Game On: Hornets @ Nets

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Published: February 9, 2011

Before I get to the game, I want to hammer a point home:  Those of you blaming Monty Williams for the past few losses – you’re wrong.  The reason the Hornets are losing is because of the talent level behind their starters. It’s well documented that the Hornets subs are terrible, and in fact,  Only Aaron Gray, David Anderson and Marcus Thornton are producing at a higher level than replacement – and we’re only talking barely higher.  None of them are producing above average at their positions.

So, essentially, this team has lost its two best defenders and replaced them with two of its worst in Aaron Gray and the inexperienced rookie Quincy Pondexter.(he’s a rookie and he’s not yet savvy or strong enough to be a shut down defeder, sorry)  The result is the Hornets are scoring the same amount per posession they have all season since Gray/Anderson and Pondexter aren’t far from Okafor/Ariza offensively, but the team’s defense has slipped dramatically, falling two spots in the rankings in just over 4 games.

What do you think Monty can do to solve this?  Make Willie Green grow 4 inches?  Make Pavlovic absorb the defensive schemes via a brain link like the one in the Matrix?  Instantly improve Gray and Mbenga’s agility and Andersen’s strength?

It seems many of you simply want Monty Williams to damn the torpedoes and go full speed ahead by playing Marcus Thornton.  Well, Marcus Thornton is scoring 1.065 per shot this season.  Remember that Trevor Ariza guy we ridicule for his awful offense?  He scores 1.097 points per shot.

We can scream “Potential” – I know I have multiple times this season – but that doesn’t change the fact the team actually scores LESS per posession when Marcus is playing this season.  So here’s the reality – Thornton is not likely to help the team score enough to make this team overcome it’s injury-related defensive deficiencies, even given more playing time.  There is no magic bullet.

Rant over, Game time.

Matchup: Hornets(32-21) @ Nets(15-37)

Off Efficiency: Hornets 103.4(18th), Nets 99.6(27th)
Def Efficiency: Hornets 100.0(5th), Nets 106.2(16th)

The Nets are a terrible offensive team due to their offensive struggles.  Surprisingly, they actually have a trio of competent scorers in Morrow, Lopez, and Harris.  Instead their issues derive from high turnover numbers, terrible offensive rebounding, and a slew of roleplayers who can’t shoot to save their lives, but really, really like to shoot.

As always, with the wounded team the Hornets are fielding right now, there is some concern they’ll drop one to a team they shouldn’t lose to.  I have a feeling, however, that after the debacle against Minnesota, that our guys will have enough pride to not less this one to go the same way.

Injuries:

Hornets: Emeka Okafor and Ariza will still be out.
Nets: Jordan Farmer will most likely return from injury tonight.

Positional Analysis

PG: Devin Harris v Chris Paul
Advantage: Hornets
Harris is what makes the Nets at all dangerous.  His shooting hasn’t been good, but he’s still efficient by getting a large number of free throws.  He’s also key to the rest of his team’s offensive attack by breaking down the defense of the opposing team and finding Morrow or Lopez for finishes.  Of course, he’s still no Chris Paul.

SG: Anthony Morrow v Marco Belinelli
Advantage: Nets
Morrow started the season pretty badly, but of late, Harris has picked up his playmaking and Morrow has benefited by drilling a high percentage of his shots over the last month and a half.  His shooting numbers keep climbing, and he’s now scoring 1.318 points per shot.  That’s some efficiency, and it makes up somewhat for the fact he makes Marco Belinelli look like a champion rebounder and he produces in a whole game less assists and steals than Chris Paul does in the first 2 minutes of a game.

SF: Travis Outlaw v Quincy Pondexter
Advantage: Even
Yes, Quincy has not produced anything that great in his time on the floor.  Travis Outlaw, however, has been laying a big turd of a season so far.  1.053 points per shot on terrible shooting percentages and a pair of free throws a game.  No rebounding, blocks, assists, or steals to speak of.  He’s been downright awful.  Pondexter won’t have the defensive challenges this game he had against Beasley in Minnesota.

PF: Derrick Favors v David West
Advantage: Hornets
Favors has the frame to be a solid big, but right now his rebounding and shooting numbers are average, and his turnover rate is abysmal – as you’d expect for a rookie labeled as “raw”.  I expect West to use his veteran savvy to control this contest with little difficulty.

C: Brook Lopez v Aaron Gray
Advantage: Nets
Lopez is an awful, awful rebounder, and if you look at his shooting percentages this season, he’s not that impressive either.  However – though his rebounding numbers haven’t improved, his scoring has dramatically improved over the last month, and he’s been scoring about 22 points on 53% shooting over that span.  He’s getting to the line more, and simply scoring in the post more than he had to start the season.  Some blame his early start on mononucleosis he caught during the summer.  That may be, but for now, I expect him to torch Aaron Gray.

Bench
Kris Humphries, Sasha Vujacic, Jordan Farmer, Johan Petro, Ben Uzoh, Quinton Ross vs
Marcus Thornton, Jason Smith, Sasha Pavlovic, Willie Green, Jarret Yack
Advantage: Nets
Humphries is a very strong rebounder and fairly efficient scorer.  His size prevents him from being that great as a defender in the paint, but he’s a good third big on any team.  Sasha Vujacic produces the scoring punch off the bench, though he’s low efficiency, and never gets to the line.  Together, they provide enough oomph off the bench that they surpass what the Hornets have been getting from their bench.  Maybe Andersen and Pavlovic will continue their solid play and even this out, but I’m not yet ready to count on that.

Enjoy the game!

277 comments
Rocco
Rocco

Hated the loss to the lowly nets. But, Grey looked like he can become a more physical presense in the front court than what we have coming off the bench in the front court. Belinelli gets benched as a starter. He come out and scores 17 after half time and is 5 of 7 from three pt range. Go figure.

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

Im sorry but this game was flat out embarassing we NEED MEK BACK BADDDDDDD.... and really marcus 6 min and west and chris over 50. im sorry monty but ur really starting to look like a rookie coach with that one. I realize they are our best players but u got to get them some rest. if chris is well rested he is making those shots at the end. I thought marco played well and im glad he did. Cant believe marcus didnt play more im starting to get really fed up with it. he didnt look bad at all out there had one bad missed shot thats it. jack played the worst defense ive ever seen and gave up so many offensive rebounds that marcus would not have. sorry monty u have to recogniuze these things

Hornet
Hornet

you should be a coach. you seem to know what you're doing.

Hornet
Hornet

yeah i agree chris' minutes were insane considering how bad he played. i think monty knew we needed a win so he pushed the minutes. we've got orlando and chicago next. if we lose both which is looking likely unless okafor and ariza are back for chicago, then that's 6 in a row. paul should've gotten the typical 35 minute game + 5 with OT being 40, not 50. the extra 10 should've gone to MT. Belinelli and green played very well though, can't deny that.

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

loved to be coach for this team just not right now haha. i understand its really tough shuffling the line up with our 2 guards playing so streaky, our by far best center out, and really our only talented 3 out, but i really disagree with playing those guys over 50 minutes and then having jack in there when he was not doing the one thing monty says is our team philosophy defense and defensive rebounding

Hornet
Hornet

HiMyNameIsSteven = Monty's Doghouse = Just A Fan = SJ = Hordan Just go away.

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

hornet i have only one account stop talking unless you have something usefull to say

Hornet
Hornet

ah right im thinking of beesgivingeffort. got if confused for w/e reason

Hornet
Hornet

oh, my bad steven. i thought i remember you saying you switched your name to monty's doghouse.

HiMyNameisSteven
HiMyNameisSteven

and if u think i am the same as those guys look at other posts since i tend to disagree with alot those guys say... they are very very very pro marcus being a starter playing 30+ min and hate jack willie and marco.... if u actually read my stuff i never say this stuff and am fine with amrcus off the bench as long as he gets the minutes he should get and should get with starters, and do think the other guys are solid bench contributors

42
42

The evidence points to all these folks being distinct people.

Just A Fan
Just A Fan

Well I can't wait to see what rabbit Monty pulls out of his hat next game. I mean he did such a fantastic job against a 15 win team, I'm sure Orlando is shaking in their shoes. I mean he's on the fast trac to coach of the year...right behind B. Scott.

JaeAmazin
JaeAmazin

Too Much Bashing going on..Were gonna be ok..Just like we can lose 4 straight..We can win 6 straight..Shots just didnt fall tonight

MaxALM
MaxALM

Dear Hornets, you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck Jack sucks you suck you Jack can't play D you suck you suck you suck Jack let Vujacic score 25+ points you suck you suck

usufruct
usufruct

i'm pissed chris played as much as he did. that was stupid.

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

*Rumor* The Hornets are looking to trade Aaron Gray after his latest strong performance for a backup wingman after discovering that Jarrett Jack can play all 5 positions very poorly.

JCS
JCS

At what point did you turn into a troll and how many accounts do you have?

Schmide234
Schmide234

He has like 5 JCS. he changes them so people will leave him alone but then makes it blatently obvious who he is by his pessemistic and mean comments.

JCS
JCS

I'm not using anyone's jokes. It's just remember you commenting that you changed your name from BeesGiving Effort to Monty's Doghouse. But why? Doghouse is a trolltastic name and writing stuff like "Jarrett Jack can play all 5 positions very poorly" seems like you're just asking for attention. Do you have more than one account or no?

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

Come on now. Using Ziko's jokes is pretty damn lame. Other people are fed up with Marcus not playing. It happens. People on other sites are not so generous towards Monty as they are on this one.

madtown27
madtown27

Green had a awesome game, 19 points in 33 minutes! Oh wait zero assist and 1 reb. Also no forced turnovers, if we wanted SG who could just score then we could have played Marcus....Oh wait our most explosive guard got 2 minutes while Jarret Jack played 27 half of that at the 2 guard...If we were going to play our back up PG at SG why wouldn't you keep Bayless. Also David Anderson who shoots over 50% for us gets 2 minutes. FUBAR and last but not least over 48 minutes for Paul and David and we still lose to a 8 win team.

Hornet
Hornet

Green really stepped up man... And I hate Green. But if it weren't for him we would've been down at half time by a good 10 points or so. Paul's minutes were the reason Thornton's minutes went down. On Paul's worst game in a LONG time, I have NO clue why he played so many damn minutes.

Gec
Gec

End of the fourth: CP3 Jumper for the win, around the basket and goes out During the ot: CP3 Jumper from 18 feet, around the basket and goes out 8 secs left in the OT: Willie Green jumper for the tie, around the basket and goes out End of the fourth: CP3 for three for the win, around the basket TWO TIMES and GOES OUT OMG Meanwhile Sasha Vujacic 25 points. WTF?!?! Is there some kind of curse on the hornets?

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

It's called being tired. Monty asked way to much of the 1.5 legged wonder tonight.

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

Monty's decision to use Jack as our main 2 guard cost us this game. A) Paul had to play 50 minutes because we didn't have Monty's favorite "Backup PG" B) Jack couldn't guard Vujacic. I was joking when I said they'd combine for 80 minutes.

seb
seb

oo and thornton doesnt play at all the second half. i know this forum doesnt like talking about this, but cmon. he should atleast get on the court when we have 3 players not playing!!! Bad decisions!

Schmide234
Schmide234

our 2 guards are what kept us in the game. without belli and green there was not game

JayRey
JayRey

Is it a bad idea to disown this team for a couple of days??? There's no excuse to be playing THIS bad. I didn't know the absence of Ariza and Okafor would've made this team look like a lottery one

seb
seb

seriously the nets!!! we have problems right now. this is the worse ball ive seen all year. nothing went right tonight. yea the game was close, but we had every opportunity to win this one. the game was all summed up by that last shot. NOT MEANT TO BE

42
42

I'll stand by Philly as the worst

George
George

Chris Paul is going to be kicking himself after this one. Seven turnovers and missing the game winning shot.

Schmide234
Schmide234

ive never seen a game where the rims, the reffs, and the players made it so the hornets couldnt win. are you kidding me???? why would u take the hardest shot in basketball to win? then take a VERY similar shot to tie? not only that but holy god the reffs called nothing. CP was TACKLED!! i mean wtf. not only all this but ALL of the last shots went down and then came back out. it was ridiculous. how many games can we play where the post game will say "sometimes the shots just dont drop" or "teams dont usually shoot that well" ?!?!?!! i mean cmon I KNOW that NJ doesnt shoot THAT well form 3 pt land. AND they were almost all contested. simply, ridiculous

Just A Fan
Just A Fan

Thank God this genius played Marcus only 5 minutes...so his performance cannot be the blame for this one!

mbdtf
mbdtf

Paul: 4-15 from the field with 0 FT's in 51 minutes. Sorry Chris but we will lose more than not when you can't put up 10 pts in a game where we have 2 injured starters. I know we didn't lose just because of his game, but come on.

peronas
peronas

Official low point of the season... All-star break can't get here soon enough, I don't know that they can win any of the games between now and then...

Just A Fan
Just A Fan

42, "Let’s look at the score at the end if we are going to take scores as the puddings in which the proofs lie", great performances by some, but I'm sorry it wasn't enough. BAD COACHING AGAINST ANOTHER LOSING TEAM!!!! So what flavor pudding do you like? Hey...it was your comment!!!

42
42

Yes it was. I'm glad we agree this is superior. It will lead to better discussion, as opposed to the guys picking on Aaron Gray and his double double

Monty'sDoghouse
Monty'sDoghouse

He'll take some whine and Jack-cheese with that pudding.

PeeDee
PeeDee

its safe to say that this was chris paul worst game in a few year......#shrugs

George
George

I'm going to punch the next person I see

Gec
Gec

THREE FUCKIN IN-AND-OUT in the clutch omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mbdtf
mbdtf

really chris

mbdtf
mbdtf

5 SECOND CALLL HA!

mbdtf
mbdtf

WOW PAUL GOT NAILED

George
George

Why did Monty just take Marco out?