Miami) in order to trade for a big-money star at the February deadline.”

    The guy helped make this happen. Class act. Peja has done a great deal for this team and just did so one more time. I hope that is his legacy and not the inconvenience of his contract.

    Thanks, Peja.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/11/20/hornets.raptors.trade/

    • AgentZiko

      November 20, 2010 at 4:13 pm

      He is a class act. Gonna miss seeing him catapult 3’s from everywhere on the court off of CP3’s drive and dish’s.

      • TopherPrice

        November 20, 2010 at 6:05 pm

        I agree completely!

    • Ryan Schwan

      November 20, 2010 at 6:41 pm

      Working on a Farewell to Peja. Despite the reactions to my “Peja is the greatest small forward on the planet” post, I was a fan of Peja.

      • 42

        November 20, 2010 at 7:02 pm

        Me and my shoulder are here for you . . . Until Roger Waters takes the stage . . . The Wall live in Houston . . . Be jealous everyone . . . First row, upper deck, straight on . . . My favorite album of all time . . . Awesome . . . Wooooo!

  11. 504ever

    November 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Why is this trade being viewed as good, when our biggest need is a back-up center? Yeah, it’s nice we got an upgrade at the back-up point guard slot, but how valuable is an upgrade when we have decent back-up point guard (or two)?

    Also, breaking Peja’s contract up into two smaller contracts so you can move a 1/2 Peja sized contract is nice (its weird writing in base Peja, instead of base 10), but neither of those two new guys can play. So you lose the functionality of Peja the player.

    This trade is OK, but nowhere near the steals for Belinelli and Green/Smith. This more like the 1st Rounder (now looking in the 20s) for Bayless trade. OK, but nothing spectacular.

    • Ryan Schwan

      November 20, 2010 at 5:03 pm

      Nice. Base Peja.

      • 42

        November 20, 2010 at 5:26 pm

        Agreed. Wondermous.

    • JCS

      November 20, 2010 at 5:05 pm

      We do need a back up center but CP on the DL w/Jerryd and Willie as back-ups is worse than Emeka on the DL w/Mbenga and Pops as back-ups, and a healthy CP. More simply put, if CP is on the DL then the head is cut off.

      • TopherPrice

        November 20, 2010 at 6:10 pm

        Here, Here!!

    • 42

      November 20, 2010 at 5:30 pm

      Good points to ponder, but the perception of the Green-Smith deal has changed dramatically since it occurred. I’m all for speculating here, but let’s make sure we also keep open-minded about it: we may like it, hate it, or both.

      However, this business is all about risk and reward. We can’t love it or beat it up just because it may work or may not.

    • 504ever

      November 21, 2010 at 5:55 am

      We didn’t take Peja’s contract, break it in two, and get back two expiring contracts. We took Peja’s contract, broke it in three, and got back two expiring contracts. We have about one-third of it on the books for three years. That’s like giving someone a $100 bill and being happy getting back a $50 bill and a $20 bill, and he keeps the rest for three years. Our expiring contracts went from $16M to $7.25M (with only about $4M going to reduce our cap figure this year)!! That is very different than how this was portrayed in the article above: Peja’s expiring contract changed into two expiring contracts roughly equal to the value of Peja’s.

      Here is the quote from the T-P that explains it: “Jack is 27 and has two years remaining on his contract. Jack is being paid $4.86 million this season, $5.2 million next and $5.5 in the final year of the deal. Banks’ contract ($4.75 million this year) expires after this season, and Andersen ($2.5 million) has a team option next season.

      I like Jack as a player, but we gave up a lot of flexibility to get him and he is only an upgrade over our existing serviceable back-up point guards.

      • 42

        November 21, 2010 at 10:39 am

        We have traded player exceptions (like Mo’s) to send with these which are superior to exprining deals if teams want to dump salary since the money immediately comes off the books, but inferior to one if the receiving team wants or needs a body. Given that any team wanting a body can sign an unsigned player to the vet minimum at any time, this is no negative. Traded player exceptions expire but Mo’s us good past where Peja’s deal would have expired, so we are good. It’s cool.

        We have lots of exceptions, too many to use really, so we aren’t short changing ourselves.

  12. Mark

    November 20, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    I’m going to miss those Peja heads.

    • TopherPrice

      November 20, 2010 at 6:11 pm

      I bet we traded the heads with him. The Raptors already stole the idea and has three of their players with Heads on a stick when they hit threes this year. Now they have 4! Life is funny.

      • Mark

        November 20, 2010 at 6:51 pm

        Hopefully our marketing department can keep churning out some novel ideas. It’s flattering seeing other organizations copy something you started.

    • thechosenuno

      November 20, 2010 at 6:48 pm

      We need “Beli Heads” now for when Marco’s on fire!!

  13. sk

    November 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    If Bellinelli is injured and we have to count on Ariza, Green for 3p’s we are done..

    Thinks this could be a big fuck up..

    • RobertM320

      November 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm

      sk, we still have Thornton, and Poindexter.

      • sk

        November 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm

        Sorry i dont think you can put those players yet in the same bracket as an experienced veteran..

        and the new guy has a reputation for trouble in toronto. that is why they are starting him instead of Calderon..

        I think by giving DC, messing with MT and doing this trade we are selling all our future for CP.. and he could very easily leave us with nothing in our hand.

        not wise… no player is bigger than a team.

      • RobertM320

        November 20, 2010 at 5:36 pm

        but, sk, if we do get into a position where Ariza is hurt, Peja wouldn’t be able to give us enough minutes night after night anyway. You were still going to have to rely on production from MT or Pondexter. So, better they get the experience now than later.

        Think, where would we have been in CP didn’t get hurt last year. Collison and Thornton could have sat the bench and we’d have no clue what we had. And for all that everyone laments about the loss of Collison, he still is only around 2:1 in AST/TO ratio. CP3’s up around 4.5:1, and around 4:1 for his career. Collison’s going to be a good NBA PG, but he’s no CP3.

    • TopherPrice

      November 20, 2010 at 6:13 pm

      If you want 3 pointers with zero defense like you were getting out of Peja look to the guy in the suit Marcus Thornton.

      And he has significantly better defensive quickness. How quickly people forget about him shooting 50% from 3pt land for two months last year.

    • Bug Marley

      November 21, 2010 at 3:53 am

      Isn’t Marcus Banks a good 3-point shooter too?

  14. RobertM320

    November 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Oops, and Belinelli.

  15. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    This to me is an excellent trade for the Hornets. Everything that Mike Mac stated at the top of the page I agree with, and to be honest, good teams make trades to fulfill needs; bad teams make trades to get a ‘superstar’ to build around. The Hornets are a good team … we just need pieces!

    Our team needed a back-up point guard similiar to a Darren Collison last season who could keep the ‘flow’ going once the starters needed a blow. Jerryd Bayless just couldn’t get a ‘handle’ on it; pun intended!

    Mbenga, Pops, and Gray were never adequete back-ups to what Okafor produces. At 15 mpg David Andersen will prove to a lot of doubters that he can produce as a back-up, provide a scary tandem with Jason Smith off the bench, and I don’t think anyone on this forum is arguing whether or not he’s better than the three Hornets BIGS that I mentioned, right? Andersen is an upgrade at the back-up Center position.

    I like the fact that Demps can make another trade in February to help our team … if need be. Personally, I’d prefer the Hornets stick with Belinelli as the starting SG, and pass on Iggy. Belinelli has proven he can do it all … he passes well, dribbles well, playmakes well, defends well, shoots well, and well, his IQ is better than Iggy’s (IMO).

    I think the Hornets should go after a veteran SF to back up Ariza. No disrespect to Pondexter, but I’d rather have a Shane Battier backing up Ariza come playoff time. Battier is a great defender, good three point shooter, has a high IQ for the game, and if Houston continues to suck we could get Battier in a package of ‘Cash Considerations’ and Marcus Thornton! I’m just sayin’ … could you imagine our team then?

    F-West, Smith
    F-Ariza, Battier
    C-Okafor, Andersen
    G-Belinelli, Green
    G-Paul, Jack

    That would be the best defensive team in the league come playoff time … and they could compete with the Lakers … even without Iggy and Melo!

    L_Reazy

    • RobertM320

      November 20, 2010 at 5:54 pm

      Reazy,

      I think this is exactly what Dell Demps has in mind. Its amazing what he’s accomplished with the roster since the end of last season. Replaced Collison with Jack, which I think is pretty even, replaced MoPete/Thornton with Belinelli/Green, replaced Peja/Posey/JuJu with Ariza/Pondexter, etc. If CP3 doesn’t see a vision, a plan, and substantial progress since the summer, then he really isn’t as bright as I believe he is.

      • L_Reazy

        November 20, 2010 at 6:16 pm

        ‘RobertM320’ I agree whole heartedly!

        I mean, Dell Demps is Executive-Of-The-Year. He made a promise to CP3 in that meeting this past summer, and he’s proved to be a very honest / trustworthy person. His words were, “I’ll turn this team into a contender one day.” Dell Demps has come close to doing that … his word-is-bond!

        Maybe Jeff Bower just didn’t know how to ‘wheel-n-deal’ or when to just ‘stand-pat’. Dell Demps has great timing as a GM!

        L_Reazy

    • rm

      November 20, 2010 at 6:15 pm

      I refer to my post earlier.

      If Andersen is viewed as an upgrade on POPS then Pops has gone backwards. Andersen is no way near what Pops can produce. I don’t know why he isn’t producing here but there is something not right if we are looking at Andersen as an upgrade.

      In addition everyone was telling me Pops was the backup PF and that is where he has had his few minutes. I was shot down when referring to Pops at C. As a backup C I still think he offers more given the chance. Better rebounder, better above the ring, better in transition.

      If Andersen get minutes as back up C then Pops I don’t know what you have said or done but your face just don’t fit.

      • L_Reazy

        November 20, 2010 at 6:21 pm

        POPS has gone backwards!

        I like him just like you ‘rm’ … but … he hasn’t lived up to expextations! Now, what can we say if David Andersen comes in like Willie Green and Jason Smith, and produces right away or sooner than later?

        Pops needs to step it up. That foul on Nowitzki was unforgiveable! He grabbed his damn jeresy when the Mavs were in the penalty, and the Hornets were trying to get a 2-for-1 with less than 30 seconds to go in the quarter! Oh yeah, POPS has taken a step backwards!!!

        L_Reazy

      • rm

        November 20, 2010 at 6:28 pm

        Agree that Jersey Pull was crazy. I don’t know what he was thinking however I think his head is mush and needs to get his confidence back.

        He came into the season buzzing after a great summer with the national side and a good pre season.

        I know he has flaws and not the greatest BB IQ but he has the game that Hornets need. Hussle, Rebounding and Strength.

        Andersen is a Smith clone not a C. It will be a real kick in the teeth if Anderson pushes Pops further down the bench and possibly off it.

      • AgentZiko

        November 20, 2010 at 6:33 pm

        LoL.

        I’m starting to wonder about you RM… Are you Pops trying to get a rise out of the fans and players to revolt and demand that you play, like in the movie Rudy?

        LoL.

      • rm

        November 20, 2010 at 6:42 pm

        I wish!!!

        No just a patriotic brit who sees an awesome player outside the NBA but a frustrating player within an NBA roster.

        But to have an Aussie rated higher than you it much be hard.

        At least we will win the ashes. Non Cricket fans won’t have a clue about what I have just said

      • Jochbe

        November 20, 2010 at 7:57 pm

        What about the Rugby League Ashes?

      • rm

        November 21, 2010 at 5:46 am

        Yeh but that is usually one way traffic everytime.

  16. skiele

    November 20, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I completely agree with L_Reazy

  17. James Online

    November 20, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Does someone need to be reminded that the Hornets are 10-1, could easily still be undefeated, and are playing at a very high level with the personnel they’ve got? Team success had to do with the blend of players, not just the reputations or stats of individuals in isolation. What has been so great about the Hornets so far is the way the group complements each other. The starters blend exceptionally well on both ends of the court, and key players off the bench have more than held their own (Smith, Green, Poindexter especially. Peja and Bayless have also contributed, but they are certainly not essential to the success).

    Within games individual players have sparked particular quarters or stretches of times and the balance flows from game to game as well. Someone has always been able to pick the team up when they’ve needed a spark. That is quality that this group of players has. When you make big adjustments, you run the risk of upsetting the chemistry–in this case, a chemistry that has worked to near perfection.

    I will be at the Sacramento game tomorrow and will send along my thoughts after I get back to the SF Bay area tomorrow evening. My partner (the Brazilian Beyonce) and I preside over the Northern California Marco Belinelli fan club, a group that attends all his games in this area. Look for us with our signs and uniforms (mine, Hornets), hers (Bologna) near the Hornets bench.

    • Dariusz Ejkiewicz

      November 21, 2010 at 3:15 am

      I think this post definitely needs the picture of Brazilian Beyonce so we know who to look for.

  18. James Online

    November 20, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Side note on Marco: you may have noticed the passing yesterday. They had Marco initiating the offense quite often. It is often overlooked that he can also play the point. No matter where he plays, he can initiate the offense, pass and score. Some of you have been noticing his activity level (compared, for instance, to Trevor Ariza). If other players make themselves available when Marco’s got the ball, he will get it to them to advantage. He’s a playmaker, not just a 3pt shooter. Clever with the ball.

    It was good to see Marco and David West work together on occasion yesterday as well.

  19. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Watch This Jarrett Jack reel:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ANCwIt1gE

    Did we ever see Jerryd Bayless look this under control for the Hornets this season? That would be a big N-O! … no pun intented that time!

    L_Reazy

  20. Michael McNamara

    November 20, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Did I miss something? Peja was inactive for over a week and only recently came back into the rotation. We were 100% when he never played a minute and now people worry that we are losing a quality player? I got blasted when just 6 days ago I listed him as the 8th most valuable Hornet and now people feel like we lost a real piece.

    Last time I will say this- Peja, Anderson, Banks, etc. – these guys are just contracts. No team will care about the quality of their play, just the expiration of their contracts. The backup center position is not resolved yet, but the tools are still in place to make that move. Nothing has changed, with the exception of a signifigant upgrade at backup PG.

    • sundance

      November 20, 2010 at 9:19 pm

      I understand how trading away Peja and bringing in Jarrett who can play both the 1 and 2 spots gives the team some flexibility to look for another big. And I’m assuming the Hornets will try to re-sign West in the offseason. My question is would they have enough to try to re-sign someone like Marco who’s a RFA if he should get a contract offer elsewhere?

  21. eric

    November 20, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    everytime demps makes a trade its met with this same kind of resistance no one understood the green trade either my only question is i read in the comments that jack has a little bit of an attitude problem but then i read he and paul were boys back in college can someone clear the air i hope jack doesnt start any mess thanks hope we can see them in uni tomorrow thanks

  22. rm

    November 20, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    with Peja gone maybe Pops can get back some of the minutes that Peja was playing at PF.

    Pops you haven’t got much time. Make a claim!

  23. cgrand

    November 20, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Wonder if this would have been peja + thornton if not for the trade for bayless?
    Bayless’ play made me angry…hopefully this will help keep paul’s minutes in the low 30’s
    Have to believe another move is coming, way too many corpses on the bench now (mbenga, gray, pops, banks)

    A reliable 12 man rotation is required for an 82 game slog

    • Adzs-London bee

      November 20, 2010 at 6:34 pm

      Agreed, although i get the feeling gray might be on waivers sooner rather than laters, and also, can anyone fill me in on whether mbengas contract is fully guaranteed? because he really hasn’t ”done it” for me thus far….

      • TopherPrice

        November 20, 2010 at 7:15 pm

        Gray wont ever go on wavers this season. He has a players option for next year. He also has to agree to a trade, and he can’t be traded until Dec. 15 at all.

        Gray may be traded after the 15th but he has to consent. Maybe that is why he is inactive all the time, to make him want to go ANYWHERE that he can play after busting his butt to get in shape to play at a higher level.

      • Adzs-London bee

        November 20, 2010 at 7:35 pm

        O klkl that makes sense then yh im guessing that might be part of the reason hes been sat for so long, although you never know with this new and improved regime (as they’ve proved with all their much questioned, but highly successful moves thus far)…..any ideas on mbengas contract then? from what i can remember its not fully guaranteed??

      • JCS

        November 20, 2010 at 7:52 pm

        “after busting his butt to get in shape to play at a higher level…” his preseason debut was an egregious failure and he showed us once again that he would make zero impact in the NBA. A prepubescent school girl who leads a double-life as a pop singer could ball better than Gray.

  24. Mark

    November 20, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    I’m not entirely sold on this trade seeing as I was one of the more optimistic ones regarding Predrag’s contract. No matter how applicable, It always feels a little weird getting solid, rotation players versus blockbuster players to me, but Demps has proven successful thus far.

    Much appreciation to what Predrag has done during his tenure, including renegotiating less money to help us ship him out. He did what he was supposed to do when he was healthy. Again, will miss the Peja heads.

    For reference, an old 247 article analyzing Predrag’s contract:
    http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2010/10/11/being-realistic-about-a-stojakovic-trade/

  25. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Two other things to NOTE:

    (1) If it’s a shame that Chris Paul doesn’t get enough fouls called in favor of him, then, Belinelli, while playing great fundamental defense with his hands straight-up and feet moving, has the most bad fouls called against him. Aside from that Jamison foul on the three point line where he was just a little too far underneath him / too close to him, he doesn’t committ many fouls from what I see. The refs need eye glasses!

    (2) Fans who live in New Orleans must start attending the home games. It’s starting to get ridiculous. I live in Minnesota and from what I’ve witnessed via televison was that the Miami Heat game was the only sell-out so far! As a resident of Minnesota I’d kill to go to more than just two Hornets games a year and watch ‘CP3 & the Gang’ play. It’s not like the product is bad right? Sadly, the T-Wolves benefit from me going to see my favorite team -the Hornets- in there gym. Not New Orleans!

    As an Owner you’d consider moving the team to a different city, because, obviously, most fans aren’t attending the games because they’re watching them on TV, or maybe can’t afford to go to the games due to a lack of money, or, perhaps, they invest all of their ‘fun-time money’ into the New Orleans Saints instead. No matter the reason it seems like most residence of New Orleans just watch the games on TV like a Minnesota resident like myself has to do.

    I guess if the team ends up moving to another city … it’s not a ‘personal’ decision by ownership … just a ‘business’ one! I for one want the city of New Orleans to raise that banner one day. So, give ownership a reason to stay in New Orleans, because the Hornets team has given the fans a reason to go to the games; and not cheer from your favorite couch cushion!

    L_Reazy

  26. Icebird

    November 20, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    I like this deal. Bayless had one very good game, a few moments in other games, and lots of moments to make the fans groan. The best part for me is what *wasn’t* part of the deal – Marcus Thornton. I was getting nervous that including him would be the price we would pay for unloading Peja’s contract. Even if he’s not playing now because of his defence, for the moment he still seems to be in Demps’ fuiture plans.

    At the end of last season the Hornets had three horrible, horrible, horrible contracts on their books: Peja, Peterson and Posey. This deal would unload the last of those contracts. As fans I think we get a little obsessed with the “blockbuster” trade that brings in a known superstar, but Demps seems to have done a pretty good job of improving the team across the board in incremental steps, *and* retained a fair bit of flexibility for the future while doing it.

  27. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    For all you David Andersen fans (lol) here’s the reel you’ve been waiting for.
    Picture him on the floor with Jason Smith, Jarrett Jack, Willie Green, and Thornton!
    ROLL TAPE…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZUXUd1tB8

    L_Reazy

    • Adzs-London bee

      November 20, 2010 at 8:06 pm

      Interesting…i knew from his time in europe he was a decent rebounder, and clearly he developed the skillset of a european bigman while he was out here……him and smith running pick and rolls would be great, also both are serious hustle guys on the boards with ALOT….remember Anderson was essentially bought over last year to help fill in for Yao…..he could be another under the radar piece that we just picked up….maybe even one that makes gray even more expendable, and the slow moving troll that is dj mbenga another trade asset….

    • RobertM320

      November 20, 2010 at 8:09 pm

      Seems to have a nice touch. And more range than J-Smith or West? Also, J-Smith seems only comfortable to the right of the lane, where Andersen seems to be ok from both sides. Interesting …

  28. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    ‘rm’,
    This ones for you buddy … POPS blocks David Andersen’s dunk! Enjoy!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuKl-ztkaQk&feature=related

    L_Reazy

    • Adzs-London bee

      November 20, 2010 at 8:11 pm

      Rather have Pops out there doing this than watch that slow moving troll clogging up the lane loool 😀

    • rm

      November 21, 2010 at 5:51 am

      I remember this, I like his look back at the Rockets bench, saying look what you lost.

      On the clip count Pops beats Andersen!!!

      Andersen for me doesn’t offer Hornets anything that they haven’t got. Pops on the other hand IF he can get his game back offers that aggression around the ring, both ends and fights for rebounds.

      It is going to be interesting to see what pans out. If Pops doesn’t start to show his game then I fear this isn’t going to be good for Pops.

  29. Stephen Benbow

    November 20, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Re David Andersen.
    From his time in Houston he is pretty bad defensively,racking up the fouls while playing soft. He gets his rebounds but doesn’t fight for those that don’t fall to him. He’s really a PF who plays out of position at the C.
    On the positive side he has a very nice outside shot,even tho his jack-knife motion is a bit odd. Excellent in pick-and pop and spacing the court.
    The most frustrating habit of his,for me anyway,was his absolute inability to take it strong to basket. He’s the only big I’ve seen who when he gets the ball a couple feet from basket takes a fade-away jumpshot. Yeah he makes most of them,but I’d want to scream at the TV to just slam the d*** ball,you were right there!
    Overall a nice bench big who can get hot and roll of 4-5 jumpers in a row,provided he’s set up as he can’t create his own shot,a nice guy and someone who knows what his game is and stays w/in himself.

  30. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    David Andersen is a ‘bad azz’ with bad blood for Jason Kidd … I can’t wait until the Hornets play the Mavs again.
    ROLL TAPE:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkfkIDDbJsg&feature=related

    L_Reazy

    • L_Reazy

      November 20, 2010 at 8:35 pm

      lol : > )

      Get em’ D. A. !

      L_Reazy

    • edbballin504

      November 20, 2010 at 8:44 pm

      Haha…just realized Ariza already played with Anderson. kool kool.

  31. L_Reazy

    November 20, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    David Aldridge’s take on the trade:
    ROLL TAPE:

    http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/11/20/20101120_da_noh_tor_trade.nba/

    L_Reazy

  32. Aussie_Hornet

    November 20, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Yes Jarrett Jack will be good but isn’t Willie Green the backup point guard? What’s going to happen to his minutes?

    • James Grayson

      November 20, 2010 at 9:07 pm

      No Willie Green is the backup shooting guard.

      • Aussie_Hornet

        November 20, 2010 at 9:40 pm

        Cheers. Have to say Jarrett has always been one of my favourite non-Hornet’s players so will be great to see him on the team. He deserves starter minutes though IMO.

  33. QueenBee

    November 20, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Oh goodness. Here we go with another player that needs ‘starters minutes’.

    • StefanC

      November 21, 2010 at 3:16 am

      As long as he can produce, I don’t mind giving him 20 mpg.

  34. Sportnlife

    November 21, 2010 at 2:53 am

    Just reading about the trade here. I feel pretty good that Monty saw what we all saw, which was that Bayless was going to get CP3 killed, and a real point was needed ASAP. I like what Andersen brings as another front court player whose game has to be respected. OK4 has now gotten the attention of opposing teams and he isn’t having as much success as when teams were ignoring him. He’s never going to have a dominant low post game, so the post-ups for him have been run-killers. Andersen has enough size to play critical minutes in the fourth quarter and keep the defense from clogging the lane like Dallas did the in their two games, which made 4th quarters so much tougher. I like the idea that we still have options open for a starter-quality player, but we’re getting strong enough defense at the 2 from Belli so that we don’t have to swallow Iggy’s big contract. With Jack keeping Green locked in at the 2 guard (and not moving back to point for spot duty), and able to run an offense, we’ll probably see more bench production offensively. I think the missing piece we need to compete is the helicopter: Let’s try to get a Gerald Wallace if we can pry him loose, or go after Dalembert next year.

  35. berlin-hornets

    November 21, 2010 at 2:59 am

    I like the trade, although it had the feeling of the Philly trade initially. But it is a well constructed, albeit not flashy, trade. It gives a great asset and flexibility.
    Another big man I have my eyes on and I think could be had is Jason Thompson from SacTown. He is not getting any minutes and was already shopped without much succes. He is young, skilled and big. He probably could be had for an expiring and/or a draft pick (maybe even for Marcus).

  36. StefanC

    November 21, 2010 at 3:23 am

    Random fact:

    Marcus Banks is actually friends with my high school basketball coach and he’s around all the time. The guy is pretty much a bum. I’ve been told he doesn’t practice or try to improve AT ALL anymore, and he tries to fight high school kids during pick up games at the school. SMH at him making nearly $5 million.

    • Joe Buddy

      November 21, 2010 at 11:31 am

      Banks is the complete opposite of what you just described.

  37. ur_gmas_daughter

    November 21, 2010 at 3:44 am

    Does anyone know how Jack, Anderson, (Carlton)Banks rank defensively? I mean they all came from one of the worst, if not THE worst, defensive teams in the NBA. D is a MUST on this team and I know Anderson is no lock-down Center but what about Jack/Banks?

  38. HiMyNameisSteven

    November 21, 2010 at 3:49 am

    lets c if it translatyes to the court

  39. DownUnder

    November 21, 2010 at 6:39 am

    On the court I think this trade is nothing but for the better with a PG that now doesn’t look for the drive as their first option. Jack will slow it down make the right play and even though his numbers aren’t good so far this year he is still better for the team then Bayless. Defense Im not sure about but I think his more than adequate with his height and IQ.

    David Anderson will have his impact though Im not sure what that will be and I wouldn’t worry about Banks because even if we had a PG injury I would think Willie Green is the replacement before Banks. Peja will be missed for his character and threes but players that can shoot with avg defense are not uncommon in the NBA.

    Off the court this gets interesting, Jarrett will get roughly 10 minutes less on the court playing for New Orleans. Will he care about that? I cant say because I’ve never met him but what i can say is that he will still have a significant impact on a very good team.

    Related to a personal experience I played for a good team in my towns comp where i came off the bench and didn’t like the minutes so I changed the next year onto a lesser team that i started on but we lost alot of games. Now thats probably a testament to my basketball but it wasn’t much fun playing for one of the weakest teams even though I got some more time. If I were Jarrett I would be happier in Nawlins.

    But another thing with Jack is what is his attitude with others, he wasn’t very keen on Ariza last year and we’ll see if thats going to be an issue. Will he respond well to the coach? Again I dont know but Monty is the guy that demands respect from his players.

    This is where Marcus Banks becomes interesting, if what StefanC says is true then he may be very cancerous to this team, intersting for sure.

    In the end Im only worried by the off court potential hassles. But I have full faith in Dell Demps and Coach Williams and wouldn’t trust anyone else to run this team. Assuming they made this desicion together they know that this team is better for it.

    • Joe Buddy

      November 21, 2010 at 11:40 am

      “This is where Marcus Banks becomes interesting, if what StefanC says is true then he may be very cancerous to this team, intersting for sure.”

      Banks will be the furthest thing from cancerous to your team. The guy hardly played for us (Toronto), but was a complete pro about the situation here. Always worked hard in practice, always teaching the young guys, always ready to play etc. One of our best (and only) defenders too.

      Andersen is solid too. Knocks down open shots and grabs rebounds…it’s not much but he does it consistently.

      • Steve

        November 21, 2010 at 10:28 pm

        Marcus Banks was the Mountain West Conference Defensive Player of the Year in 2002 and the Co-Defensive Player of the Year in 2003 while at UNLV.

      • DownUnder

        November 21, 2010 at 10:32 pm

        My apologies than, what StefanC said must be false information

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  41. Zwie

    November 21, 2010 at 8:51 am

    while all this trade news is very good, ive started to realize something..

    yes demps, will admit that he made a mistake, (by trading for bayless) but weren’t we saying this same exact things about bayless, that we are saying about jack now, and bayless had less negative comments i believe. we’ve had bayless for 11 games, and it obviously wasn’t working out, but what if jack doesn’t work out? are we going to just trade him as well? at some point, were either gonna run out of trade chips and draft picks, or were gonna have to say that what we have now, is what were going to stick with..

    • thechosenuno

      November 21, 2010 at 9:46 am

      I don’t think the situation with Bayless and the situation with Jack are the same. Bayless was a young bench player that coach saw potential in. Jack started every game for Toronto, and he’d be a starter on a lot of teams. So they’re in totally different places with different basketball IQs. What we need now — and I’m glad that DelMonty (love it!) sees it — is someone who’s going to make an impact immediately and allow CP3 to get adequate minutes of rest on the bench, and we need someone who’s going to give CP3 that rest this season. As coach said one time, he shouldn’t have to put CP3 back in to mop up every game. I think this goes a long way to reaching that point.

  42. RobertM320

    November 21, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I have a question: Why does it seem that all the sports new outlets seem to feel that the purpose of this trade was to get under the luxury tax cap? Weren’t we already under it, although just barely? Even the local WWL and Fox8 website articles are saying the trade was designed to get us under the luxury cap. I don’t agree. Do you?

    • 42

      November 21, 2010 at 10:44 am

      It wasn’t designed to do that, but it did it and I’m sure helped make the deal more attractive. Bad analysis and bad reporting is something I’m used to. These guys don’t pay much attention to the Hornets, so they are reporting what the major outlets are reporting probably. They are concocting a way to back out of ‘Hornets and New Orleans suck, Chris is leaving and everyone wants him but he’s not that good’ corner they’d painted themselves into by saying ‘now they fixed the cap issue and are ready to contend’.

      So says my cynicism that serves me so well.

  43. James Online

    November 21, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Jack will score but at the expense of his own teammates.

  44. eric

    November 21, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Stefan do you live in Vegas I went to high school there and only net Marcus a few times if was a little older them me but I knew his lil brother jimmy and yourfriend is right there both the biggest d bags he did try to fight high school kids me and my friends were some of them

  45. young

    November 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Hi Hornets fans,

    Pacer fan here. I notice there are a lot who don’t seem too high on this trade. It’s a great trade for the Hornets though.

    They get the best player in the deal, hands down, in Jack. You will LOVE this guy. He is tough as nails. Will make an excellent backup to CP. He can play some 2 but that isn’t really what you want him to do.

  46. Jarret Jack

    November 21, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I just lost my starting gig 🙁

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