Gordon gets max offer from PHX and says that where he wants to play. Can NO match and sell Gordon as a centerpiece of the team? Kind of hard to swallow. Or, do they save face, do a sign and trade, and move on? I'm betting on the latter.
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Rockets Putting Together Package for Eric Gordon
Full of young assets, the Rockets switch their focus to Eric Gordon
[Update] Eric Gordon is meeting with Houston today, which is exactly what I was told will happen when given this infor last night. Houston, and every other team that is interested, are fully aware Hornets will match any offer but are still hopeful that a sign and trade can be worked out. Hornets have not told the Rockets (not sure what they have told the other teams) that a sign and trade is a firm No. Keeping all options open.
The Houston Rockets have a ton of young assets and some old veterans who are not fascinated about the idea of playing for coach Kevin McHale for another year. I have been told by an extremely reliable source that they are getting packages together to go after some premier names, one of which is Eric Gordon. The Rockets believe that if they attempt to sign Gordon, that the Hornets will simply match, so they are attempting to do a sign and trade instead.
The sign and trade offer will center around Kevin Martin and the Rockets will allow the Hornets to choose either two or three of their young prospects- Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Patrick Patterson, Terrance Jones, and Donatas Montiejuns. It is no secret that the Hornets targeted Kevin Martin last summer in the original CP3 trade, and Dell Demps has been fond of Montiejunas for some time now. Again, this will be the Rockets starting point- who knows where Dell can take it.
All that being said, if not for Eric Gordon’s injury issues this would be a non-story because the Hornets would never move a 23 year-old budding All-Star caliber player for a package like this, but the injury concerns are legitimate. While Dell and Monty continue to say that they want Gordon back, all options have to be considered, especially now that it appears that Gordon is going to get at least one max offer in the next two weeks. If the Hornets were 100% sold on Gordon and willing to give him a max deal, they would have done so last January. Instead, they offered him 8-10 million dollars below the max figure, partly because they did not think the market would dictate they pay him those kinds of dollars considering he played just 9 games last year.
So here the Hornets are forced to make a decision between paying Gordon max money or taking less than equal value for him. There are pros and cons to each side, and that is why Dell gets paid to do this for a living. Will he roll the dice and pony up the cash for a guy who has been in a suit more than in a uniform over the past two years, or will he acquire more assets and look to spend his money on someone else down the line? We’ll know the answer sometime in the next two weeks.
Just wanted to throw this out there... What would a package of Eric Gordon and Jack be worth? Would Hornets fans accept Lowry, Courtney Lee and Royce White? Could we then go after J McGee to be our starting centre? We could then trade Lee for a SF to fill out our least productive position right? I like the idea of Lowry, Lee/Rivers, Aminu, Davis, McGee Vasquez, Lee/Rivers, White, Landry, Smith/Ayon
This is the best news I have heard all day. I was initially hoping that Kidd, Nash, or Andre Miller would come here. But they're all looking elsewhere and if they do a sign and trade, I would take Kevin Martin, Terrence Jones, Montejunas and/or Lowry. We still need a point guard and hopefully this will give us enough flexibility to sign Sessions or someone of his caliber.
Here is a piece with quotes from Gordon on his free agency journey and specific comments toward the Rockets. http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/rockets-meet-with-hornets-free-agent-guard-eric-gordon-today/
lowry is a nice player, but I would be willing to trade EG for the following: next yrs #1 Montiejunas - need a big Lamb - another good SG to replace EG R White - versatility to play PF and SF, little nuts but can bal Kelvin Martin - work on trade offers before doing this trade
This was somewhat covered in the CBA FAQ, but one more question: let's say the Rockets sign Gordon to an offer sheet. Can we then match-and-trade him, or does he have to originally sign with us in order to sign-and-trade him? My understanding is that we can, but to any team except the Rockets in this scenario.
Watching golf so it's easy to multi-task! Mike Wells, who reports the Pacers, said via Twitter that Gordon met with Pacers earlier today. PHX tomorrow. Houston today, too. Lots of teams in the hunt.
If it was up to me I would just amnesty J Jack now, match whatever offer is out there for Gordon and offer Nicolas Batum a 4yr/48 million deal even if we have to do a sign and trade with Portland to give back either Aminu or Xavier Henry and call it a day. Get a Kwame Brown or Turiaf at the Center position I don't even care and have a nucleus of Rivers at PG, Gordon at SG, Batum at SF, Davis at PF and find role players attached with them. Monty invested 2 years in developing Batum so the relationship is there if we make a fair offer I strongly feel Batum would rather come here. Just my 2 cents.
Jason, what I meant above is that a team like Houston wouldn't be able to hold up or rob NO if Gordon's agent has another max deal in hand. They'll have to offer more to NO to get the trade involving Gordon done. Gordon's agent can take him to the 2nd team (Phoenix, perhaps) but wants NO to get a good enough deal that NO agrees to the deal with Houston, Gordon's first choice. Of course, I'm creating a hypothetical example to try to make my point. What NO could do is say to Gordon's agent that they can work a deal with PHX but not HOU. Again, hypothetical. Finally, Gordon has leverage at day's end, risking lots of $s by playing put his contract and becoming an UFA next summer. Then, NO ends up getting nothing or trading without any negotiating strength.
Random question. Does the new owner seem willing to go over the cap and pay the luxury tax for the right player? I know we won't have to to re-sign Gordon , but there are alot of players out there I would love to see in a Hornets uniform.
If the Hornets were to re-sign Gordon.Benson should get an insurrance policy on Gordon in case they would to amnesty him in a few years.So it wont affect our cap in the future.
This is very unlikely. Late last night Ken Beger from CBS tweeted that the Rockets aren't packaging Kevin Martin in any trades right now. They like his expiring contract.
Two ways 2 go: 1) sign E.Gordon to the max for 4yrs/58 mil (that's Gordon price and offer. That's what he's looking 4 in teams.) As a wise man who name I can't think once said " You Gotta think, if You don't want to hurt your bank."Only way I'll trade E.G. is through 3-team trade deal that involves us getting a 1st Rnd Draft pick, a superstar that is less known for being one, another C or PG all bundle up in that deal.
As a rookie, this player missed 25 games. Then, 5, 7, 31, 31. He missed 17 games this season. With this track record, would you want him on your team? Would you have offered him a long term contract? Who will be the first to answer who this player is?
@Nolakid, thanks for the link....interesting read...especially the part when he brings up being traded from the Clippers. But after reading It I kinda feel like he wants to play with us, but he's unsure about the His and Hornets' future!
Let me guess before I click... statements that make it seem like he'd like to play for the Rockets... yup.
There's a year mortorium on trades generally without the player's approval, and he can't be traded by us to a team whose offer sheeti he signed while he's on that contract. Also, we can't match-sign-and-trade.
@Veezy you bring up a valid point. JJ has earned his 5mil and we could use him this year as he is a viable backup at point. Hell, what am I saying, at this point he is the starter until Austin proves himself at PG. I doubt they would start Vasquez over JJ too! And yes in the interest of changing the perception about N.O. to bring in players they def won't do a player dirty right now!
I agree w/ Ian H -- Batum is a huge upgrade @ the 3, something we really need to compete for a conference title &, in most cases, will likely need eventually. Meanwhile, Vasquez, Gordon & Rivers can share the minutes @ guard & we can find a backup PG, like FA Scott Machado. We can also make do with a journey-man center, to share minutes w/ Smith & Davis. The Davis-Batum-X line-up may give us an edge over Davis-McGee-Aminu, and, w/ Monty's connection, may be more likely to happen.
They'll have his bird rights and will be able to do these sign-and-trade deals if he picks up the QO, so don't just focus on the one scenario. As you pointed out, there are counters to every move in the dance you laid out.
Let him make a signing first. Most teams are over the cap, and few teams will be over the tax going forward. Ignore these distractions.
it's two different leauges and two different contracts.Brees will get his but at 33 years of age he's worth a long term deal as long as he has the best offensive line through out his tenure with the Saints.As for Gordon the Hornets ownership will think about this because theres a risk factor with Gordon yes alot of you don't mind taking a risk but you talking money and games he play.It's better to be smart than dumb and take a sign and trade.I don't mind the Blazers giving up Myers Leonard,Wes Matthews and a 2013 1st rd pick which you filp for another player.I doubt that would happen but just a thought
We have addressed this so many times on our site that I can't believe an avid commenter such as yourself doesn't know that this is not a possibility. Please read: http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2012/06/24/hornets-cba-faq-part-one-eric-gordon-anthony-davis-and-cp3/
Driving up value using the guy who guaranteed Chris Paul wouldn't play a minute in New Irleans in 2010-2011. Every player loves everywhere unless they are max guys. Every team loves their players because they are such great assets.
There was a time when Wade was considered injury prone. Even now, he always seems to be injured but he plays through it.And I hate to break it to you but he was and is better than Gordon probably ever will be. Also, it's great in hindsight to say that Wade broke the trend, but like MM said there are arguments for both sides. Blake Griffin and Greg Oden both missed their entire rookie years with (I think they both had) microfracture surgeries. Blake obviously came back just fine. Oden...not so much. There's no guarantee that Gordon will follow Wade's pattern.
You are referring to Dwayne Wade of course, although your numbers are a little off. It is 21, 5, 7, 31, and 31- and this argument has been made multiple times before, but what people who bring up this argument fail to do is make a fair and balanced argument- one in which they also show players who got injured early in their career and continued to be injury prone. There is an exception to every rule, but the norms are the norms because they occur more frequently than the exceptions. The fact is that nobody on earth can predict Gordon's future, so to point to this player or that player as an example of what might occur is a red herring. Nothing to see there. Valid arguments on both sides, no right answer yet.
Are we worried about Wade or the general patterns associated withplayers who miss games consistently or this one guy? Which is more informative?
If Im right Eric will work out for other teams to try to get a max offer that the hornets will match, & Eric knows that so why not workout for another team to make you an offer that we will match & make max money. Doesn't mean he doesn't want to be a hornet to me, just sounds like he wants to get paid (& who doesnt?)
Isn't that the point? Hornets are dragging their feet in giving him a max contract and he wants to drive the price up. I just feel like he doesn't want to play here.
No he doesn't really say that. Just that he wants to play for competing team. I feel like no one is going to offer a max contract. Suns I heard will give 4/48 and who knows what the Pacers are really trying to do.
I know that's it's a business but jack is on an one year deal. You don't treat people like that especially a guy that single handily tried to hold this ship together last year.
Thank you, someone with a vision. Centers are now undervalued in this league. It's a perimeter league now so having a Rivers, Gordon, Batum, and Davis nucleus with the oldest player being Gordon who will be 24 on Christmas is a phenomenal core. There shouldn't be any arguing that. Monty has a relationship with Batum, has a lead player in Gordon and will be able to mold both Rivers and Davis from scratch. When crunch time comes the lineup would be Gordon, Rivers, Batum, and Davis and another perimeter player, period. Just go look at the Finals and you could see that as clear as day.
@Bama Yes and No, Benson doens't know much about sports so he leans heavily on his GM and Coaches. That's why he had Mickey Loomis come over and sit next to Demps becasuse he trust his opinion. Benson won't make the decision himself to go over cap and if you ask him directly he'd said "I would hope I wouldn't have to because i'm already $338mil in the hole" But if a combo of Loomis, Dell, and Monty said "Mr. Benson this guy is the next Micheal Jordon but we need to go over cap to get him" then he may consider it. I doubt he does it though!
We're assuming we pay the max (I'm hoping no other team offers him the max) Then Gordon prolly get's his first becasuse NBA can sign on 11 July, Gordon wants to rap this up so he can do London, and Brees situation will get done the Friday b4 camp starts on the 16th....which happens to be Friday the 13th.....ok maybe Brees signs on Thurdsay the 12th!
Fortunately, our economic system permits an individual to seek out opportunities. The NBA owners and players have worked out a deal to allow guys like Gordon to play elsewhere. I envision Gordon getting two or more max offers (Houston and Phoenix likely), going back to NO and letting them know their preferred team. NO negotiates the best deal they can. The preferred team knows Gordon has a 2nd max offer in hand, so they can't hold up NO. End result, Gordon is gone.
The point is he'll get offers and thr Hornets are in charge unless he signs the QO or doesn't sign any deal. There is no feet dragging... the market sets the value.
And when they sign him... what do we get? Or do you mean there will be a sign and trade? And Gordon not signing with that other team has no effect on the 'hold up'? I think you need to work through the subtleties.