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In the NO Podcast Episode 136: Bucksketball, and Point Guards of the Future

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Published: May 12, 2013
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Michael and I are joined by Jeremy Schmidt of Bucksketball to talk Point Guards! We grill him on Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis, and Michael can’t help but talk about how he always wanted Larry Sanders. For years. We get it, Michael.

Then, we talk Eric Gordon’s injury. Sound off! 504-322-3333.

Enjoy the Podcast!

28 comments
cell22
cell22

Finally got a chance to listen to this.  I actually agree with Jeremy.

I prefer my players to have something they can do above most other players, a skill that they can use even if they also have bigger deficits.  I've never understood an infatuation with Jennings because after watching a decent amount of Bucks games I can't even tell you what skill he has greater than the average player.  He's essentially acceptable in every category and although a change of scenery and coaching may be good for him I still have a hard time seeing him being much of a net positive on a good team.  And as for Michaels argument that he never had players he could defer to I disagree.  Monte can spot up, Ersan is a decent offensive player, Gooden was decent, and he didn't do anything to help players like Sanders, Udoh, or Mbah Moute get easy buckets.

If I were to purge any non-Sanders player from that team I'd go with Mbah A Moute before Jennings or Ellis.

houp garou
houp garou

amen on the thoughts about the simmons trade value article. when I read that I also had anthony #3 in my mind. by his comments it seems he hasn't seen enough to recognize the big easy's offensive potential. The only one who I would consider outside the top 2 is drose though obviously how much explosiveness he's lost with his acl kills that deal. while dirk and duncan defitinely deserve their asterisks for being franchise cornerstones with one team, there is no chance cuban fails to pull the trigger if the offer is made. of course the icing on the cake for us with anthony that someone like simmons fails to factor is that in the era of small markets being unable to retain megastars, we've got 7 years of anthony, watching him blossom and having the opportunity to convince him to be a one franchise star like the ones mentioned above. that's something that you don't give up.

Nola86
Nola86

The Pelicans will have a good offseason with an blockbuster trade. Pelicans get Eric Bledsoe,Willie Green,Grant Hill (Who will be waived after the trade and the Clippers 25th overall pick The Clippers get Robin Lopez,Vasquez and the 2013 top 5 draft pick. Now some of you wondering why the Clippers would exchange 1st rd choices because the top 5 picks will most likely be starters once the season starts and most late round picks will be players that will be redshirted for next season or play late in games or later in the season. Draft Lucas Nogueria (C) Brazil Nogueria is a raw talent,solid rebounder,good insider scorer and good defender.It'll take a season or two till his game is in a higher level and add more bulk and weight.He'll be the 3rd center off the bench and wont be needed unless we've a huge lead and get some playing time or losing by 20 i hope we don't go throu that again. As for free agency I say sign Al Jefferson,Corey Brewer,Will Bynum and re sign Aminu. (C) Jefferson-Smith-Nogueria (PF) Davis-Anderson-Thomas (SF) Brewer-Aminu-Miller (SG) Gordon-Rivers-Green (PG) Bledsoe-Bynum-Roberts

Zombian
Zombian

I don't know if its relevant to anyone else but I like to put the episodes on my mp3 player and its a pain in the butt not having a link to it. For all those who miss out because of that here's a link to all the mp3s of these. http://hornets247.libsyn.com/

Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes

We need to be more regular with those. Do you want the rss for that?

cell22
cell22

@Jason Calmes I have it but in case anyone else sees this the rss is http://hornets247.libsyn.com/rss

cell22
cell22

I like the new interface but no more Zombian.  I guess you're pretty used to the name switches eh 420ft Jesus?

Nola86
Nola86

Time to trade the this years 1st because we can get a better draft pick in 2014

come on pelican
come on pelican

It's barely relevant to anything being discussed, but it's interesting to me to see the success that the teams where former Hornets (Landry, Jack, JR Smith, DWest, Tyson, even Belinelli) are playing are having in the playoffs this year. The one who crashed and burned the worst in the post-season -- and who for that reason we should not want back in New Orleans -- is Chris Paul. His only enjoyment during the playoffs is seeing himself on commercials and stringing out Clippers fans and management just like he did with the Hornets a few years ago. Good riddance, I say, because even though he's great when surrounded by fantastic players (a la the Olympics and the NBA All Star Game) he will never lead any NBA team deep into the playoffs.

Hank
Hank

If we were to pull off this trade with the clippers I'd love for us to grab their first round pick as well and then use it and our pick to trade up and get Mclemore. I think he would be the perfect player to pair with Bledsoe and Davis if he can reach his potential as a shooter

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

Still haven't listen to the podcast yet. However the PG discussion starts with Trey Burke for me. The criticism about his athleticism is more about his style of play than him not being an NBA caliber athlete. If you can consistently beat defender without going all out why? Just like we know he can get off the floor (as evident from the Siva block or his recent workout video) yet he barely dunks in games and even then they are barely at the rim. Same with the defensive concern. I've seen him lock up on defense. This kid dominated college basketball and there's evidence that he didn't play to his full athletic potential. There's always the chance that he doesn't know how to play at full speed. We've seen cases like that before, but if this kid was simply pacing himself accordingly to the level of talent he'll be one of the best at his position for many years to come.

Hank
Hank

Burke's offensive game scared me a little bit as well as has defense. In the tournament he really struggled offensively when he was matched up against length

Hank
Hank

Shane Larkin and Khalif Wyatt lit up Brown too and Marcus Smart had one of his better scoring games of the season against him. Brown may be long but he's a lazy defender so that kind of negates it. Burke did play pretty well defensively in that one though

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

If you think he can't play against length go back and watch the NC State game. Lorenzo Brown(a pro prospect) is 6'5 Burke had 18pts 11ast 0tos and shot 56% from the field.

Hank
Hank

But what my point is is that if he cant penetrate then his shooting percentage and efficiency plummet. Look at almost any game he had against a long athletic defensive minded team. Both games against Indian, the game against florida, even the game against Louisville against a very overmatched Siva he had 4 turnovers in 26 minutes he just happened to be extremely hot from 3. Im just saying hes athletic enough to penetrate against these college point guards but Im afraid that he wont be able to do that as regularly against the points in todays game and he will have to resort to the off balance mid range shots that we saw against Syracuse

da ThRONe
da ThRONe

The only game he struggled in was ND State and Syracuse. He just missed shots he normal makes against the Jack Rabbits and Syracuse zone prevents penetration. Not sure what length he struggled against.

Jared
Jared

Let us all remember how fortunate we are to have a bonafide star in Davis. I felt sorry for Bucks fans listening to Jeremy talk haha

Hank
Hank

when can player for player trades be made?

Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes

they can be unoffically made anytime, but typically these things just happen around the draft. nothing is officially submitted until the end of the moratorium so that the NBA can set the cap etc.

Nola86
Nola86

I perfer Bledsode he has upside and can start for a team and since the Clippers want CP3 back for the long term.Bledsoe would be a great trade as long an 1st rd pick wont be involved because Oladipo should be our draft choice.As for Gordon i'll trade but at the trading deadline unless they find a traging partner this offseason willing to take him off our hands. Pelicans-Clippers trade Clippers get Lopez and Vasguez Pelicans get Bledsoe Willie Green and Grant Hill Green will be on the Pelicans roster and Hill will be release after the trade.Then sign Al Jefferson,D.J Augastin and Johan Petro C Jefferson Smith Petro PF Davis Anderson Thomas SF Aminu Oladipo Miller SG Gordon Rivers Green PG Bledsoe Augastin Roberts

JayDogon
JayDogon

Am I wrong to feel like Bledsoe could be just as good, if not better than even the 3 players we want in the draft? Also, something I like about Bledsoe is because he probably won't be amazing scorer it's possible his contract won't be as high as maybe it should be.

Joe P
Joe P

What do the writers of BS Shots know from the front office that the rest of us don't? Has the Pelicans brass commissioned BS Shots to try to sell the idea of Jennings here? Has the NBA decided that he has to come here and BS Shots is trying to soften the blow? What's the deal? Why does BS Shots have such an obsession with Brandon Jennings? He's clearly not a good NBA point guard. He's faster than Vasquez. That's it. Jennings would be a fine back-up, but because he had one awesome game as a rookie he's going to make $10M a year or something like that. Let some other team deal with that horrible value. He's a bad shooter; from 3 all the way to the hole. He can't guard big 2s. He's not a leader on or off the court. He- like Vasquez -struggles against the press. Brandon Jennings is at best an average NBA guard, with major flaws. Jennings is the third best free agent guard on the Bucks right now. I'd take Ellis' mercurial scoring and underrated attitude or Reddick's all-around game over Jennings, even based on the Pelicans needs. I understand the desire to replace Vasquez, but Jennings isn't an upgrade on the court, and with salary taken into account his arrival would signal the end of optimism for the Anthony Davis era. Brandon Jennings? Why so much talk about Brandon Jennings?

Jason Calmes
Jason Calmes

Each writer decides what to write or talk about. There is no site opinion on any issue. You raise fair points, and many were raised on this podcast, making that info available to others. These points were raised by a guest that was known to not be a fan on Jennings. Talking about someone does not equate to talking well about someone. He is a RFA with a biy of a profile, therefore, he should be discussed.

ClubLevelHank
ClubLevelHank

Live in Milwaukee now and went to a good number of Bucks games. Brandon Jennings is horrible - do not want. He is so tiny and unimpactful on defense. When his shot isn't falling he is next to useless on offense as well. Ellis is way more desirable as he will at least remain a spark plug, get to the rim and dish when his shot isn't falling. The only way he'd be palatable to me is if his recent slide allowed us to get him for a bargain ($7 to $8MM) and would be easily movable due to a nice contract. No way I'd pay the $10MM to $12MM that a lot of people were expecting back when he was considered a "borderline All-Star".

504ever
504ever

Yeah, someone else speaks the truth about Jennings!

ClubLevelHank
ClubLevelHank

Brandon Jennings also isn't a good locker room guy - I watched him closely from the trade deadline on given the many Hornets/Pelicans mentions he received. He has an air of indifference about him - on the court, on the bench, during interactions with his teammates (pregame, during timeouts), etc. it's just not the kind of guy a young Hornets team needs IMO - especially until we get EG10 resolved. I'd much rather a good lockerroom/hustle guy like CP3 (duh) or Bledsoe because you get the feeling that might bring the best out of Gordon.

ClubLevelHank
ClubLevelHank

Really good podcast - was feeling mopey about work this morning but the last hour passed pleasantly. Thanks much.

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