Oh yeah one more thing, 'HiMyNameisSteven' stop suggesting that Chris Paul will stay with the Hornets because of young talent like Marcus Thornton. That is the dumbest thing you've stated thus far! Winning is the only thing that matters ... it doesn't matter if the talent is young or older! CP3 would play with the old guys from the Celtics in order to win. Use common sense bruh! L_Reazy
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'HiMyNameisSteven' ... I probably won't stop posting here. Other than the presense of your sensativity I think this is a fantastic blog that allows everyone to have a view point. I've heard a lot views that I thought were terrible, but since I don't know anyone on this forum personally I respond respectfully ... oh yeah, and it's just basketball talk, so no need to get too serious. I still don't understand what I stated that made you get so emotional. Usually when I piss people off I say a lot more than "Should the Hornets trade for Tayshaun Prince or Andris Biedrins." So, since neither of us are going anywhere ... why not keep your responses for me to yourself, and I'll do the same. A lot of people disagree with me, but they do it respectfully on this chat. Nevertheless, I'm still waiting for some of your insight Mr. Journalist ... lol! L_Reazy
'nikkoewan' ... "West dropped 20 pts on 45% shooting 84% FT 9.3 rebounds 2.4 assist 2.1 blocks 1.4 steals on Timmy Dâ€™s Spurs back in 0708 West Semis. He dropped 40 against the Orlando Magic, 44 against Houston. I canâ€™t see how he is not an all star." .... and Marcus Thornton dropped 37 on the LeBron-Cavs .... what is that suppose to mean? Sleepy Floyd, when he played for the Golden State Warriors hit 29pts in a quarter ... what does that mean? The NBA is filled with good players, but not all of them are All-Stars. Sorry, but so true! David West is a good player ... not one of the top 15-30 in the league though. By the way, great Power Forwards who are Superstars shoot over 50% from the field ... not 45%. Great guards shoot 45% ... atleast! Also, David West did not help eliminate the Spurs in that playoff series, but I agree, he had some good stats! Tim Duncan is an All-Star! L_Reazy
DX < Duncan does not mean he is not an All-Star. Count the 4s you'd rather have: Nowitski, PGasol, a healthy Garnett, perhaps? West has consistently put up quality numbers, and is clearly the 2nd option that takes this team into contention. As for Marcus, just wait and see. And he's still better than Biedrins, who I've never liked. Just don't. Injured too much and has inflated board stats because his teammates take such horrible shots.
By the way ... David West isn't really an ALL-STAR! ... Just because your chosen as an All-Star doesn't mean you really are one. Jamaal Magloire was an all-star too ... has anyone heard from him lately? L_Reazy
The fact that he got the coaches pick is what tells me he deserved to be in those games. The first nod, didn't carry as much weight as it was Byron doing the picking. But the next season as well... If he is that respected with the elite coaches in the league, maybe you should give him the same.
this genuinely made me laugh.. West not an all star? Have you seen the guy play? Magloire was an all star once. West was an all star twice and could have been thrice.... West dropped 20 pts on 45% shooting 84% FT 9.3 rebounds 2.4 assist 2.1 blocks 1.4 steals on Timmy D's Spurs back in 0708 West Semis. He dropped 40 against the Orlando Magic, 44 against Houston. I can't see how he is not an all star.
'TopherPrice', thanks for your response. To answer your question: with Andris Biedrins playing alongside Emeka Okafor, yes, I can see Emeka guarding any PF! The NBA is not about one player locking up one player, if there ever was a time. I believe it's vital to have a number of players who understand team defense and the offense it produces. As McNamara stated, West and Okafor have no chemistry on defense, and they, as a tandem, don't scare anyone. Okafor and Biedrins would display complete toughness on the block, and we as fans will begin to appreciate Okafor like the Ben Wallace of old! He doesn't have to score, but rather help produce points! The point is, you need a tandem of two BIGS to guard the post IMO ... not ... Okafor VS Garnett alone. You need a BIG on the ball, and one on the weak-side for support! David West is not a good help-side defender for Okafor. Biedrins would be. L_Reazy
I am not arguing the West/Okafor defensive chemistry point. I agree, and have agreed they didn't work well together last season since around week 2. But moving the player that contributes more is not really a solution. To your insistence that David will not be a hornet next year. I will respectfully disagree. The only way that happens IMO is if we trade him. Then I still give us a good chance of re-signing him next year when he opts out. I don't know if you saw but he is not talking extension until after the year. Between the lines, he is going to opt out. But that was pretty much a given as that is in his best interest anyway. As he is going to wait, he is going to have to do it under the new CBA unless he gets it done RIGHT after the season. New CBA is going to most likely mean he can get more years in NOLA than he can anywhere else. If he is still posting 20ppg this season and is willing to sign for around the same 7 million, the Hornets would be dumb to let him go. He is intensely loyal, very pragmatic, and I think truly sees this as his team. If the Hornets appear to be going in the right direction and he see's CP3 happy he will re-up. If all goes to hell in a handbasket, then all bets are off and your rebuilding without CP3 anyway most likely, so why would you try and resign David. Ok, I will not argue with your thought on plugging up the paint with two big men for defensive purposes. You are being a bit naive to think that having them both in the paint is somehow going to take away the step back 10ft jumper that every real PF has as their main weapon. Bosh, Garnett, Gasol, Bozer, DAVID WEST, the list goes on and on, will eat Mek's lunch with that move. You see it all the time when Mek switches to the PF and he can't help but just watch the jumper float over his outreached fingers. We would have to double his cover at all times, leaving someone open. It is not realistic. Not just that but you now have 2 guys on the court who will produce around 15-20 ppg combined. You have put the pressure completely on your wings to score. I think you don't remember what Mek looks like offensively. The reason why Tyson worked so well is because you had the scoring threat of David West. Tyson was the third offensive option on any given play. You pull David out of that equation and the offense sputters. Top it off with Biedrins being even worse offensively. Find a center with offensive skills and then I am ok with Mek being a PF, because in reality you would just be calling him PF in name only.
'TopherPrice' I respect that ... it's just tough to find trade partners with some of these contracts though ... Andris would not be my first option .... I'm just going by contracts and how they're structured! What would be a realistic trade for the Hornets and the team they'd trade with in order to upgrade our post position? L_Reazy
Just listening to Michael McNamara talk about a lack of toughness in the post for the Hornets led me to this trade for 'need-purposes', and ofcourse if one does a trade check, Biedrins' money matches up with West's and Thornton's contract. In a realistic world you have to trade as close as possible to player value and player contract; not because you wish your favorite team can get a player that you always liked. 'HiMyNameisSteven' it doesn't work that way. What were you thinking ... David West and Marcus Thornton for Dirk Nowitzski? Ofcourse! No, scratch that, maybe that trade would work for you if Marcus Thornton was taken out of the trade being that you covet the 6-4 one dimensional product from LSU. I understand that this isn't the most attractive trade, but the Hornets will not re-sign Thornton or West. Period! I know that hurts 'HiMyNameisSteven' because he is in-love with Marcus Thornton, and maybe even David West too, but those two players are only 'marginal-players' at best who rely only on their offense. I've watched a lot of Andris Biedrins, and he would be a better fit with the Hornets for rebounding (2nd-chance shots), Pick-n-Roll (alaa Tyson Chandler), and defense. He and Emeka would be tremendous together on defense, and both would get a lot of put-back points, and points off of pick-n-rolls and drop-offs. These two players will allow the Hornets to get stops on defense more often, and run more on offense so that the team wouldn't have to be in the half-court that much. 'HiMyNameisSteven' I like Marcus Thornton too, but you gotta stop getting so sensitive whenever his name is referred to in a negative way. Your boy Marcus just doesn't do enough to warrant keeping him for the future. Neither does David West. Andris Biedrins moves around as if he has wings on his feet at 6-11 / 7-0. If this trade was offered by Golden State the Hornets would be fools not to take it. This is not a dumb trade! Nevertheless, 'HiMyNameisSteven' I'd like to read a post from you that offers insight rather than just responses to what others have written. Dawg, you offer nothing to this forum. Anyone can criticize another person, but I encourage you to be less 'Skip Bayless' and more 'Hubie Brown' ... that is if you can be! L_Reazy
Reazy- u must be new then since i have posted and written plenty of journals etc. on here. now onto your bad trade again. emeka can't guard the 4 and is not even a good option at the 4 on offense. U want him and beindrins clogging up the middle so ariza cp3 bayless and everyone else cant get any buckets inside since our 4 and 5 now would have no outside game. d west works perfect with cp3 since he can space the floor and give chris room to operate. and when did scoring 20 and 8 or 9 reb make you nothing special? pretty sure david west had 2 years of all star caliber play and last year was just a down year in terms of respect since the team did nothing, but his play was consistent to how it had been years before. also, i like marcus ya. Not because he is the savior of the team but because he is one of the main reasons chris paul would stay. he wants young talent on the team and marcus is really the only player who fits the "potential" mode that we need. and your saying he doesnt warrant to be kept based off what? that he had a bad summer league? when did summer league mean anything? he averaged 20ppg over last half of season last year thats what matters and he will be a good player for this team and one of the reasons we make the playoffs please stop posting
Great chat. Couldnt come and chat since I had to work, but next time. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the Hornets themed discussion. Keep it up
Just saw this on the website...I love it: http://www.channel1media.com/hornets/2010/#/login
Perfect Trade: David West & Marcus Thornton for Andris Biedrins .... Works money-wise when we add West & Thornton in the trade being that both contracts match-up to Biedrins' Okafor can move to PF, Biedrins, who is a better rebounder than West will play Center, and there will no longer be a logjam at the guard position once Thornton has been traded to the Warriors. David West and Marcus Thornton will excel in Golden State's up-tempo style of play. David West and David Lee will form a formidable front-court, while Marcus Thornton adds depth to Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry. Win-Win trade for both teams. HORNETS: F-Okafor, F-Ariza, C-Biedrins, G-Belinelli, G-Paul F-Smith, F-Stojakovic, C-Gray, G-Green, G-Bayless WARRIORS: F-West, F-D.Wright, C-Lee, G-Ellis, G-Curry F-B.Wright, F-Radmonovic, C-Amundson, G-Williams, G-Thornton L_Reazy
When will people stop trying to move Mek to the PF spot. Have you guys watched him play? He doesn't have the quickness to keep up with the top 15-20 PF on defense, nor does he posess the offensive skills in the paint, not to mention about zero jumpshooting skill, to be an offensive threat. I know we are stuck with him and we would love a dominant bigger center, but we cant think we can put a square peg in a round hole just to justify moving David to get a center.
I think if we have a chance at a dominant center in FA or trade, then you take it even though you are stuck with Mek for the now. If you could get say, Horford, then grab him, pay the tax till you can give away mek for say a first rounder or something. Maybe there will be an amnesty or something post new CBA that helps. My main point is that anyone who thinks Mek can play the 4 because we trade away David is kidding themselves. That kind of move would make us a lotto team. Can you imagine Mek trying to guard Garnet and Gasol? Much less trying to score on either.
i think a better route is to find a long 4 -- maybe Splitter? how about Tyrus? i certainly would have liked it if Yi was a Hornet :)
@L-Reazy- please stop posting ur horrible trades on these posts. Can we set up a forum for the worst trade ideas so that L_Reazy can throw his ideas to bring the hornets down on there. And since you always say u want explanation here you go- West > Biendrins and IMO MT5>Biendrins so why would we give two cheap options up for an expensive one who is hurt 75% of the time and has no offensive skill. Makes no sense better luck next time
So what time would 12:30 PM CDT be in the Philippines? Kinda lost with all the daylight saving thingy.
I have to say: This hornets247 blitz in the past few days has been impressive. Chat, video, podcast, round table. Good job, guys. Well planned, well executed. Anything planned for game day? Thread for exuberance? Hornets Parkour? If you're not excited for opening night, you need to change medications.